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efforts must be made to capture,procecute and for once,jail these so called 'highly influential people'...its a 'pitiable dismal-pis-ma' and 'regrettably lugubrious'....

Mcdondayan: Good day brothers and sisters in the lord. I have been pondering over this issue, and have asked some questions about it.
The bible tells us to give one tenth of our proceed to the lord and there are many promises attached to it. But if we look around us there are many poor people around us.
I have asked this same question to a clergy man and he said it is nt wrong because God is also in the poor. So i want to bring the same question to NL christains (not the brainwashed ones) who have proper reason to clear my doubt. IS IT WRONG TO GIVE OUR TITHE TO THE POOR?

Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches tithing is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent, not the 10 percent which is generally considered the tithe amount today. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system. The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches tithing is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent, not the 10 percent which is generally considered the tithe amount today. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system. The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

tellwisdom: Oga sir, I don't need to read papers to cop my facts...if that is only ur source of news/information(s). I'm sorry, you are as good as dead.

its obvious that there is no point having a wise discussion with you...please pass..let me talk to better people who can reason better and comprehend simple words...

tellwisdom: Now, whats your proof, if those guys were actually robbers or not, since we don't have them alive to defend the said accusations levelled against them?? - Btwn, you sounded like it was ur china phone and laptop they stole

Except you don't live in nigeria or you havent been reading the papers recently or this year....infact,the most recent case was the one involving a former governor of delta state,after he was acquitted by the court here in nigeria,he went to relax in uk only to be charged by the same crimes that the law court in nigeria freed him from...what about farouk lawan or the former speaker of the national assembly...the list is endless....you have top politicians that have committed heinous crimes freely moving about(even with police bodyguards )
i repeat the reason for this mayhem is the complete fall of our legal and security system...when that is addressed,i dont think anyone will steal my supposed china fone or laptop(the one you carry your hand buy for me ) like you rightly observed abi??

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Seems you are also in support of violence. Will beheading the elders bring the boys back? Smh. . .

Now what makes you different from the mob that killed the boys? Aren't you as guilty as they are? Let the law take its course. Taking law into your own hands never does anyone good. Or is one example not enough?

Revenge is a vicious cycle.
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@sexkills,which law or legal system are you talking about??
the one in nigeria or outside nigeria?
the law that frees criminals of crimes that they actually committed??
in as much as i am not and will never be in support of jungle justice,i think we must really focus on the main reason it has gotten to this state....where people or individuals take law into their hands...it is as a result of the collapse in our security and legal systems..when our security and legal system is addressed,then our society will start having belief in the law and our security personnel.....

THE REASON WHY NIGERIA IS IN THIS STATE IS DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF OUR SECURITY AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM...WHEN THESE SECTORS ARE LEFT UNATTENDED BY OUR LEADERS,ANARCHY AND BARBARISM IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY..PEOPLE TAKE UP ARMS AND PROTECT THEIR SELVES...ITS AS A RESULT OF NEGLECT THAT HAS RESULTED TO ALL THESE...WE MUST TRY TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE AND INSIST ON ENFORCING OUR LEGAL AND SECURITY SYSTEM....

ItsModella: You are a fuccked up human being. Do you understand me? Listen to yourself; Brutality is a function this civilisation today. I will ignore that gbagaun and comment on the content. I don't think you even know the level of your stupidity. I guess brutality is the reason why Nigeria is at the low level it is today. This is the reason why Nigeria is backward; because of the archaic and barbaric actions that are applauded. You encourage such actions and that makes you barbaric. You are also a barbaric person for this ignorant comment of yours. Actually, you are bloody cretin..bastarrd.

MAY I SLIGHTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE BOLDENED COMMENT YOU MADE!!!
THE REASON WHY NIGERIA IS IN THIS STATE IS DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF OUR SECURITY AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM...WHEN THESE SECTOR ARE LEFT UNATTENDED BY OUR LEADERS,ANARCHY AND BARBARISM IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY..PEOPLE TAKE UP ARMS AND PROTECT THEIR SELVES...ITS AS A RESULT OF NEGLECT THAT HAS RESULTED TO ALL THESE...WE MUST TRY TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE AND INSIST ON ENFORCING OUR LEGAL AND SECURITY SYSTEM....

I HAVE BEEN READING SO MANY INTERESTING AND OUTRAGEOUS POSTS ON THIS TOPIC...AND 4 ME,I CANT SAY WAT THE COMMUNITY YOUTHS OF ALUU DID IS JUSTIFIED,BUT I CAN ALSO ARGUE THAT JUSTICE WAS INDIRECTLY GIVEN TO THOSE ROBBERS OR CULTISTS,THOUGH,IN AN UNORTHODOX WAY...WE LEAVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE SECURITY SYSTEM IS TOTALLY DOWN...BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU,IF THESE SAME GUYS WHERE GIVEN TO THE POLICE,THESE SAME THIEVES OR CULTISTS WILL PAY THEIR WAY OUT AND KILL WHO EVER DID SUCH THING TO THEM..THAT IS HOW UNSECURED WE CAN BE...THE TRUTH REMAINS THAT JUNGLE JUSTICE WILL ALWAYS HAVE ITS WAY IN OUR SOCIETY UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT REALIZES ITS DUTY TO ITS CITIZENS.WHEN THE PEOPLE DON'T GET JUSTICE OR THE RIGHT THINGS ARE NOT DONE TO ARREST,PROSECUTE AND JAIL THESE ROGUES,THERE WILL BE ANGER,AND WITH ANGER COMES ANARCHY AND THE REST IS HISTORY..WHO KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS NIGERIA,WHERE ROBBERS WRECK HAVOC AND THE POLICE TURN THE OTHER WAY...WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE 'HUNTED' BECOMES THE 'HUNTER'....YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE!!!!!!!

InvertedHammer: The good things about the churches---the MOGs preach, the audience listens...At the end, it is listeners' discretion to stay.

So, there is no qualms

BRILLIANT...ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT....YOU DESERVE A THUMBS UP!!!!!

Pacify: And please stop shouting at us! (Writing in caps), probably you shout at her too!

cant seem to understand wat you mean..cud u explain..??

I HAVE A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH MY GIRLFRIEND...APART FROM THE USUAL CLICHE LIKE,'HOW ARE U?',OR 'HOW WAS YOUR DAY?',WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED MUCH,LIKE HER PRESENTING AN ISSUE OR MAKING UP DISCUSSIONS...YES I DO KNOW THAT THE GUY,SOMETIMES HAS TO START UP CONVERSATION,BUT SHE CAN ALSO DO LIKEWISE...
IT HAS GONE FOR SO LONG THAT,TALKING TO HER ON PHONE CAN BE QUITE BORING OR FRUSTRATING BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO OFFER ANY MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION TO SPICE UP THE RELATIONSHIP....I LOVE HER AND SHE ALSO LOVES ME BUT THIS ASPECT IS REALLY NOT CHEERING AT ALL...AND ANOTHER ISSUE OF HERS IS THAT SHE TAKES LITTLE THINGS FOR GRANTED....
PLEASE MY DEAR COLLEAGUES ON NAIRALAND...WHAT CAN BE THE POSSIBLE PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS...PLEASE YOUR WISE SUGGESTIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED..THANK YOU.