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honourhim:
Diee, billions of people also feel God in their lives, experience his power in their lives in divers ways, seen his works in people's lives and everywhere etc. That some other people have not felt or experienced his presence in their lives cannot nullify his existence as experienced by these billions of people across the globe.

I asked for those experiences in my other post and not a single person (including you) was able to tell me. All people did was regurgitate what they had heard and quote me scriptures. Not a single person was able to testify to being touched by God in an unambiguous way. That you needed help and so-and-so came along and helped you does not prove God's existence and it is an ASSUMPTION that he was sent by God as there is no proof of that it could be just plain coincidence.

truthman2012:
Kindness is not a Being but a behaviour.

But it is still SOMETHING and it is real and observable which is more than can be said for God.

Read only the first few paragraphs of this rubbish. This probably came out of his PR office. Who ever wrote this nonsense doesn't know how to research properly or else they would have lied better and wouldn't have been so obvious. Since when was King Zwelithini powerful? Africa has only one absolute monarch, the last one - King Mswati of Swaziland. He is the only king with real power all the other kings' powers are limited and they are bound to laws like any other citizen. And since when was King Zwelithini the king of SA? He is Zulu which means he is only king to Zulu people. SA has many tribes each with its own kings, queens and chiefs who preside over their people and land only. I only read that far as I can just see the rest of this pathetic advertorial is just going to continue with utter rubbish.

timonski:
is that woman a jew?

Please learn to read first before jumping in. Go back and follow the conversation. There is no woman.

timonski:
u have already read the content of that page, don't pretend. MR KNOW ALL, you insulted me saying i should get a refund from my alma mata. Now, tell me, who is the dunce? How can an atheist know nothing about science and logical reasoning? This is shameful!

I did not read anything. Read that link, it doesn't exactly require a rocket scientist to deduce it has absolutely nothing to do with what the rest of us are talking about. And I don't remember ever calling myself atheist or even using that word till now.

truthman2012:
God is beyond human experiments. He is invisible as even you cannot see your own spirit

What in your knowledge caused the universe as nothing can cause something.

Many things are beyond experiment yet their existence can be prove. For example, kindness. It cannot be experimented but we know for a fact it exists because we can observe it and we can feel it.

truthman2012:
Evil is an action and not a creation. People act evil when God is not in their lives.

You create action, action doesn't just happen. God Himself practiced evil actions. Was it not evil of Him to annihilate innocent children and animals when He destroyed Sodom and Gomora. Is not evil of Him to allow suffering to happen? People of faith are also evil, evil is not kept aside for certain people. Is it not evil of the faithful to name call, judge and curse those different from them? History is mired with examples of christians attacking the innocent even though they weren't provoked and their excuse is that they are doing God's bidding.

They were heathens because they did not hear about God. God has a programme for every race and generation. When it was time for Africa, Assia, etc., the Gospel got to them. And for those ancestors who did not hear the gospel, God made a provision for them too. When Jesus died, the bible says : For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead (I Peter 6). Our ancestors also had the opportunity to hear the gospel even in their graves. Congratulations to those of them who believed it.

Again, hearsay. Not a single human being can claim they know for a fact what happens when one dies. Peter was just guessing (if there even was a Peter). Why was is not time for Africans know the gospel? What difference does it make if they learned it in 2020 or in 1689 or in 7BC? If they had learned in 2BC would the sky have fallen?

I do not believe in Catholic faith in the first place. They worship Mary contrary to the bible. There is nowhere Jesus said his mother should be worshiped. Then, was she poor because she was going to church? NO. She would have been poor the same if she was an atheist. That somebody is righteous is not a condition for being rich. Lazarus was a VERY poor man but yet recognized by God, while the rich man's name was not recognized in heaven (Luke 16:20-25) They call him rich man and not his name because his name is not in the Book of Life. This is not a parable, it was a reality.

It is not about what you believe. Catholics are christians. A priest is someone who as dedicated his life to God. You claimed people who practice evil deeds are people who do not know God. I cannot think of anyone who knows (or should know) God better than a priest.
I never said because she goes to church she must be rich. You said bad things happen to people who do not know God and basically deserve it. My example is about a woman who is devoted to God
(ie knows God) and has bad things happen to her over and over again. She prays listlessly yet God doesn't answer a single prayer instead more misfortune befalls her. My question to you was - because God allows this to happen does that mean she deserves it? The question has nothing to do with riches or poverty instead it's about hardship.

timonski:
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/science/inquiring/matter/ airhead

1) What is this? What is your point? What does it have to do with me saying okay? I'm not going to open anything without knowing why.
2) In case you haven't noticed the conversation has moved on please keep up and do not deviate us.

truthman2012:
Coming to answer you @ DieeDiee, my batery is low, expecting power to be restored.

Lol, okay

truthman2012:
@ DieeDiee

Atrocities committed by man cannot be blamed on God as you have claimed. Atrocities could be summarized as 'evil'. Evil is the absence of God just as darkness is absence of light.

Who's fault is it that He is absent when He remains to hide Himself? When He hid Himself from the rest of the world for thousands of years? No. Stop trying to tie up things that don't tie up. Evil does not mean absence of God.
1) Dictionary definition:
evil - /ˈiːv(ə)l,-vɪl/
adjective
1. profoundly immoral and wicked.
2. (of a smell or sight) extremely
unpleasant.
noun
1. profound immorality and wickedness,
especially when regarded as a
supernatural force.

2) Earlier you said nothing can create something. If there is absence there is nothing because absence means "not there". Meaning if evil is the absence of God then evil is nothing because nothing can create something but that is faulty as we KNOW evil is something because we WITNESS it meaning then to define evil as the absence of God is untrue, faulty and misleading because according to you only God can create something out of nothing (He created Himself out of nothing) meaning only God can create evil. But for Him to create He not only has to be there but He is aware of His creation and is doing it with full consciousness. Therefore evil is not the absence of God but the conscious creation of God.

If man decides not to obey God and lack His presence despite His general invitation, then he (man) should be held liable to whatever happens.

1) What invitation is that when He "allowed" our ancestors, for example, to be "heathen" for centuries? If He was fine with that for centuries on end is it not then reasonable for us to see no wrong in our "heathen" ways? He was okay with them before, why not now?



2) What do you have to say about that poor mama who wakes up every morning, stands in the street corner at the mercy of the heavens, selling her wares for pitiless pennies tirelessly day after day trying to feed her 8 children whom she is raising alone because the husband that used to beat her night after night decided to get himself a new wife, leaving this poor woman and her children homeless and penniless. Now this woman who regardless of the weather goes to church to worship God, regardless how tired she is will pray before she gets into bed and first thing when she wakes up. She prays for God to help her and her children to not get kicked out of the room she can't afford to rent. She not only gets kicked out but her children are bullied and made fun of because they are so poor. One of her children is sickly, another is disabled and another had been raped by an uncle that had promised to take care of her. Has this woman not accepted God's invitation? Is she liable for what is happening to her - prayer after prayer?

Of all the atrocities you highlighted, you cannot find any committed by God's people, I mean the born-again. They were committed by people who do not know God.

You should take your nose out of the bible sometimes and experience the world with us. Who doesn't know about the worldwide cases of child molestation by Catholic priests? That man or woman who sits next to you every Sunday, prays the loudest and is always the first one to faint - you don't know what he or she is up to Monday to Saturday.

God cannot give every continent their own prophets as it will mean repitition of His messages.

So He'd much rather they live in darkness so that He can punish them for their lack of knowledge? There are only 7 continents in the world. How many "prophets" did He send the Israelites? Did those prophets not repeat the same message? Besides what's wrong with repetition if the message is important and of truth?

honourhim:
The world is a combination of good and bad and this appears to be how God wants it. This leads back to what i said earlier on about his concept for creation- to make manifest his characteristics.
Thi.ngs that happen in life happen because he allowed it. See what he allowed Jesus to pass through on earth because its his concept for the redemption plan. His love for Jesus didnt make him to stop him(Jesus) from fulfilling his(God's) concept for our redemption.

As for the one you talked about taking him 50 billion years to set things right, its not so. if you follow his plan for this world in tbe bible you ll see that theres nothing in his plan that shows that this world will get better rather it ll be getting worse until the last day when he ll wipe out this present earth and heaven and create a new perfect one

Obviously there is nothing we can do to manouvre God than to make ourselves fit into the good side of his eternal plan. Hating him and telling ourselves that he does not exist is never a solution. God is bigger and greater than us beyond measure.
This is my opinion sweetheart. The choice remains yours.

That is the point! If He is so loving and caring of His creations why does He allow atrocities to happen to them? How can He sit back and cooly watch an innocent, young girl get kidnapped, raped and be forcefully married off to a Boko Haram soldier? How can he sit back and watch a young 4 year old malnourished child with sores, broken skin and sorry for an excuse scraps of dirty cloth for clothing cry as it scourers the floor in search for food? How does he sit back and watch a 6 year old child go down on its knees and open its mouth so that "uncle/grandpa/daddy" can pleasure himself? Is the Boko Haram soldier one of the faces of God? Is a 60 year old man sexually abusing a child a manifestation of God's characteristic? Wow, I'd much rather be heathen and go to hell as it cannot worse than this. You and your God cannot use sin as an excuse. What was He expecting if He failed to give Africans, Asians etc. their own Moses, Abram, Noah and company. He never sent Jesus to them so how can He turn around now and claim it is punishment for their heathen past when He had sat back century after century watching these nations practice their believe, even BLESSING them with riches and abundance! Lastly, my question remains: why does He need 50 billions years to execute His plan, why not now?

Ps: I don't hate God how can I hate something that does not exist? Besides, hate is such a waste of emotion.

truthman2012:
No. The word 'psychic' has to do with occulticism, the congregation of satanists. I'm a child of God.

No you are a child of your mother and father. Had they not lain together you wouldn't be here.

Other beliefs have their own explanations for premonitions eg, it could have been your ancestors or you have a psychic gift. Psychic abilities have nothing to do with satanists many cultures (which are not satanic) believe there are those among them with special gifts of talking to the spirits.

Here's something for you to think about: in this vast world of many nations and culture why do a majority of them (with some discrepancies) have somewhat very similar spiritual beliefs. Does the fact that someone from a remote village in Africa have somewhat similar beliefs with someone in the deep jungles of the Amazon not make you wonder if maybe there is some truth in their beliefs if people of such vast distance can share similarities?

truthman2012:
I saw them on TV.

So if you can tell what a lion and elephant is without ever having seen one live what makes you think that although I've never seen a live chicken I don't known what a chicken is? I even know there are different types of chicken with different kinds of meat.

truthman2012:
Apart from the bible, I have had many dreams coming true.

Then you must be psychic.

truthman2012:
Ok. But since you have not seen life chicken before, how did you identify it was chicken?

If you were a Christian, seeing chicken in the dream could have a meaning: either you are enjoined to stop eating it for some time or rear it as a business. But if you are not certain of what it means, you have to pray for clearer revelation.

Do you know what a lion or elephant looks like? Have you ever seen a real life elephant or lion? How do you identify it's a lion or elephant?

truthman2012:
Whether your dreams will come true or not depends on the type of spirit that dwells inside of you. Solomon, Joseph and many others dreamt and they came true. God do send messages to people in dream. If you don't have God, your dream may be seeing chicken, rats, snake etc

3 years ago I dreamed of getting into a car and driving myself to hospital where I gave birth. (I don't have any children by the way) Does this dream also mean I don't have God?

truthman2012:
How can you tell this type of lie. Born in the city and never have seen chicken before, even if you are 2 years old. Don't you see them on the street on Christmas day?

I don't live in Nigeria where I live in the city we don't rear chickens we get them frozen in the store already dead

truthman2012:
Did you think of chicken before you slept? Maybe you keep poultery.

People dream of future events and they come true.

Born and raised in the city never seen a live chicken in real life in my life (or have no memory) and I don't particularly like chicken

truthman2012:
Your afterthought carries you to a place different from where your body is? People dream of what happens in the future, they never have idea of talkless of thinking about it.

I once dreamed of a chicken knocking on my door ... If dreams are the future I'm still waiting for that chicken to come knocking at my door

honourhim:
Not for his amusement but to manifest his person I think.

e.g.His wrath cannot manifest without the negatives.
His mercy cannot manifest without the negatives etc.

He sees the end from the beginning and in the light of this, one may say he knew things will go this way. For him to have gone ahead to create may mean that that's how he wants it (my views and I may be wrong).

Well! Judging from the world He guessed wrong unless this horrible world is His way which goes back to my earlier statement that God isn't so loving after all. If you are going to talk about His timing blah blah then my question to you is if God is really powerful why does He need 50 billion years to set things right?

malvisguy212:
what denominations are you?

Mushroomnite

malvisguy212:
what the use of giving you a proof that you will still disagree? How many times atheists ask for proof and if I shere my personal encounter with them, they mock and insult me, why will I lied that I have seen the one that forbid me to lie? What the points?

What's your encounter? I won't laugh

truthman2012:
Am not trying to 'trick' you into saying anything, is just shows that as we go, you will soon be saying what am saying.

You said an atom is invisible, yet you believe it exists. It means invisibility of God should not be your problem. You are coming near to believing that God exists becaus is also invisible.

Dream is a function of thought and your thought takes you to a place outside your body? What gives your thought life when you are aslept? Don't people dream of what they did not think of?

Its invisible to the eye but can be seen with a special microscope. Thought doesn't take you out of your body. Thought stays in your mind and manifests as either day dream, night dream or nightmare as your mind tries to make sense of it.

honourhim:
My dear I'm not defending God and I won't also abuse him. For me I take him based on what the scripture said about him and not what the pastor said about him(as you ve done). The scripture presented his characteristics as a God of love, of wrath, of mercy, of judgment etc.

What do you think is God's concept in creation? Is it to create just for the sake of it? Or is it to please us the created? Or to manifest his characteristics in his creation? Or a combination of any/all of these three?

If there is a God then He created simply for the benefit of his amusement and is probably busy hosing Himself right now.

timonski:
atoms are made up of sub-atomic paticles which have mass. So u fail.

Dude seriously, LEAVE THE MUSHROOMS ALONE!!!!! And ask for a refund wherever you went to school. There is nothing smaller than an atom. An atom is the smallest component matter has!!!

timonski:
I, unlike you, am not an escapist. U escape the glaring truth that there is a god

One minute there's a God the next there isn't. Brother, seriously, lay off the mushrooms. You sound like you don't know your front from your end.

truthman2012:
Everything you mentioned here are SOMETHING, which cannot emerge from NOTHING. What caused the something?

Do you dream? What is the cause?

What is your point? What is it that you are trying so hard to trick me into saying? An atom is not a thing it is a particle of matter. An atom is invisible and unlike things (that is, matter) it cannot be created, it just is.

Thoughts cause dreams. Thoughts are not things. A thing is matter that is tangible!

timonski:
We were going to school when it happened. Na i eat mushrooms

LOL!!!!

Stop eating those mushrooms they are messing up your mind. You are so confused you don't even know which fence you are sitting on.

truthman2012:
Lo! Life and universe cannot create themselves as nothing can create something. It was because they could not see God they erroneously concluded they created themselves.

Viruses and bactaria are living things and of different kinds. The lives in them have to be formed first before mutation. What caused the lives in them?

An atom IS something from atoms we get molecules from molecules we get matter from matter we get things

timonski:
I have seen my friend get turned into a tuber of yam for picking a wad of notes. There is not ntin an atheist will tell me that can change my belief in the supernatural, and that is the stance of many theists. U atheists are just afraid of having some more advanced beings than u in this universe.

*dead with laughter* were you awake when this happened? You don't smoke weed by any chance do you?

truthman2012:
Science has not known the cause of God because He is first cause. Besides, He is invisible to scientists.

And he is visible to christians?

truthman2012:
The Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines 'molecule' as smallest unit (one or more atoms) into which a substance can be divided.

Therefore a molecule is 'SOMETHING' and not NOTHING. My question remains, what caused the 'Molecule' as nothing can cause something?

Okay let me break it down to you in the simplest way I can. Basically what the big bang suggests is that life and the universe created itself organically i.e. the universe created the universe also known as evolution. Think of cells, bacteria and viruses that mutate it's the same principle.