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[quote author=Weah96 post=29816240]Does God exist is a meaningless question. God is not a monophyletic grouping.

Well, the majority of people on earth think he is.

And this..

OK, maybe it's only me thinking it,....

Is where your answer lies.

If you can not convince them that their so called God looks something other than a human, there is no point being angry with them.

jayriginal:
Fair enough.

However . . .



You talk about evidence and the OP. You agree with the OP that there is scientific evidence that God exists yet you also state (just like the OP) that God is beyond experiments. You do not see the glaring contradiction therein?

Leave off any talk of what you believe I truly crave for; you dont know me. Kindly address the issues!

My proposition is this: If you say something is beyond scientific experimentation, then you cannot speak of scientific proof for that thing.

The op never said the 'existence of God' is beyond scientific experimentation, it said that 'God' is beyond scientific experimentation.

Hunters that go into the bush to hunt down preys usually go in search of paths that these animals may have followed. These paths are usually lined up with broken plant branches and waste dropping. The waste dropping are a favorite tracking material for these hunters because it not only enables them assess the distance of their target from them, it also helps them to know the type and average age of their target by its composition and color. When the hunters see these droppings, they know that the target is there. They have not seen the it, they have not caught it and so they have not been able to analyse it. Here this, they may not see it or catch it eventually, but the evidence says it is there.

The hunters analyse the evidence to find their target and not the other way around.
So it will be a bit naïve to say because you can't or are unable to experiment on a thing, that things existence can not be analysed or experimented on.

Please note that there are other issues with the OP. I'm bringing up the most obvious and if that is beyond you or anyone else, then it is needless even having a discussion on this. When people start looking for evidence/scientific proof/logic in matters that claim validation from faith alone, they run into conundrums such as this.

The proof for the existence of God does not claim faith alone. I have not come across any religion or faith that propagates that. Let there not be a confusion between knowing who/what God is and knowing if He exists at all.

Weah96:
Whether there is a God or not is inconsequential. We've been through that numerous times here in this section. God is a meaningless term unless it is first defined. Some people consider the Big Bang event to be what God is. And that's their problem, not mine. I call the big bang by its name, Big Bang. As long as the God doesn't talk, we're good.

The OP is talking about the existence of God. That's a meaningless OP. He doesn't define the meaning of the word God, so he's only deceiving himself. And maybe you.

Then you should write up a post that explains why and how the existence of God is meaningless in a world so searching for meaning. It could help a lot people out there in search of an end to this matter.

jayriginal:
You mean like titling his article "Scientific Proof That God Exists" and then in same article stating that God is beyond human experiments?

How do you reconcile that?

I know for sure that something exists out there sending this information and asking this questions. That thing may well be a human being or an intelligent robot analysing my words and thoughts and then sending back the most intelligent response that it can. I can only best presume that you are human, but I will be well justified if I still doubt your true nature. what ever you may be, that undeniable evidence is still before me that something out there is quoting and replying my posts. Now, the only way I can find out your true nature is to find another medium to reach you. You may decide we speak on phone or we meet one on one, but that would be your personal choice. I am sure you will not argue with me that speaking with me on the phone is a fairly good and even easier way to convince me that you are human.

As your posts prove you exist so does scientific evidence (as indicated by the op) prove that God exists. If you want to find out the nature of God, you have to find another medium to reach him. Your material world and your material science can only operate as far and as wide as the boundaries of space and time which are themselves material and there fore finite.

So, yes science can prove the existence of God but can not experiment on God and so there fore can not explain God. You can not put Him on your lab tables and cut Him into parts. I believe this is what you truly crave for. Sorry, He has not given you that power.

The op talks about the existence of God, if you want to know if he exists, follow the evidence. If you want to know God, that is irrelevant here.

DieeDiee:
Did the bible fall from the sky? Did God climb down and give you the "facts" or were the so called "facts" claims by man?

You assume that I have said those men's claims are wrong. You err. Those men were flesh and bones just like you. Be they wrong or right, they have made claims because they too had believed while others had known, you either choose to believe or you choose to follow the evidence.

Weah96:
Why are you speaking in riddles?

Your saying I speak in riddles gives me the impression that what you seek is a debate rather than knowledge.

The men that have made claims themselves heard and believed and some others followed the evidence further until they came to the fullness of truth. So, if you want a debate, I'm sorry, if you want to believe, listen to the ones who make claims, if you want to know, follow the evidence. The op gives you evidence.

Weah96:
...then which language does God use to communicate?

The language that you understand.

DieeDiee:
Soooo Peter, John, Matthew et al were born of steel? Bible was put together by man. Man made all those claims that God was there before existence therefore you have just cancelled out your own argument.

Men will make claims, God will give facts. Follow the evidence.

davien:
Okay...And you know this how?

The op says so.

DieeDiee:
If God can just exist what's not to say matter could have also just existed or even the universe and all in it. Who's to say the was something before existence?

No one born of flesh has the right to tell you there was something before existence,
Just Follow the evidence.

Weah96:
Got it. So let's get to the talking part. Who did this something we call "God" talk to? It's easy to agree that God exists, if God is defined as whatever precipitated the formation of the universe. Everyone knows that the universe has a beginning. You wanna call it God, fine.

But who did the beginning speak to? That's the foundation of all religions, the talking beginning/God. What have you seen in life which makes you believe that the beginning of the universe is a humanoid being that speaks English?

The universe is the world you see and experience with your material instruments, so we can't for certain call it God. It has a beginning and may as well have an ending, so we can't call it God as He is conventionally defined/described.

I do not know who God spoke to. He may have been speaking to His creatures or other kinds like Him.

It would be fairly basic to want to assume a creator of such magnificence such as the universe would look and talk like human, humans being the closest example/model to adopt for an image of God that man has not seen, but claim to have heard.

The bible was not originally written in English and it was never stated the language God spoke in.

TheIndustrialist:
That is one big question I have had lately.

If everything emerged from a singularity , then where comes the singularity ?
If you don't wanna believe the world started on its own, how then do you expect others to believe that God started on his own ?

If you seek to reconcile both THOUGHTS , then the universe or existence itself is GOD.

The op is not saying God 'started' on His own, it is saying God as non-material being never started at any point in time. He has always been.

ooman2:
Material effects require material causes.

So a god, which is not material, cannot influence material medium.

Has this been proven?

davien:
truthman2012
You've said nothing comes from nothing then how come "god" is a something that comes from nothing....don't those points contradict?

The op did not say God came from nothing. It said God has always existed, which means 'a state nothingness' has never existed. There has always been something and that something, who/what ever it is, is God.

Banuso99:
They actually attacked Kolafata Army Base this morning killing a soldier(Onana Balla) in the process but chased away later on.All seems calm now.

Are you a Cameroonian

gbounty:
Honestly, I love these Jonah change report pictures but to me it isn't complete without those that would show us how the loot and embezzlement were taking place at all levels...

Are you sure change is what you seek or you just want someone to throw a burning tire on?

If change is what you truly seek, change started some few years ago. If you just want to join the mob to scream for tires and a match, just as was done for those ALUU4 boys , make well to save a piece of that tire for your own sins as well.

NOTE
I though stand strongly by this; who or whatever the people want, they should be allowed to have and nothing or no one else should be forced on them. If the people want GMB, GEJ should not be forced on them. If the people want GEJ, GMB should not be forced on them. This is Dewz's political stance.

Good for them.

Shewaukpo:
there is no need to lie or sugar coat things. D president is not serious about corruption. a lot of politicians are very corrupt but he defends them.

why? may i ask? Nigerians dont care if he is personally good or not, what we want is action and for corruption to be eradicated in Nigeria

Have you eradicated corruption in yourself?

tejpot:
....CHANGE is tantamount to a new Nigeria.

You call Buhari a "New" Nigeria?

NOTE
I though stand strongly by this; who or whatever the people want, they should be allowed to have and nothing or no one else should be forced on them. If the people want GMB, GEJ should not be forced on them. If the people want GEJ, GMB should not be forced on them. This is Dewz's political stance.

And how where you able to come to that assertion, after the fact that the contribution of men and women in politics section is about 5 to 1 in ratio.

toyetade:
.... A sinner must be punished

No! 'Sin' must be punished.

9icetoo:
U forgot to add "turning off ignition on slopes to save fuel".

They do this a lot in ogbomoso, Abeokuta and Ibadan.

NgeneUkwenu:
So in your warp mind, foreigners lives are more valued than his own people in which he swore to protect? Jonathanians eh! Smh!

I would like to believe that a visitor you have welcomed into your house would/should be given priority attention over others for as long as the visit lasts. I know it is a traditional and as well a moral practice.

LFJ:
All these stories just because he failed to support an incompetent president. Your case is more pathetic than the case of Amachi. We know who Amachi is and we can see what he has achieved. Who are you? Tell us what you have achieve?
It is not a crime to aim high, that Amaechi aim to become Nigeria president is not a crime. He has right to it the same way others like Tinubu, Saraki, Tabuwa, and many others who sacrifice their ambition for the betterment of their party.

right is not the only thing a person needs to be president, he needs wisdom too.

This should be on front page. Moderator.

neupert:
Good morning, today is going to be a blessed day.............

I need an hp probook 4530s laptop battery. How much is it and how do I get to your office from under bridge in ikeja.

I don't quite like the new youtube interface. I see just one video on screen, no options for other similar videos, no thumbnail preview. Pls how do I go about reverting to the former view? I use opera mini on BB 9780.

So really, which petrol station does boko haram use? The tbaba1234 did not say, the salkida guy did not say. I think this question is more important than how they get their weapons.

This write up is based on the assumption that these e-supporters are just innocent and naïve people being used. The reality is that most of them are as selfish and greedy as the politicians they support, if not more.

Dahkogrin007:
and we av not had power supply in my area for over 3mnths....#oke ose,Ilorin kwara state

the problem is close to you, ask questions in your area.

adeshina86:
Fg sabi deciv demsef, d worst lie of d highest oda

you dey work for phcn?