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iterator24:
your response is totally irrelevant to what you quoted... I'm not interested in what jordan does

It follows that if the Bagder has been ordered by people who no doubt would have had access to your link, then there's nothing to worry about.

Common sense.

iterator24:
as you can see, there are users reading our posts keenly .. they want to see a credible source that says innoson knows what SA looks like, let alone getting a license from there

Innoson has no clue what South Africa looks like. But the Asian OEM does know what Nigeria and South Africa look like.

Comprehension challenges over there, I see.

Or have you been so battered by South Africa that you are forever shaking?

iterator24:
i gave you a link, you ignored it.. your licence will expire soon saffer..

The Badger has just been ordered by Jordan and manufacturing has not even started for them. So, more schooling for you today.

iterator24:
you posted a car classified website so support your claim that a vehicle is manufactured under licence in Nigeria? interesting

You can see clearly that the design is something you have seen with Innosson. You can see clearly on the car that it says "inyathi'. It's clear as day.

agaugust:
Thanks bros. Chad and South Africa are both glory thieves. One is impoverished and rag tag, the other is pot bellied and HIV sick
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But we all know that Chad's recent victories have been misappropriated by you and your hangers-on.

iterator24:
we're talking about arms not chocolate.

How does this throwaway post support any of your statements and change the fact that technology and licensing go hand in hand? And that as a Nigerian, you can't be expected to know that?

iterator24:
a photoshoped picture concocted by south africans or a credible source that proves your baseless point?

That's your best response? I photoshopped a picture in ten seconds?

http://cars.brick7.co.za/cam/inyathi/325182.html

Just accept you were schooled today.

iterator24:
it hurts as hell, i understand , your licence time is limited and it will count on all units of badger produced..

That's like saying Ford's license time is limited with the Ford Focus ST.

Clearly, rubbish.

iterator24:
if you can't produce a citation for the bolded, something bad may happen to you tonight

I will do much better. Give you a picture.

iterator24:
DLS account audit will have it there.. Finland's cut

Yes, when stuck, resort to emoticons.

Not a single entry in an income statement says "someone's cut".

Revenues stand alone.

Costs or production are just that. And licenses are but one input towards costs of production.

iterator24:
she got licence to produce autos like Nissan, Peugeot amongst others.. so much for under-developed economy, that even has her own car brand [some thing SA will never have]...... mumu..


back to arms,
this link says badgers licence will be renewed
tanknutdave.com/the-finnish-patria-amv/

Nigeria's Innoson is Licensed as CAM or INyathi in South Africa. More ignorance from you and more schooling from me.


What does the renewal of the license prove that the revenues are shared?

Tell me about the renewal of apple's licenses with microsoft. does that now mean that apple shares revenues with MS?

agaugust:
Europeans are pocketing all the money/revenue from Badger engine and components parts sales. Stop fvcking yourself dude

All the money? Then Volvo pockets all Ford's one for the Ford Focus ST Engine?

More rubbish.

iterator24:
Again, the Finnish gets her cuts from every unit of badger SA produces..
Call it cost of production if you like.. or shop rental, its not my problem

No way revenues are shared. That is a rubbish statement. Denel's top-line is Denel's alone. That's like saying Samsung gets her cut from iPhones or iPad sales because the screens were supplied by them. Clearly, that's rubbish. Let me rephrase, you are talking rubbish.

agaugust:
That olodo actually believes South Africa sent it's hardened criminals to rob Finland at gun point and walk away with free Badger engines !
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No, he does not. He believes they did what almost every technology company does. License that which does not need to be re-creaed anew at cost. The technology business goes hand-in-hand with licensing, but because Nigeria is an under-developed economy, no one there will get that.

agaugust:
Okay, you mean South Africa did not pay money in millions of dollars to Finland for their licensing, spare parts and engines, you actually robbed the Europeans at gun point? Mumu
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I mean what i said, which is simple and straightforward.

All revenues generated from badger sales go to South Africa.

Apple pays royalties. Hell even Samsung screens at some point were in there. Chips and processors outsourced. Intel in Macs, you name it.

Microsoft pays royalties.

Even Exxon-Mobil pays royalties.

So, Denel will also pay royalties.

It's a cost of production and not a top-line item.

iterator24:
your licence fee reflects on every units produced.. Finnish still gets their cut..lol no matter how hard you try to spin it

Again, a license fee is not revenue.

It's a cost of production like any other cost of production.

Apple pays it.

Bmw pays it.

Volvo pays it.

Saab pays it.

Denel pays it.

Fact.

Licensing is the juice and lubricant of the manufacturing business.

In summary, you have said nothing and you basically got schooled.

ChukwuCantDie:
Never heard of him, he's irrelevant, he hasn't invented anything or come up with any new ideas he's useless.

An african rocket scientist who is also a Harvard graduate who has featured far and wide is irrelevant because you "never heard of him".

In short, you're saying you're ignorant.

But we knew that already.

iterator24:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_AMV

every unit produced in SA is a Finnish product...fact!

All revenues from badger sales are south African.

The only fact that matters.

And again, apple holds microsoft, Ericsson and other licenses. But apple products are apple's.

Fact.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/01/apple-ericsson-spat-shows-some-big.html?m=1

Bmw and ford and others have cross-licenses. Fact.

iterator24:
franchise is not mahala my friend

Royalties and revenues are two different things.

All revenues go to SA.

That's all that matters...my friend.

iterator24:
Finland gets her cut on every unit of badger produced in SA... fact!

Royalties are not revenues. Fact.

Also, apple hold tons of licenses, but apple products are apple products.

Fact.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/01/apple-ericsson-spat-shows-some-big.html?m=1

ChukwuCantDie:
Then why do they answer to whites? How can the majority of your country be black but they are all to dumb to lead SA is a failed state like Somalia.

For example:


Also set to be attend the dinner is Hans Vestberg, CEO and President, Ericsson who will use the occasion to share the firm's vision around the ecosystem that will facilitate the mobile growth and development in Africa. African Rocket Scientist, Harvard Graduate and Innovator, Siyabulela Xuza, will also inspire us with his vision for Africa.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201502241602.html

In other words, you have no argument.

iterator24:
it's under licence.. you know what that means?

It certainly does NOT mean that revenues go to Finland, because they don't.

SA takes the money from the sales.

That's the end of the matter.

iterator24:
you've had the same argument with your compatriots in the past andrewza,

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32046:badger-ifv-industrialisation-starts-in-earnest-with-first-production-model-expected-in-2015&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

At the end of the day, all monies generated from Badger sales go to south africa. Not Finland.

End of story.

iterator24:
Bros, the Patria AMV variant manufactured under licence as badger in SA is 90% Finnish ...Fact!

The revenues from all Badger sales are south african.

Fact and ultimate test.

iterator24:
the platform is 80% french made
m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20
some of its components are manufactured in South Africa under licence by Denel Aviation
i thought this issue has been dealt with already

The French company that designed the rooivalk for us, please sir.

Out with it.

The request from Patchy was simple enough.

Patchesagain:
The sad truth here (for you) is that you need to make things up to even be able to try to argue with us on this forum.

Deep.

Henry120:
It's a 2007 article. So tell us what how things have gone better?
Since the article.........
*The Rooivalk has gone on to fail miserably other bids.
* The Production has since been closed
* The SAAF now only have 10 Helicopters in service for an over 1.2 million KM square area, as a Rooivalk was damaged beyond repair and another used in an institute.
* The Rooivalk again showed it's an expensive piece of obsolete metal, with a high running cost running cost and poor outdated avionics.
The article may have been written in 2007, but it is as up to date as a few seconds ago.
The Rooivalk is more of a french helicopter than South-African. I'm only stating the facts, and understand that it hurts.

How desperate and jealous can you get?


Your PRIMARY and LEAD argument was that the decision was taken that the Rooivalk is not commercially viable.

Now that you can't hold on to that argument, you desperately try to move in another direction.

Be a man and stick to your guns and battle against this 2014 article below:

[b]Cape Town - Government will push state-owned arms manufacturers Denel to increase production of the Rooivalk attack helicopter, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said on Monday.

“We have to push them to do it and by doing so we have to assist them in whatever way to manufacture more because... everybody now wants a Rooivalk and they want a Rooivalk from South Africa,” she told journalists in Cape Town.

“The Rooivalk Attack Helicopter was for the first time deployed by the UN... and played a pivotal role in the demise of the M23 rebel armed group in the eastern part of the DRC,” the minister said.

The UN mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo, known as Monusco, has praised the effectiveness of the attack helicopter. Its success generated interest from elsewhere in the world, meaning the defence industry would have to increase manufacturing capacity.

“Our defence industry has no choice. Even if we did not have the capacity to do some of these things the truth of the matter is wherever you go right now people are talking about the Rooivalk and people would want to order the Rooivalk... so our defence industry must be beefed up, must be assisted as we have been doing,” she said.

Sales of the helicopter would boost the economy and the standing of the country's defence industry.

“I think it's good for the country. It's good for our economy,” the minister said.

“It's good for the defence industry... because there's a lot of competition out there. It's good that they are beginning to identify South Africa as one of those countries that can play a very key role in supplying some of that equipment.”

Sapa[/b]

rka1:
We are now on Shekau the 3rd who will soon follow his predessesors.

Bwahaha! All you have done is confirm that Shekau is not dead.

[quote author= post=31226941]Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that what you Southies like to ram down our throats about Denel will this and Denel may that?[/quote]You are wrong, so consider yourself corrected. We never say "might".

Msauza:
Egypt is calling for alliance with Nigeria because Nigeria is facing terrorism threat, simply. It is not because Nigeria is a powerful military in Africa, if they were really that powerful, why did they run to other countries, even calling the US to help them fight BH. Calling upon the world to help them fight rag tag BH. It's a shame.

They even begged the UK for information on their own Chibok girls. Who does that?

http://www.naij.com/393977-uk-keeping-information-about-chibok-girls-for-safety.html

Henry120:
Nigeria might have taken delivery of one of two up-graded Cobra APC's. Nigerian newspapers keep referring to Cobra APC's with Night vision.

Is this a new trend on this thread where people post "the nigerian military MIGHT have taken delivery"? Like, really. See, I might have become a billionaire this morning.

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]How Nigerian army ordered Chad, Niger, Cameroon, to protect their own borders....

.....and save themselves from Boko Haram escapees, or be invaded by fleeing Boko Haram ![/size]


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Nigeria's Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh made a detailed disclosure even as he noted that Nigeria was sending “a force of 5000 military personnel while Chad is sending a force of another 2500 personnel totalling 7, 500 troops with which we intend to bring the Boko Haram nuisance to an end. Cameroon too is contributing troops but I cannot tell you the number for now, and we also have an MOU with Niger. They will block their own side so that the Boko Haram or the enemies won’t have the opportunity to run into Niger to cause havoc for them”.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/boko-haram-why-military-offensive-is-yielding-results-dasuki/#sthash.eFBdm8Kh.dpuf


Chad, Niger Republic, and Cameroon are NOT saving or helping Nigeria, they are saving their own country from invasion by fleeing Boko Haram who are now running across land borders and even drowning in Lake Chad as they run away like cowards fleeing from the anger of the Nigerian army's final offensive.

Shame on Nigeria's enemies....including South Africans who ran away from Seleka war in Bangui [/size]


PHOTOS: NIGERIAN SOLDIERS SET BOKO HARAM ON FIRE AS WE MARCH FORWARD AND BOKO HARAM FLEES LIKE COWARDS !
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The art of spin doctoring: call crying for help "ordering".

Yet, Chad freed towns inside Nigeria's borders.