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chris365: finally we getting somewhere. so who's shelling your peaceful neighborhood? does casualty figure matter when shells are fired indiscriminately in suburbs at a time of no militant struggle?

still playing the dunce eh

You are farting in the ocean if you can't show me a single mortar dead victim in SA against your thousands in Nigeria. Or better yet, a "fired" mortar against your thousands in Nigeria. Thank you, trollgate.

chris365: yeah, we know. Nigeria is at war. terrorists killing the innocent. is SA?

who's shelling your neighborhood DieVut? SANDF? gangsters? there was a shelling right?

good ostrich you are. Bury it deeper

Trollgate can point to no dead mortar victims in South Africa. But we can point to THOUSANDS of dead victims in Nigeria. Indiscriminate shelling. Targeted shelling. You name it, Naija's got it.

Uhm..."bhahahaha". Trollgate to sit down.

chris365: hahahahahahaha. he triea to hide his own sh1t.

hey dumbo, Nigeria is fighting insurgency and you don't hear of indiscriminate shelling in towns full of civilians. not that i expect you to accept that fact. trollgate

gangsters getting bolder in SA. mortar rounds fired in civilian populations. #NoDullingForTheCrimeCapital

Trollgate all over the place. An insurgency where's there's both targeted and indiscriminate killings. Thousands of bodies as a result. Civilian, terrorist and soldier alike. They eat and breathe mortar out there. Dying by the thousand.That's off the hizzy. Trollgate, it's "bwahaha" as you sit down.

chris365: bwahahahahahahahaha..... butthurt meaningless trash talk..
so targeted shelling in joburg it is then? ode

The only targeted shelling that's off the hizzy happens in Nigeria, where jets shell friendly troops and civilians. Never mind the indiscriminate killing, which is daily bread in Nigeria. Sit down trollgate.

agaugust: [size=16pt]

Hey dude, South African construction is NOT better than Nigeria !

You have rotten incidents in your country and you want to accuse Nigeria, you must be craaaaaazy !

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2014/08/18/eight-killed-in-johannesburg-building-collapse

8 people died !

http://www.news24.com/Multimedia/South-Africa/Building-collapses-in-Cape-Town-20131118


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSterFH2GHs


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Oh Auguby....

I have a question. Can the below be said of Nigeria? We are talking Dubai here. Not Onitsha.

"There are currently 234 South African companies in Dubai, across various industries and sectors. Construction and engineering group Aveng Grinaker-LTA (known as Al Jaber Grinaker-LTA in the UAE) was a key player in the construction of Dubai’s Madinat Jumeirah resort, Yas Waterworld and Al Maktoum International Airport’s parking additions to terminal three. Murray and Roberts – which Harris described as “instrumental in a lot of the early development in the UAE” – was involved in the construction of the Burj Al Arab luxury hotel in Dubai.

http://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/sa-companies-should-consider-placing-their-headquarters-in-dubai-says-sabco/25688/

Looks like you're wrong as usual.

agaugust: I live in America and most builders do NOT use harnesing. There is NO general harness law in America.

Thanks for proving you don't know the world outside South Africa except by google photos
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Bwahaha! You live in America! Joke of the century! Why don't you show us pictures of Americans with their bamboo scaffolding and no harnesses without risking citations? You can't cause you really are in Nigeria.

By the way, you are also wrong on US law, but we knew that already

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10757

[quote author=OSHA 1926.501]1926.501(a)

"General."

1926.501(a)(1)

This section sets forth requirements for employers to provide fall protection systems. All fall protection required by this section shall conform to the criteria set forth in 1926.502 of this subpart.

1926.501(a)(2)

The employer shall determine if the walking/working surfaces on which its employees are to work have the strength and structural integrity to support employees safely. Employees shall be allowed to work on those surfaces only when the surfaces have the requisite strength and structural integrity.

1926.501(b)

1926.501(b)(1)

"Unprotected sides and edges." Each employee on a walking/working surface (horizontal and vertical surface) with an unprotected side or edge which is 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above a lower level shall be protected from falling by the use of guardrail systems, safety net systems, or personal fall arrest systems.

..1926.501(b)(2)

1926.501(b)(2)

"Leading edges."

1926.501(b)(2)(i)

Each employee who is constructing a leading edge 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, safety net systems, or personal fall arrest systems. Exception: When the employer can demonstrate that it is infeasible or creates a greater hazard to use these systems, the employer shall develop and implement a fall protection plan which meets the requirements of paragraph (k) of 1926.502.

Note: There is a presumption that it is feasible and will not create a greater hazard to implement at least one of the above-listed fall protection systems. Accordingly, the employer has the burden of establishing that it is appropriate to implement a fall protection plan which complies with 1926.502(k) for a particular workplace situation, in lieu of implementing any of those systems.

1926.501(b)(2)(ii)

Each employee on a walking/working surface 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above a lower level where leading edges are under construction, but who is not engaged in the leading edge work, shall be protected from falling by a guardrail system, safety net system, or personal fall arrest system. If a guardrail system is chosen to provide the fall protection, and a controlled access zone has already been established for leading edge work, the control line may be used in lieu of a guardrail along the edge that parallels the leading edge.

1926.501(b)(3)

"Hoist areas." Each employee in a hoist area shall be protected from falling 6 feet (1.8 m) or more to lower levels by guardrail systems or personal fall arrest systems. If guardrail systems, [or chain, gate, or guardrail] or portions thereof, are removed to facilitate the hoisting operation (e.g., during landing of materials), and an employee must lean through the access opening or out over the edge of the access opening (to receive or guide equipment and materials, for example), that employee shall be protected from fall hazards by a personal fall arrest system.

..1926.501(b)(4)

1926.501(b)(4)

"Holes."

1926.501(b)(4)(i)

Each employee on walking/working surfaces shall be protected from falling through holes (including skylights) more than 6 feet (1.8 m) above lower levels, by personal fall arrest systems, covers, or guardrail systems erected around such holes.

1926.501(b)(4)(ii)

Each employee on a walking/working surface shall be protected from tripping in or stepping into or through holes (including skylights) by covers.

1926.501(b)(4)(iii)

Each employee on a walking/working surface shall be protected from objects falling through holes (including skylights) by covers.

1926.501(b)(5)

"Formwork and reinforcing steel." Each employee on the face of formwork or reinforcing steel shall be protected from falling 6 feet (1.8 m) or more to lower levels by personal fall arrest systems, safety net systems, or positioning device systems.

1926.501(b)(6)

"Ramps, runways, and other walkways." Each employee on ramps, runways, and other walkways shall be protected from falling 6 feet (1.8 m) or more to lower levels by guardrail systems.

1926.501(b)(7)

"Excavations."

1926.501(b)(7)(i)

Each employee at the edge of an excavation 6 feet (1.8 m) or more in depth shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, fences, or barricades when the excavations are not readily seen because of plant growth or other visual barrier;

..1926.501(b)(7)(ii)

1926.501(b)(7)(ii)

Each employee at the edge of a well, pit, shaft, and similar excavation 6 feet (1.8 m) or more in depth shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, fences, barricades, or covers.

1926.501(b)(

"Dangerous equipment."

1926.501(b)((i)

Each employee less than 6 feet (1.8 m) above dangerous equipment shall be protected from falling into or onto the dangerous equipment by guardrail systems or by equipment guards.

1926.501(b)((ii)

Each employee 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above dangerous equipment shall be protected from fall hazards by guardrail systems, personal fall arrest systems, or safety net systems.

1926.501(b)(9)

"Overhand bricklaying and related work."

1926.501(b)(9)(i)

Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each employee performing overhand bricklaying and related work 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels, shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, safety net systems, personal fall arrest systems, or shall work in a controlled access zone.

1926.501(b)(9)(ii)

Each employee reaching more than 10 inches (25 cm) below the level of the walking/working surface on which they are working, shall be protected from falling by a guardrail system, safety net system, or personal fall arrest system.

Note: Bricklaying operations performed on scaffolds are regulated by subpart L - Scaffolds of this part.

..1926.501(b)(10)

1926.501(b)(10)

"Roofing work on Low-slope roofs." Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each employee engaged in roofing activities on low-slope roofs, with unprotected sides and edges 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, safety net systems, personal fall arrest systems, or a combination of warning line system and guardrail system, warning line system and safety net system, or warning line system and personal fall arrest system, or warning line system and safety monitoring system. Or, on roofs 50-feet (15.25 m) or less in width (see Appendix A to subpart M of this part), the use of a safety monitoring system alone [i.e. without the warning line system] is permitted.

1926.501(b)(11)

"Steep roofs." Each employee on a steep roof with unprotected sides and edges 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems with toeboards, safety net systems, or personal fall arrest systems.

1926.501(b)(12)

"Precast concrete erection." Each employee engaged in the erection of precast concrete members (including, but not limited to the erection of wall panels, columns, beams, and floor and roof "tees" and related operations such as grouting of precast concrete members, who is 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, safety net systems, or personal fall arrest systems, unless another provision in paragraph (b) of this section provides for an alternative fall protection measure. Exception: When the employer can demonstrate that it is infeasible or creates a greater hazard to use these systems, the employer shall develop and implement a fall protection plan which meets the requirements of paragraph (k) of 1926.502.

Note: There is a presumption that it is feasible and will not create a greater hazard to implement at least one of the above-listed fall protection systems. Accordingly, the employer has the burden of establishing that it is appropriate to implement a fall protection plan which complies with 1926.502(k) for a particular workplace situation, in lieu of implementing any of those systems.

..1926.501(b)(13)

1926.501(b)(13)

"Residential construction." Each employee engaged in residential construction activities 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected by guardrail systems, safety net system, or personal fall arrest system unless another provision in paragraph (b) of this section provides for an alternative fall protection measure. Exception: When the employer can demonstrate that it is infeasible or creates a greater hazard to use these systems, the employer shall develop and implement a fall protection plan which meets the requirements of paragraph (k) of 1926.502.

Note: There is a presumption that it is feasible and will not create a greater hazard to implement at least one of the above-listed fall protection systems. Accordingly, the employer has the burden of establishing that it is appropriate to implement a fall protection plan which complies with 1926.502(k) for a particular workplace situation, in lieu of implementing any of those systems.

1926.501(b)(14)

"Wall openings." Each employee working on, at, above, or near wall openings (including those with chutes attached) where the outside bottom edge of the wall opening is 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels and the inside bottom edge of the wall opening is less than 39 inches (1.0 m) above the walking/working surface, shall be protected from falling by the use of a guardrail system, a safety net system, or a personal fall arrest system.

1926.501(b)(15)

"Walking/working surfaces not otherwise addressed." Except as provided in 1926.500(a)(2) or in 1926.501 (b)(1) through (b)(14), each employee on a walking/working surface 6 feet (1.8 m) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by a guardrail system, safety net system, or personal fall arrest system.

1926.501(c)

"Protection from falling objects." When an employee is exposed to falling objects, the employer shall have each employee wear a hard hat and shall implement one of the following measures:

1926.501(c)(1)

Erect toeboards, screens, or guardrail systems to prevent objects from falling from higher levels; or,

..1926.501(c)(2)

1926.501(c)(2)

Erect a canopy structure and keep potential fall objects far enough from the edge of the higher level so that those objects would not go over the edge if they were accidentally displaced; or,

1926.501(c)(3)

Barricade the area to which objects could fall, prohibit employees from entering the barricaded area, and keep objects that may fall far enough away from the edge of a higher level so that those objects would not go over the edge if they were accidentally displaced.

[59 FR 40732, Aug. 9, 1994; 60 FR 5131, Jan. 26, 1995][/quote]

chris365: how secure is south aftica? you tell me about a society without insurgency where mortars are fired indiscriminately.


Police investigating Brakpan mortar after
woman injured

A mortar projectile went through the roof of a
house in Brakpan central, east of Johannesburg,
injuring a 20-year-old woman, Gauteng police
said on Sunday. “We are investigating the origin of the mortar
projectile and who shot it,” Captain Kabelo
Marumo said. The projectile shot through the woman’s
bedroom roof on Saturday. He said the mortar could not have gone off on
its own and urged anyone with information to
assist the police. “If they wish to remain anonymous there are
channels that can be followed.” Marumo could not confirm or deny whether the
mortar projectile was part of the SA National
Defence Force’s equipment until investigations
were completed. The woman was in a critical but stable condition
at a hospital in Benoni



no dulling for the crime capital

Oh wow! If this equals "indiscriminately", then the Nigerian situation is off the hizzy ma nizzy! Why don't you sit yourself down, desperate trollgate?

Henry120: We know where the girls are. Security is the sole responsibility of the Nigerian government and people, we do not shy away from our responsibilities.


On the other hand, you(south-africa) tops the list of the world's murder capital.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

LOL - and what are your homicide rates, pray tell? Do you know? Nope!

You know where the girls are? Right. I am sure they are grateful.

agaugust: Quote where I said that. Your own words say it not mine.

British Sentinel is among the best search aircraft in the world, all I said was that after all the USA/UK efforts, what they accused Nigeria of not being able to do with our ISTAR aircraft, their own NATO super ISTAR also could not do it.

Learn English comprehension, Soweto education is hogwash
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Bwahaha!

Everyone on the thread knows your defence to the charge that you failed to find the girls is that 'THE US FAILED TOO'. Seems the failure was solely yours then, not so? Do you accept that the failture was yours, seeing as the US was not really involved? You have confirmed that the US was not involved, haven't you?

agaugust: Many Thanks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn_Br-OwZ0o
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Many thanks for proving the point that you use no harnessing.

More of the same below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNp93iWacfE

agaugust: According to your own source above, the Amerians are NOT armed NOT fighting and STUCK inside their Abuja Embassy office.

Thanks for proving us right, we appreciate it....

May 12, 2014|by Richard Sisk


" U.S. Special Forces troops were headed to Nigeria but not to join in the hunt for the kidnapped schoolgirls who were offered as bargaining chips Monday by their Boko Haram captors.

"They will have no role whatsoever in the search for the missing girls," Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said of the Special Forces and other troops from U.S. Army Africa (USARAF) that will deploy to Nigeria in two weeks to advise a Nigerian Ranger battalion.

On Sunday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ruled out the use of Special Forces in the hunt for the missing girls, but USARAF made clear that one of the goals of the 12-member advisory team was to train the Nigerians to combat the Boko Haram terror group.

"We want these (Nigerian) soldiers to take the fight to Boko Haram in the restricted terrain and really eliminate the threat within their borders so they can get back to peacekeeping operations," Lt. Vinnie Garbarino, a USARAF engagements officer, said in an Army release.

At the Pentagon, Warren said 16 troops from the Africa Command were now at the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, the Nigerian capital, and were working from the Embassy."


....and Nigerian army has not dissappointed the world....2,000 Bokos killed in 7 days, 200 Bokos surrendered, plus. top commander Shekau Roasted to hell fire by the only army America respects in Africa....Naija !

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You have just killed your argument about the US not being able to find the girls despite a diligent search. Seems the US's search was never diligent, by your own admission.

Thanks for proving us right on the point of your failure to find the girls and such.

Thanks.

Words used? "A lot". Thanks.

agaugust: I don't owe you any proof, you made the first allegation, so you prove it. When you accuse a man in court the law demands you prove him guilty with evidence, not that you start court case by asking a man to prove his innocence, you must accuse him with evidence first....your education is hogwash in Soweto !

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By the same token, I don't owe you proof or stats of things I never said. But I will happily give you pictures to support what I DID say.

Deal? Thanks!

agaugust: Show me credible statistics to prove we use more bamboos than steel....since you live in Nigeria....prove it
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When did I use the word "more bamboos than steel"? Never mind that you couldn't produce stats that you use more steel than bamboo.

Henry120: "Tell me where IN THE US Americans kill Americans, please."

Did you forget asking me this?


Spoken like a true 33 percenter

Oh, so Henry knows nothing about context. Noted. I will speak to you like a 4-year old then, if you can't keep things in context. Were we not talking about terror?

agaugust: Pakistan and India are world nuclear powers and India is the 4th ranked military in the world superior to Great Britain and France. Yet Pakistan and India are still battling with Islamic terrorists on their homesoil for many years no end in sight.

Russia and America have about 1% Islamic population and USA has no radical violent version of Islam. Nigeria has 50% Islamic population and about 10% are radical jihadist Ansar, Shiite, Sunni versions included.

So for Nigeria to prevent insurgency on home soil we need to sh.oot all the 80 million Nigerian citizen Islamists dead, right?

You must me a psycho !

Can you stop 1 million Isalmists from waking up tomorrow morning and saying they don't want a Nigerian christian president to rule over them? Is that an indictment on Nigerian army if those Islamists turn violent and demand an Islamic nation? Do you know that Islam as a religion does not permit a Christian to rule over an Islamist? Do you know what Islam is? You ever read the Koran in your life? Do you know Islamic doctrine?

If there are 25 million Islamists as resident citizens of South Africa with 2 million radical jihadist among them all waking up tomorrow and demanding an Islamic nation inside South Africa because the Koran holy book says Jacob Zuma is a Christian and cannot rule over Islamists....then SANDF will avoid trouble and indictment by sh.ooting dead all the 25 million South African citizen Islamists as a precaution against future insurgency?

From the way you talk, I can see that South African brains have a zero capacity for situational analysis
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So, what is your point, Aug. Are you trying to tell us that Ki Moon is wrong or are you wanting to tell a long story just because?

As for SA, we have repeatedly told you that we know how to deal with insurgency through effective governance intervention. You don't. That's why you have Boko Haram.

Henry120: I would tell you.

There are over 450 violent murders in the city of chicago yearly.
Same as Detroit, maryland and many other violent U.S cities.

Henry, what does crime have to do with terror? Are those people in Chicago terrorists?

Henry120: Listen, there have been countless terror attacks on U.S assets over seas, their ambassador to libya was killed in one of such attacks.

Nigeria's terror problems are home-grown, the U.S would have suffered more terror attacks on it's soil if it hard a large muslim population like Nigeria (80 million).


Learn to Make a coherent and intelligent argument.

Learn2ArgueOnPoint.

What does your "countless terror attacks on US assets overseas" have to do with good governance?

Tell me where IN THE US Americans kill Americans, please.

I will then show you where Nigerians kill Nigerians, in which case Ban Ki Moon is spot-on. In which case you are then also correct. "Nigeria's problems are home-grown". That's exactly the point. So why are you arguing? Ki Moon is right.

agaugust: China does same thing. We don't use it much, except a private builder chooses. Nigerian scaffold is mostly steel.

You use it a lot, Aug. You use it a lot. Often without any harnessing as well. And the fact that China does the same thing does not mean much.

GreenandGold: They kill one terrorist leader they claim victory.. thousands still remain, villages and towns still under terrorist control.

Watch Boko Haram's counter, I just hope the borders are close enough for the Nigerian Army to flee to.

They confuse "terrorist" with "terrorism". Theirs is a systematic issue. That's why there are Shekaus I and II and and and.

Henry120: The first bombing of wall trade center by Osama in 1996

The second which killed nearly 3,000 americans
The alabama bombing
The boston bombing

Or is there another new-york city and boston?

You are grasping at straws, Henry. The US's war on terror is NOT happening in the US. All you can come up with are 3 incidents inside the US. Nigeria on the other hand lives WITH terrorism every single day. Terrorism BY Nigerians at that. Hardly comparable to the US situation. The quote above by Ban Ki Moon is applicable to Nigeria, but not to the US.

Henry120: You're just like the rest of the dull south-african lot.



The U.S has the world's largest force projection.
The U.S CIA has a budget that eclipses many of it's NATO allies
The U.S has over 1000 military bases around the globe
The U.S has been battling terrorism since 1993
They chased and spent osama bin laden for 13years, and spent over 100 billion dollars before he was finally killed

Where is all of this great action happening, Bruv? In NYC? In D.C.?

No answer required. With that dealt with, here goes. Happy pondering. Hope you'll get the point now.

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iterator24: China, Russia even some European countries are still battling terrorism .. you're short sighted my friend .. kill the ideology!

Where is the US battling terrorism again? Where exactly? And which of those countries are battling ragtag armies in their territory? Deal with it my friend, the whole thing is an indictment on Nigeria.

While we are on the topic. This is for our shortsighted Nigerian friends.

GreenandGold: I consider it failure, your government is sweating armpits over internal militia... You're no different from the DRC.

Is the fighting over now? Is that what they are telling us?

Msauza: YOUR BUILDINGS COLLAPSE RIGHT IN THE CITY CENTER, SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER SEE IN THE MIGHTY SA.
HOWEVER, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THAT I HAVE TRAVELLED NIGERIA MANY A TIMES AND HAVE SEEN WHAT KIND OF BUILDINGS THEY BUILT. MANY OF THEM ARE NOT SAFE AT ALL. IT IS NOT A SECRET THAT NIGERIANS CANNOT PRODUCE SAFER STRUCTURES.

Yes. And they use bamboo for scaffolding. Like Wot the Hell?

#ShowUsTheNobelPrizeWinner

GreenandGold: The Kruger Park has the internet too, it doesn't make it less bushy.

In any case, he should be grateful to Mobile Telephone Networks Limited.

agaugust: My neighbour arrived South Africa on official assignment with co-workers. Just in front of the airport armed robbers stripped them down to their boxer shorts, took away all thier money, suitcases travel bags, clothes....and kilishi meat, chinchin, plantain chips, etc. The Nigerians went to their destination almost N..A..K..E..D....welcome to South Africa where PEOPLE GLADLY ROB PEOPLE !!!
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Bwahaha - cool story bru. I'd be crying if it were true. Clearly you've never set foot in a South African airport.

MikeZA: You're the same idi..ot how asked us to post pictures of a data link.

The very same idi.ot who thinks computers are data links.

What happened to Henry? He used to try with a bit of sense. But now he's lost it. Too many painful posts from South Africans, I guess. Too many. Too long. Too painful.