cloudstar: diarra94



It's a simple question but you are ignoring it. Let me put it another way. If you helped a hadicap elderly man in a wheel chair to get into the grocery store because he couldn't get in by himself. You felt good that you did something decent. You went home and on the breaking news, said that there was a mass shooting and killing at that grocery store. The elderly man you had helped was the culprit - he was angry and upset at the world for "taking" his wife away from him.

My question to you is this - "If you knew 110% what that man was going to do before you helped him, would you have helped him?"



No one is claiming that Atheist don't have a conscience of can't be morally good people



Another evolutionist - . I am more interested in how we came from fish? Can you prove the missing link - how we humans came from a tapole or a toad or some fish that lived 500 million years ago? Can you tell me at what point, we started changing? In what year did we loose our fins and became snakes. How about the missing link showing how we turned from snakes to monkeys - perhaps your "science" can prove that - I dey wait

wow now I get it, you do not understand evolution at all. there is no point at which we started changing, we have always been changing and we will always be changing. this doesn't occur in a day or a year or a 1000 years but over millions of years. we are made of living cells, they always mutate and change in complexity. in fact evolution is evident in humans, after separating for just a few hundred thousand years, why do you find different races on every continent, because we have adapted to our environment. explain race to me with biblical scriptures. explain to me how the bible does not speak of dinosaurs when their bones are found on every continent and how humans survived the dinosaurs. and what about the meteor that hit the earth??

mindurbiznes:



These questionsof yours can best be described as a spark of longing forTruth within you whether you realise it or not; it will leave you restless until YOU strive to findthe answers!

The Bible is but a compilation of 66 books, some more than 66 (GnB).

It is not a book written by Christ though!

Each Book of the Bible stands on its own!

Some speak of the history of a particular peoples (eg Jews), some poetry of physical love like Songs of Solomon...

The Book of Revelation for instance, when it ended by saying no one should ADD OR REMOVE from this book, was referring only to the Book of the Revelation of John!


The Book of Genesis (Creation, Adam and Eve story) like the Book of Revelation was rendered in pictorial form using symbols for a purpose


We're lucky to have the Bible in the sense that we are opportuned to read various Scriptural Collections in a book.


But it cannot be said to be a complete whole in itself.


If you are opportuned to read other spiritually inspired books,as a Truth seekers... do read them.


It's said the book was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but how about its compilation? Other books not compiled may have been inspired.

I love the Bible but not in an EXCLUSIVE sense. I read other books too.




Zoraster in Iran
Lao-Tse in China
Buddha in India
Mohammed in Arabia...

Their teachings were at one time willed by God, precisely adapted to the individual peoples and countries and in complete accord with their actual spiritual maturity and receptivity at the time.


But in the course of thousands of years, MEN always, as they still do today, distorted every teaching in order to adapt it to their human way of thinking and their earthly desires. ... if not there would now be only ONE UNIFORM teaching here on earth, there would be no differences in the interpretations. .


Something about forgiveness you should know is IT IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD TO FORGIVE, the offender is on his own... Go investigate!

On earth science and spiritually knowledge complement each other ok. Leave religion first; it's but a means(invented by man, probably to preserve the spiritual aspect of earth life) to an end But when you regard earthly wisdom as Divine and worship it then you become one sided and cut off from the Source of All Life-that translates to Death in its truest meaning. .Not physical death which is but a transition- In the Story of Adam and Eve it's symbol is like:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


I wish you strength in your quest for answers, Truth and Life.

stop trolling dude

chitokwe:

You stand a chance of not loosing Anything if u believe in GOD. BUT if ur Wrong, ur really in BIG TROUBLE!!!

I get the dilemma. but you see if god really exists you wouldn't have to talk me into Christianity. Apart from biblical scriptures nothing else supports the existence of god.

Kizmarty:


religion has never been a threat but the mindset of its believers..
wrong understanding nd notions is responsible for what's going on worldwide..

you should change ur mindset too

and I have changed my mindset. to appreciate the truth and not just accept a concept that has never yielded results. other than the bible, show me where and how religion has benefited our existence?

Kizmarty:



if acquiring knowledge will lead to this..i rather be an illiterate..




seem you've read too much of dan Brown's...

I don't mean to be rude but your level of reasoning suggest you're already an illiterate. why were people killing each other during the era of Christianity in Europe. rather than development and all the nice promises in the bible, Europe was ravaged by disease, and so many challenges. scientist s and astronomers such as Galileo Galilei faced so much opposition from the church and priest especially when he brought forward the idea that the earth revolves around the sun. the church was furious and back then anyone who opposes the church was executed immediately?? religion reduced people to animals. until the dawn of science, plagues, viral and bacterial diseases killed most people?? where exactly was god??. now with science we are able to understand all phenomenas and laws that keep our world in motion. you know for people who have been seriously brainwashed, it is not easy to accept the harsh reality that infact there is no guy in the sky who loves you and will wipe your azz, but don't worry, I was once just like you full of faith until one day it dawned on me how stupid I had been all this while.

Kizmarty:


isn't the cosmos,nature nd the order of universe?
even your complicated body nd cells enough reason to believe there is a major architect responsible for all these??

God lives nd exist

life began as a unicellular organism in the ocean which grew more complex over millions of years. lemme ask you why do we have different races on every continent? do you think that is a coincidence? why is the whole world not 1 religion? why did god not begin the world with religion from the very day he created Adam and eve? why did god in all his power and glory not rid the garden of any evil to prevent any future problems? why did god punish Adam and eve even when he knew they will eat the apple? why did Jesus had to plead god to forgive mankind for they do not know what they do?? isn't he all knowing??

maskid:


oga , if u really evolved from apes why hasnt evolution transformed you and your family into something else yet? abi na for homo sapiens e stop?? evolution shuld be continuos dnt u think? stop decieving urself.

why do many people find it hard to believe we came from apes. well evolution doesn't occur in a 100 or 1000 years, it occurs in millions of years. it is as a result of mutations in our cells which results in changes in our interaction with our environment. who said evolution has stopped? homo sapiens is our current phase in evolution and it will continue as much as life exist. why do you find different races of humans on different continents?? that is not a coincidence, after humans separated for just a few hundred years you can see how much our environment has changed us. why is the elephant found in Africa and India and not Europe and why was the wholly mammoth only found around the poles before they were extinct. my brother open your eyes, understand the complexlities in our world. do not be blinded and made stupid by kiddy tales in the bible.

Kizmarty: i hope the atheists saw the psalms 14 &53
"the fool has said on his heart...there's no God above!.......




quoted those psalms in my breviary for 6yrs in d seminary..


any time i see a reason to doubt His existence, i remember this again....







y'all have got enough time to turn from your way of thinking about God..He never asked u to be a Christian nor muslim but just Believe hope obey nd trust him...





greatest offence you'll commit is to keep denying nd rufusing to believe God does exist..

His not ours..we can't study nor understand...
Awesome God indeed


nice thread op

Happy sunday

that exactly what the people who wrote the bible want you to think. why can't god be studied or understood, then what is the bible for? we have complex brains capable of understanding every phenomena on our planet. why is god any different?? you wont jump into fire, why? because you know and understand the consequences, so why cant i understand god??give me 1 proof that god exist and I will be a christian right now.

cloudstar:

Any Christian that ignores any passage of the Bible no matter how difficult it is doesn't know their history or is simply ignorant. You question can be answered several ways. Before I do, I am aware that there are people (maybe yourself) that might take exceptions to what I have to say.

God didn’t confine His wrath to the Canaanites only. He proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity. We will all die because we have broken God’s Law. Every one of us is waiting on death row. Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God. We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment. Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to.

Moving forward, I will propose a question to you before doing justice to it. Here is my question - "If you were alive during the birth of Adolf Hitler and knew 110% that he would kill millions of innocent people and cause calamity on a global scale - what would you do?"

To answer your question, we have to refer to the Bible and the context of these events. Here is what the Bible said about the Israelites:

"It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Deuteronomy 9:5)

Okay, how "wicked" could those people have been? How about killing their own sons and daughters by burning them in sacrifices to their gods.

"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:31)

Let us look at the character of God. Did God kill any innocent people along with the evil ones? When God was about to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the cities if there were 50 righteous people in them. God said no. Then Abraham asked the same question if there were 45 righteous people. Every time he dropped the number and got the same answer. The fact is that God would not have destroyed those cities if there were any righteous people in them. The few righteous who were in those cities He warned ahead of time to get out.So, God does not destroy the righteous along with the evil - Please keep in mind the question I asked you about Adolf Hitler.

The Christian concept of God is that He can't and will not stand sin in any form. Just the way a judge would pass judgement for crime is the same way God passes judgement for sin. If critics like you would take the time to study the Bible and make an honest evaluation of the principles of God’s justice, wrath, and love, he would see the perfect and harmonious interplay between them. God’s vengeance is not like the impulsive, irrational, emotional outbursts of pagan deities or human beings. He is infinite in all His attributes and thus perfect in justice, love, and anger. Just as God’s ultimate and final condemnation of sinners to eternal punishment will be just and appropriate, so the temporal judgment of wicked people in the Old Testament was ethical and fair. We human beings do not have an accurate handle on the gravity of sin and the deplorable nature of evil and wickedness. Human sentimentality is hardly a qualified measuring stick for divine truth and spiritual reality.

How incredibly ironic that the atheist, the agnostic, the skeptic, and the liberal all attempt to stand in judgment upon the ethical behavior of God when, if one embraces their position, there is no such thing as an absolute, objective, authoritative standard by which to pronounce anything right or wrong. As the French existentialist philosopher, Sartre, admitted: “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist.... Nor...are we provided with any values or commands that could legitimize our behavior” (1961, p. 485). The atheist and agnostic have absolutely no platform on which to stand to make moral or ethical distinctions—except as the result of purely personal taste. The mere fact that they concede the existence of objective evil is an unwitting concession there is a God Who has established an absolute framework of moral judgments.

Those who disagree with God’s annihilation of the wicked in the Old Testament have the same liberal attitude that has come to prevail in America just in the last half century. That attitude has typically opposed capital punishment, as well as the corporal punishment of children. Such people simply cannot see the rightness of evildoers being punished by execution or physical pain. Nevertheless, their view is skewed—and the rest of us are being forced to live with the results of their warped thinking: undisciplined, out-of-control children are wreaking havoc on our society by perpetrating crime to historically, all-time high levels.

Those who reject the ethics of God’s destructive activity in the Old Testament, to be consistent, must reject Jesus and the New Testament. Over and over again, Jesus and the New Testament writers endorsed and defended such activity (e.g., Luke 13:1-9; 12:5; 17:29-32; 10:12; Hebrews 10:26-31). The Bible provides the only logical, sensible, meaningful, consistent explanation regarding the principles of retribution, punishment, and the conditions under which physical life may be extinguished.

This is my 2 cents on the matter

OK now you're just starting to sound ignorant. why should I kill Adolf Hitler when god knowingly created him a recent survey showed that atheist contributed more towards charity than any other faith in america. as humans we all have a conscience and we are subjected to the laws of physics and nature. you people forget that just a few hundred years ago , our ancestors were living in the jungle as savages with no understanding of life and reason. they killed each other as they pleased because humans were not created but evolved from animals and as our brains brains became larger and more complex we started g rasping knowledge about our world. how else would you explain the savage tribes of africa and south Americas if we all supposedly came from Adam and eve who had a concept of life.

Omooba77: Every problem of the World have solutions in the Holy Bible; Luke 1:37,Mark 9:23,John3:3-5,Revelation20:11-15

and yet the most religious countries are the shittiest on the planet. be real bro, religion causes more problems than it can ever resolve

aren't you guys supposed to be praying over the Ebola virus, maybe god will send another son to die for you. bunch of gullible mofos, I hate it when I travel to countries that supposedly started Christianity and nobody even cares about who JC is but then I come to Africa, the mother of sorrow, misery and misfortunes only to find some son of a biitch talking to me about JC like he was his brother. I am not going to say much but Europe was just as shitty as Africa centuries ago when Christianity was the mainstay, but look today, they have moved on to better things but the black fhucking man is just too stupid to see beyond the veil.

cloudstar: alcuin



Stop poking holes in your argument Bros. The context of the story of the towel of babel never stated God was pissed - get your facts straight. Also, the earliest manuscripts of the new testaments are available for anyone interested in investigating if there accounts are historical accurate or not. Fable is Santa Clause and Father Christmas Bros. Fable is BigFoot and the genie in Aladin's lamp.



Your argument is similar to saying "You were born handsome but when you grew up, girls were not attracted to you". You can't argue from unrelated events.



I probably won't. Her spouse Joseph didn't either. The uncertainty was cleared up when an angel appeared to Joseph and explained what happened.



Hahaha - another hole in your argument. You never saw Albert Einstein but it relativity theory is the corner-stone of physics. You never saw Alexander Graham Bell yet he is the inventor of the telephone. You can't and don't see the radio waves that travel through the air and displays on your TV yet it happens.



Are you saying you have never done anything wrong and sincerely felt sorry about what you did and apologized for it?



Please go on Bros

your arguments are completely off. Albert Einstein theory of relativity is practical and can be tested in your presence. radio waves and infrared are spectrums that are invisible to the human eye but yet they can be controlled and transfered and they do exist. why did god even require Mary to conceive Jesus? a bunch of people with limited resources and technology were trying to build a tower to reach heaven and then god confuses them by creating different languages?? really??, this wouldn't even make it in a kids bedtime story. I guess burj khalifa isn't made of sticks and strings that god can easily destroy. why are all religions confined to a certain location? why is the whole world not of one religion? this is due to the fact that everywhere you go on the planet, people have created religions that suite their culture.

kenn100: Wow! Great news...This news is even more comforting now for some reasons:

1: it shows that with God everything is possible (He alone has the final say)...hence let's continue to ask God to help us through prayers.

2: it shows that with or without Zmapp, there is still hope 4 us...if Dr. Anonymous could recover from this deadly viral disease, then it could happen to anyone else and i pray it happens soon enough.

3: i'm not ruling out the fact that this doctor's gene may actually contain the solution (anti-bodies) that could be used on other affected patients...(lets also put that into consideration too).

Finally, the fact remains, there is hope afterall...
To God be the glory!!!
Tonight's gonna be a good night...

Blessed art thow Naija!!!

WTF, what has god got to do with any thing here. for fukk sake treatments were given to this patient to relieve him. what about the dead and the dying in other west African countries. damn its so sad to see how the black man has been brainwashed by lies and fairy tales.

[quote author=adesbreath][/quote] you see that's because society has programmed you to believe there is a god. if you look at the world objectively, you'll realize you've been caged by religion.

you guys should fhucking quit whining, any country that is weary of west African citizens is completely right. after all ebola wouldn't have reached Nigeria if we were a proactive early enough. they are simply protecting their citizens and any sane country would do same.

and with all these, the same god will watch as Ebola destroys west africa. besides what you just did was using scientific evidences to prove gods existence.

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falcons and eaglets always representing nigeria superbly at the international stage. super chickens on the other hand....

adesbreath:


He does dear.... He is always near, He will surely give us rest from this war... and yes God not only cares He loves everyone of us.

including does dying of ebola and bh? countries without any notion of god seem to have it better. they are more peaceful, more advanced, much more satisfied. i dont know of one country solidly built on religion that is prosperous today.

englishmart: is new York in Africa?

the guy who was thought to have the virus tested negative. and even if ebola is found outside africa;
1. the bulk of the infections remain in africa
2. the virus was probably transported to the country by an african.

maclatunji:

You can create another thread if you want Muslim answers to your questions. This thread is not for you to express your confusion about God.

Thank you.

i thought you enlightened people. if it is not a confusion then why not give me an answer?

englishmart: it is not our disease, it's just a disease. We don't own diseases.

i used "our own" here to signify the fact that only west africans are affected by this menace and cases of ebola have never been reported outside africa. we shouldnt wait for help to treat diseases that are ours.

this will be a real test to pharmacist and medical health practitioners in nigeria. we should be able to provide and create medications to treat our own diseases and reduce this over reliance on western medications. this should also encourage the nigerian government to introduce much more modern facilities in our hospitals and in tertiary instutions to ensure students get the maximum training in such fields.

jamilkb:
You Must Be First Class ID.IOT! You Lack Common Sense Though! hahahah

really? what about you who believes in a fictitious being in the sky. you dont need to curse, i taught that was a sin in your religion. give me 1 good reason i should waste my time and put my hopes on a being created by human minds.

jamilkb:
You Must Be First Class ID.IOT! You Lack Common Sense Though! hahahah

really? what about you who believes in a fictitious being in the sky. you dont need to curse, i taught that was a sin in your religion.

maclatunji:

Guy, save yourself the trouble. Whether you choose to worship God or not, it will not keep the world from working nor remove or add anything to his majesty.

When you face God for judgement, I will not have a say because I will be focused on my own reckoning and by his mercy salvation.

Islam is not here to prevent you from getting ill or dying. These are all parts of life or is biology alien to you? If you get sick in paradise you can sue me but here on earth? Brother please.

well, youve sumed it up yourself. i gain nothing from wasting my time worshiping a non existent being in the sky. why should i be judged or punished for what i was meant to do? the life i live now is the exact same life that god envisioned before creating me, so why should he punish me for living life on his planned path.

adesbreath: Am so sad.... please Lord forgive us our sins. may their souls rest in peace... first consultant obalende was where I delivered my babies.. Father pls heal them for me... Am crying to you...

well lets just hope there is a god up there who is listening to your cries because it seems as though lately this god doesnt care

And this is how it all started. As the clueless and motiveless nigerian government and citizens watched in aww, ebola made its way into nigeria and one by one it ravaged the nigerian landscape.
this will be the headlines very soon if strict measures are not imposed.

dbanj is fukking overhyped, my ass sings better.

so this is the famed victoria island, some buildings are on the verge of collapsing. i will not be surprised if ebola spreads like a wildfire in such an environment. many people have been praying online and offline, but it seems the prayers are only bringing this outbreak closer to us. i suggest we forget about prayer and god and just focus on finding the medications to treat the virus or find better ways of isolating infected patients until the virus has no host. people should be advised to take precaution and maintain strict hygiene practices and reduce contact with people and acquaintances. on the bright side, ebola is an example of a natural population check, and these ensure that population is kept in balance which is really important in african societies with too many people. such situations also bring about enlightenment as people will be more cautious.

so this is the famed victoria island, some buildings are on the verge of collapsing. i will not be surprised if ebola spreads like a wildfire in such an environment.

maclatunji:

Islam nor any other thing does not heal the sick, God does via any means he chooses. And if you want to test his will, he could easily place you amongst the dead. It will not cost him anything because he rules over the living and the dead.

Hence, if he gives you guidance and you think you know better, you will obviously experience whatever will be the outcome.

#Hahahahaha

then why should i serve god if he chooses when to heal me. why shouldnt i reciprocate that and choose when to worship him. and you cant seriously tell me nothing else heals the sick. we have seen people on the verge of death get organ transplants, healed of viral and bacterial diseases. i want you to give me 1 single example of a human with infected organs healed by any religion. and if thats the case why are hospitals everywhere including mecca (the holy city itself).