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Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 1:45pm On Sep 22, 2014
Centrifude: I couldn't have said it better myself, I wish more people opened their eyes to the realities of this world, and stopped holding on to all these thoughts of false hope and salvation.

I strongly agree with you on the point that calling all those victims Martyrs is an insult to them and their memory, and I'm surprise by the many people I know who are follows of that church, who believe that nonsense about an Air-plane being the cause of the problem, its amazing how very intelligent people would push all forms of logic aside and choose to defend a ridiculous conspiracy theory of a man and his merry band of follows, people who have no architectural knowledge or know anything about construction.

They defend him with pride, just because he claims to be Gods gate way to humanity.

Its just sad that more people are still flocking to that place.
Well, these aren't my words. It's Daily Maverick. But I definitely agree with this. The mind rally boggles. And when they realise that their views defy logic, they give you the "God works in mysterious ways" line. I'm interested to see if the laws of the land will also play second fiddle to what really is superstition and fraudulent fibs.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 1:42pm On Sep 22, 2014
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:36am On Sep 22, 2014
Henry120: Shekau 1, lying lifeless on a hospital bed in cameroun. Video provided by nigerian DSS in 2013

http://2.bp..com/-v7Izi1ajTOg/Ula9OgecpkI/AAAAAAAAUrU/WMCOh2egYyA/s1600/boko+haram+leader+shekau+on+hospital+bed.jpg
"quote" dead Shekau "unquote".

Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 10:49am On Sep 22, 2014
Gift of the Givers finds 57 SA survivors in Nigeria

JOHANNESBURG - Gift of the Givers says it has managed to track 57 South Africans who survived the recent building collapse in Lagos, Nigeria.

Gift of the Givers founder Imtiaz Sooliman said the organisation on Saturday was granted permission to visit Nigerian hospitals and interact with numerous people that were at Synagogue Church of All Nations’s (Scoan) collapsed guesthouse.

The organisation was chased away from the tragic site on Thursday but Sooliman said the hostility has disappeared, Scoan and the Nigerian authorities gave its members permission to help the South African rescue team in Lagos.

“We are grateful that the mood has changed and everyone is cooperating with our five representatives in Nigeria. Our team has been given permission to visit hospitals and provide necessary support were needed. They have found 57 South Africans. Many were injured but they are all in a stable state,” said Sooliman.

Sooliman said Gift of the Givers has communicated with the families of the recovered. Some of the injured are part of the group expected to land in South Africa on Monday.

Gift of the Givers will wrap up its search on September 22 even though it’s still being inundated with requests from South Africans wishing to find their relatives who were in Nigeria on the day of the disaster.

“Our team will end its search later today but they will continue to assist where needed. The South African government working with the Nigerian authorities are handling the entire process and they will surely update us on all major developments,” said Sooliman.

Scoan’s multi-storey guesthouse collapsed on September 12.

Eighty-six people, among them 84 South Africans, were killed.

Some 26 South Africans were injured.

An Inter-Ministerial Task team that will help manage the Nigerian building collapse tragedy was established on Thursday.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit:
MikeZA: SAAF C-130 went to collect the injured.

Just arrived home.
Yeah.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit:
South Africans evacuated from Nigeria back in SA.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 8:59am On Sep 22, 2014
I hear SANDF projected its force all the way to Nigeria yesterday and zapped Nigeria's air space and territory; and flew right out with South Africans? tongue

Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 3:20pm On Sep 21, 2014
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 3:11pm On Sep 21, 2014
Motlalentoa: Bathong! Are Saffers the only people to have media houses, govt, high commissioner and trip organisers? No! So, the same way we have been hearing about our death toll. We would also hear about others (i.e a Zim politician). For you to keep on saying I'm contradicting myself means you know the reasons I used to form my opinion, not?

What is your problem, exactly? Are you so bitter that you'd rather believe that South Africans were killed on purpose? Obviously it is not only South Africans that have media houses but I refer you to today's Sunday Times for you to see who has been secretive (Nigeria) and who has been open nothwithstanding the lack of cooperation from Nigeria ( South Africa). You'd rather refuse to be empathetic because these people died in Nigeria?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2014/09/21/blood-on-their-hands1?fb_action_ids=10152432872900808&fb_action_types=og.recommends

I do not know your reasons but it is obvious that you are contradicting yourself and I have pointed out where the contradictions are.


Uhm...lets see, a 6-storey building reportedly built on a 2-storey foundation collapses into its own footprint in a matter of seconds crushing scores of people to death seems very solid/legit to you, innit?

That sarcastic statement is even more believable than your pie-in-the-sky theory about someone deciding to knock the building over because South Africans were in there. So, sarcasm for sarcasm, I guess my answer would be 'you got that right'.

It's your opinion. So, of course it would make sense to you. Don't know why you keep bringing Nigerians up when I've already said this isn't about them.

It's not an opinion. It is a fact (indicative but a fact nonetheless) that is more than evident in everything that has been reported. The construction was shoddy. The regulations were not enforced. The preacher was greedy. Cut corners. Failed to cooperate. There are suspicions that corruption in the construction industry allowed the addition of two floors without approval. Common sense tells you that's the first place to look for an explanation. Not these baseless conspiracy theories about planes and South Africans being targeted.


An opinion which I stated and will stand by it until proven otherwise - an opinion that I've never asked you or anyone else to endorse. So, I don't get why you're so bothered by it.

More like a baseless rant. I have given you a fairly logical explanation, which you don't even want to investigate because you want to hold on to your baseless opinion. If you post online and are challenged and see it as people being bothered, maybe it's time for you to stop posting.

Engineers? What enigneers? The only people who have so far been quoted in the media are the spokepersons for emergency crews, aid agencies, et al. And no, you posted articles written by reporters whose presentation of the so called "direct words" is influenced by their own opinions - reporters that aren't even in Nigeria. Furthermore, rescue and recovery teams are not invesignators.


Then you need to update yourself because you clearly missed some important reading while you were busy ranting and foaming in the mouth. Here's the latest.

http://news.yahoo.com/nigerian-preacher-under-pressure-over-fatal-church-collapse-092206759.html

If you want the earliest, I can give it to you. You are no different from the "gullible believers" that you criticise. Believing in some pie-in-the-sky theory. You are on the other side of the spectrum that's all. The preacher's followers believe he was attacked. You believe South Africans were attacked. Where's your science? Your logic?

Oh, you have posted no links by the way. Just your "opinion".
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 6:22am On Sep 21, 2014
TB Joshua: When stupidity rules

Our universe hinges on a delicate balance of sanity and stu'pidity. For centuries, scientists have been trying to determine the optimal levels of each. But, like dark matter or why there's no swimming pool creepy that can climb stairs, this equation remains a mystery. What is now certain is that when TB Joshua’s church in Nigeria issued a statement about its catastrophic building collapse, the balance snapped and a fiercely evil geomagnetic storm of stupid shook the planet.

LIKE solar winds from that giant fireball in the sky, stupidity usually washes over us with minimal effect. In extreme cases, we may scream in agony at computer screens or television sets, or even throw a coffee cup across a room, but mostly we continue with our daily lives and allow the equilibrium to return over a quiet dinner or a glass of wine. A weekend usually restores the balance.

The higher the exposure, the more resilient we seem to become. Floyd Shivambu flipping the bird at our deputy president in parliament. Kebby Maphatsoe accusing Thuli Madonsela of being a CIA spy, denying it later, apologising for the comment he claims not to have made and then keeping his job. Jacob Zuma saying there is no Nkandla scandal. Steve Hofmeyr. Agang. The invisible winds just keep on blowing…

But when I read the statement issued by The Synagogue, Church of All Nations, about the building collapse, which killed 67 South Africans, it felt like there was some kind of a cosmic event. A rapture of stu:pid somewhere amongst the stars. I was so furious I felt a little shaky, trying to combine swear words as if that would increase their impact. Journalists tend to be passionate about current affairs, but it takes a lot to reach that point.

The statement began with, “Emmanuel – God is with us”. No problem here. It's a church. What else would it say?Then came a brief and clinical summary of the disaster. The one Jacob Zuma correctly called a “heartbreaking tragedy” in a rare address to the nation this week.

The church then went on to peddle its conspiracy theory about a terrorist attack: “This incident was preceded by the appearance of a strange aircraft which flew very low over the building, four times and then disappeared.”

Not poor construction. Not illegal floors being built. Not greed. But a mysterious aircraft that made a part of the church cave in, somehow.


This nonsense was followed by a denial that the church had blocked emergency crews from rescuing people and was refusing to co-operate with disaster management teams, relief agencies, various governments and, well, pretty much everyone. These were “sad and inaccurate reports” it claimed. Despite on-the-record comments from senior diplomats that the church was closing rank.

Of course, there was also a perfectly logical explanation for the collapse.

“The church views this tragedy as part of an attack on The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations and in particular, Prophet TB Joshua. In due course, God will reveal the perpetrators of this unfortunate tragedy”.

This was an annoying but not unusual message from a church. A call to release responsibility and accept that God works in mysterious ways. To have faith. To overcome and hold on to your beliefs.

Fine. Whatever. But then came the clincher. TB Joshua’s clan felt it necessary to describe those who died as “martyrs of the Kingdom of God”.

Martyrs!

Dozens of people who were crushed to death when a massive (possibly illegal) building sunk down like a sand elephant on top of them. People who had paid a lot of money and flew thousands of kilometres to feel the healing touch of a man who claims to be a prophet, capable of curing anything from cancer to Aids. The same man who sits on the Forbes list of millionaires for selling the equivalent of fresh air.

These people are not martyrs. They are victims of a terrible tragedy, which, in all probability, could have been avoided. And my heart burns for their families. They too are victims.

To spew out a ridiculous conspiracy theory is one thing. Politicians do it all the time. But to then go and describe as “martyrs” those who perished in the name of false hope is insane. In fact, it’s a crime against sanity. A nasty assault on rational thought.

I have never criticised those who believe nor have I questioned their right to faith. I stand firmly for choice, as long as it doesn't impact others.

But in recent months, the dark side of religion has forced its way into our lives. The monsters in black balaclavas have burnt images into our brains of good men pushed down to their knees and savagely beheaded. Or streams of cowering men paraded before being exterminated – shot in the head and pushed into a river, one by one. Or young girls being kidnapped from their homes and schools.

To claim that those who died in the church collapse are martyrs is not only stupid but also evil. They had no choice. They came to be healed or inspired and will now return home in body bags. If their remains are ever found in the rubble.

The magnet of hope is a powerful one. I get it. And those who wield it are usually secretive. Evangelical churches are nothing new… the poor get rich, the ill get healthy, the dying are cured and the lonely find love. In the rush of holy euphoria, the devoted eat grass out in the gardens. Good for them.

The faithful will not stop flocking to these churches. But maybe this will make us all think just a little about what lies beneath.
_DM
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit:
Motlalentoa: 1. If there were, don't you think we would've heard about them by now? A week is a long time for one to not notice that their loved ones are missing.

No, we would not have heard about them because our death rate comes directly from South African sources. The high commissioner and trip organisers are only concerned with South Africans. Anyway, you are contradicting yourself. You say "as if the he dodgy guest-house was specifically reserved for them and them alone". So are you saying it was reserved for others or not? And how did it fall on South Africans alone?

How is the house dodgy anyway?


2. ...it seems they were the only people in that building.

Contradicting yourself. It only makes sense that there would be more South Africans in that guest house, but that doesn't mean they were the only ones in there. Why would Nigerians stay in the guest house. There'll be other non-South Africans in the minority. So, let's wait and ee what transpires

3. That really goes without saying. And to be clear, this isn't about "why are there no Nigerian victims?", but about Saffers being the only foreign victims as if the dodgy guest-house was specifically reserved for them and them alone.

Well, you said there are only South African victims because this is a deliberate demolition to kill gullible South Africans.


4. What evidence? Hearsay?

Yesterday, I posted the direct words from engineers and officials investigating the collapse. So, it's not hearsay.

What is hearsay is that South Africans were targeted.


Anyway, until proven otherwise, I stand by my opinion that the building collapsed due to a well planned/executed demolition.

You have advanced an opinion. I quoted investigators. So, you need to decide whether you'll go by emotion or direct evidence that has surfaced to date.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 10:28am On Sep 20, 2014
4-year-old SA girl found alive at Nigeria collapse site
2014-09-19 22:34

Johannesburg - A 4-year-old South African girl was found alive at the collapsed Synagogue Church of All Nations in Lagos, Nigeria, the Gift of the Givers (GOTG) said on Friday.

The rescue of the girl, Zama, came to light when Sheik Mohammed Jamie, a GOTG representative in Nigeria, was searching for a woman whose daughter had contacted them for help, founder Imtiaz Sooliman said.

"A friend of Jamie's went first to the hospital on Wednesday to find one guy, and he was kicked out [by hospital staff]. Jamie himself then went to the same hospital later on Wednesday evening."

He was also asked to leave the hospital.

On Thursday morning, the South African embassy supplied Jamie with the names of five hospitals where South Africans were possibly being treated.

The second hospital on that list was the Subol Hospital in Lagos, which Jamie and his friend had been asked to leave on Wednesday.

Sooliman said when Jamie entered Subol Hospital again, staff were helpful.

"That's when he was pointed at and there they [the South Africans] spoke to him," Sooliman said.

"He asked if they needed anything and they said 'We haven't spoken to our family. We are injured but okay. Some of us are going to be discharged soon'."

This was when one woman who had been rescued relayed the story of Zama.

"She is still at the hospital," Sooliman said of Zama.

It was not known whether Zama's parents had survived the collapse or not.

Sooliman said both South African embassy officials and local authorities were doing their best to help.

Attacks on rescue worker

However, he had heard reports that church members had attacked and threw stones at rescue workers and members of the public trying to help at the collapse site.

SABC radio news reported the number of South Africans killed in the building collapse had increased from 67 to 84.

"The number has risen to 84," South Africa's high commissioner to Nigeria, Lulu Louis Mnguni, told the SABC in an interview on Friday morning.

He said the search for those unaccounted for had been called off. Those people were now presumed dead.

"The search has come to a conclusion. There were still 17 bodies outstanding," said Mnguni.

President Jacob Zuma announced on Tuesday that 67 South Africans were killed when the church's multi-storey guest house collapsed on Friday.

On Thursday, authorities said another 17 South Africans were still missing.

A total of 349 South Africans were in Lagos on church business when the disaster occurred. Of these, 265 were found alive.
- SAPA
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:24am On Sep 20, 2014
Nigerian Military Converts Civilian JTF to Professional Fighting Force


FG has approved the elevation of The Civilian Joint Task Force and other vigilante groups in the North East to a more professional fighting force, THISDAY reports.

Excerpt:

The Nigerian military has received the backing of the federal government to streamline the activities of the Civilian Joint Task Force (CJTF) and other vigilante groups in the North East into a more professional fighting force in the ongoing counter-terrorism operation against Boko Haram terrorists.

This is coming as more facts emerged that the recent offensive and victories of the military has turned the heat against the insurgents who are increasingly beating retreat and in disarray in most of the territories they made gains last month.

According to information obtained by THISDAY, following the approval of the federal government, the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh has set up a high powered committee to work out modalities for regulating the activities of the vigilante groups.

It was gathered that despite the fact that the CJTF members have been very useful in the ongoing fight against the terrorists, some of them have been largely blamed for some serious human rights violations, prompting the government to approve the planned regulation of their mode of operations.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit:
Motlalentoa: Well, thats coz it was a well planned demolition aimed at crushing to death scores of gullible Saffers.
There will be others. But only South Africa has constantly organisesd to release figures. Secondly, the south africans will be in the majority because nigerians would not have has to stay in the guesthouse. They would've gone home. So far, evidence suggests shoddy workmanship and unenforced regulations.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 8:21pm On Sep 19, 2014
agaugust: Did they come back with a cure for your HIV ? grin grin
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This is butthurt. Don't get mad. Get even.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 8:19pm On Sep 19, 2014
agaugust: Nigerian army has not run away from Boko Haram, we remain in the same war zone for 4 years.

South African army Usain Bolted away from the war zone in 13 hours of combat, they now sleep at home jobless grin grin
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Ok, now you're talking in your sleep. Do you enjoy denying things for the sake of denying them?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 8:17pm On Sep 19, 2014
agaugust: Nigerian air force built that device two years ago, come to and learn trade secrets
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Why don't you show us your high school project, which would no doubt fall apart at the first sign of rocky terrain? Put your money where your mouth is.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 7:50pm On Sep 19, 2014
agaugust: One single letter of threat to withdraw MTN's telecoms license, Jacob Zuma will pay Nigeria double of that $9.3 m in 24 hours
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Spoken like a true vigilante. But you know what? As long as Nigeria has designs of being respected internationally, it can't even think of such.The money is in Soweto.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:10pm On Sep 19, 2014
patches689: Is it even worth responding to this drivel?
Let me see..?

huh

Nah.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:07pm On Sep 19, 2014
DCD launches Testudo unmanned ground vehicle



DCD Protected Mobility is displaying its new Testudo unmanned ground vehicle (UGV) at the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) 2014 exhibition. It has been designed for civil and military mission, such as explosives disposal, reconnaissance, mine surveying and search and rescue.

The Testudo UGV was launched as part of an exclusive military marketing agreement between DCD Protected Mobility and CMTI Design and Consulting Engineers, which specialises in multi-disciplinary services packaged to meet individual project requirements, DCD said.

DCD Protected Mobility general manager Andrew Mears points out that the Testudo is designed for the military, and tested in the hard rock mines of South Africa. “Its unparalleled ruggedness and versatility ensures that it is capable of negating the harshest environments,” he explained.

CMTI CEO Danie Burger added that the Testudo can be equipped with a variety of work tools that can be customised to clients’ needs with minimal effort. He states: “Available in remote-controlled or autonomous options, the Testudo boasts exceptional cross-country capability, thanks to its four industrial-style excavator tracks.”

“These tracks, which are individually driven for exceptional flexibility in breaching obstacles as high as 400 mm, are driven by high torque motors to ensure a load carrying capacity of 150 kg and a top speed of more than 6 km/h. What’s more, the Testudo is powered by 60 Ah LiFeMgPO4 batteries, which can last for up to six hours on one single charge,” Mears said. The Testudo weighs 260 kg, is 410 mm in height and features a track width of 172 mm.

Mears added that the Testudo is designed according to a ‘plug-and-play’ philosophy. “All four flippers can be removed within minutes and replaced with a complete service exchange. In order to ensure a greater degree of simplicity, off-the-shelf components are available to a large extent,” he said.

Testudo is Latin for ‘tortoise’, and is also a name for a species of tortoises found in Africa, Asia, and Europe. In Ancient Roman warfare, Roman Legions made use of the Testudo formation – where men would align their shields to form a packed formation covered with shields on the front and top, thereby forming an almost impenetrable armoured shield similar to that of a tortoise’s shell.

In addition to the Testudo, DCD Protected Mobility officially launched its new medium sized utility truck (MUT), the Oribi, at AAD. The company also officially launched the first entirely autonomous Husky mine detection vehicle at the exhibition.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:05pm On Sep 19, 2014
MikeZA: Who gives a ar..se about guardian articles.
Guardian who?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:25am On Sep 19, 2014
agaugust: Useless experience, there was NO war in Tunisia 1949 ! Fool grin

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What a weak counter-argument. The strongest thing you've done is to post graphic pictures in desperation.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:20am On Sep 19, 2014
AAD: Denel announces launch of indigenous South African regional aircraft SARA

Posted 18 September 2014 · Add Comment

South Africa is to develop its own regional aircraft dubbed SARA – South African Regional Aircraft – programme, led by the country's defence giant Denel.

- See more at: http://www.africanaerospace.aero/aad-denel-announces-launch-of-indigenous-south-african-regional-aircraft-sara.html#sthash.QbTU7P2V.dpuf

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:16am On Sep 19, 2014
Patchesagain: Where does Nigeria list on the failed states rankings?
Where does South Africa?
In case there's confusion, you don't require an answer.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:07am On Sep 19, 2014
The giantlets are spinning after having donated their money to Nkandla.

http://factnewsonline.com/news/detail.php?id=628&title=Senate-Summons-Military-Chiefs-Over-Seized-.3m%2C-NSA

Senate Summons Military Chiefs Over Seized $9.3m, NSA huh

By admin on 19/09/2014

Following the seizure of Nigeria’s $9.3 million cash by the South African authorities on Monday, the Senate has asked military and the security outfits to brief its committees on the matter.

The Chairman, Senate Committee on Defence and Army, George Sekibo disclosed this in a chat with journalists on Thursday.


Those he said expected to brief the lawmakers on Tuesday are the Chief of Defence Staff, Alex Badeh, Chief of Army Staff, Kenneth Minimah and the National Security Adviser, NSA, Sambo Dasuki.

The Federal Government had admitted on Tuesday that it owned the money, which was meant for arms transaction and conveyed in a private aircraft belonging to the President of the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, Ayo Oritsejafor.


Two Nigerians and an Israeli who were in possession of the money, which has since been frozen, were also arrested.

Mr. Sekibo said the military chiefs and the NSA would tell the committee what exactly happened.

I have just called the Chief of Defence Staff, National Security Adviser and Chief of Army Staff.

I don’t want to pre-empt issues because we have not heard details about it, but they will be here on Tuesday next week,” he said.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:03am On Sep 19, 2014
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:59am On Sep 19, 2014
Before we forget, let me hit you up real quick. First black african headed to space. Mandla Maseko. Seko Power right there. First African in space. Mark Shuttleworth (what a surname). Common denom? South African. That's all.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:39am On Sep 19, 2014
sirjerry: what the? there are only hereto sign death certificate, organize family members to identify sa victim.
The word "organise" is good enough for me. Rescue experts can do nothing else but rescue. Treatment experts can do nothing but ensure that south africans receive treatment. Body identification experts can do nothing else but. Home affairs officials can do nothing but be home affairs officials.

Our team comprises all four. It is what it is.

I love the word "organise". I see serious organisation here. Contrast that with...never mind...
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:36am On Sep 19, 2014
Giantets of Africa, your money has been donated to the South African government via our courts.

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/south-african-court-okays-seizure-of-nigerias-9-3m/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

South African court okays seizure of Nigeria’s $9.3m
Posted by: Onyedi Ojaibor, Abuja in Featured, News 5 hours ago

South Africa has seized the $9.3 million Nigerian cash flown abroad a private jet into its capital, Johannesburg, from Abuja early this month.
Two Nigerians and an Israeli were travelling with the plane’s crew at the time the cash, which was not declared, was found on the plane.
South African security and Nigeria have launched an investigation into what transpired.
The explanation from Nigeria that the money was meant for arms purchase for the Nigeria intelligence agencies, has been rejected by South Africa’s Asset Forfeiture Unit (AFU) and the National Prosecuting Authority of South Africa (NPA).
The NPA, in a statement, according to online publication Premium Times, said the manner in which the money was brought into the country breached the laws that deal with the transfer of foreign exchange of such proportion. “The money was initially detained by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) as it was not disclosed or declared at customs, and was above the prescribed legal limit for the amount of cash that may be brought into the country,” it said in a statement.
The NPA, according to the medium, said its investigation showed that Tier One Services Group, the firm the Nigerian government claimed it wanted to procure the arms from, is not authorised to sell or rent military hardware.
“In court papers, the NPA submitted evidence that Tier One is not registered with the National Conventional Arms Control Committee and is thus not authorised to enter into any agreements regarding the sale and/or rental of military equipment,” the statement read.
Tier One has apparently issued an invoice to a Cyprus based company, ESD International Group Ltd, ESD, in respect of the procurement of armaments and helicopters to be delivered to Nigeria.
However, South African investigators said the time when the invoice was prepared and the time the money was brought in threw up some serious issues of its true intent.
The money was ferried to South Africa less than a week from the date the invoice was prepared (September 8, 2014). The involvement of a Cyprus based company also heightens the suspicion that this may be a case of classical money laundering. Cyprus is known for its secretive banking system.
The NPA added that the transaction did not follow normal procedure in the procurement of the kind of equipment it was alleged to have been meant for.
The Senate yesterday summoned National Security Adviser (NSA) Col. Sambo Dasuki (rtd), Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshall Alex Badeh and Chief of Army Staff Lt.-Gen. Kenneth Minimah over the smuggled $9.3 million cash.
Chairman, Senate Committee on Defence, Senator George Sekibo, said those invited to appear before his committee on Tuesday would brief members on the incident.
He said: “ I don’t want to pre-empt issues because I have not heard details about the issue but they will be here on Tuesday.”
On the soldiers sentenced to death, Sekibo said he was not surprised that death sentence was passed on the 12 soldiers because before they joined military, they were aware of the implication of being involved in mutiny.
He added that before the judgment was passed, the army must have carried out their investigation on the matter.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:32am On Sep 19, 2014
Not all nations can trust their government to look after them in foreign lands. People know who they are.

Good work by the teams and officials in Nigeria.

undecided

South African assessment team which travelled to the West African country on Wednesday said the 10 bodies were identified through reference to identity documents found in their possession.
The families of the deceased had been notified and social workers had been deployed to assist them, government said.
Officials were maintaining contact with relatives of those who were visiting the church and had asked them to send photographs of their relatives which could be used for identification purposes.
“Since the appeal made yesterday [on Wednesday] for family members to send photographs of their affected loved ones to the operations centre at dirco, we have received an overwhelmingly positive response and we appreciate this gesture of cooperation,” government said in a statement.
“We have forwarded the pictures to the South African consulate in Nigeria and the team on the ground in Lagos is making use of the pictures in the process of identifying those of our fallen compatriots who can still be identified through the use of photographs.
“We understand that some of the bodies may take a while to be positively identified due to the nature and extent of the calamity.”
A guest house belonging to the church, led by Prophet TB Joshua, collapsed and was reduced to rubble on Friday.
The assessment team has established that 349 South Africans were in Lagos on matters connected to the church when the disaster occurred.
“Of these, 265 were found alive. Out of the 84 that are unaccounted for, the figure of our compatriots that perished, as received from our mission, stands at 67,” government said in a statement.
Some of the survivors of the incident had arrived back in South Africa.
The assessment team was making arrangements for the treatment and return of those who were injured in the disaster.
“The team will also work with authorities on the process of the repatriation of the mortal remains of deceased South Africans,” said government, adding that it would ensure that all the country’s citizens were accounted for.
“The SA high commissioner and the consul-general have been working with the leadership of the church and other authorities, visiting the scene, going to hospitals and mortuaries in an effort to provide assistance to all our affected citizens,” said government.
A 24-hour operations centre had also set up at the department of international relations and cooperation to relay information from Nigeria to the families as well as to receive information from the families and to share such information with the team on the ground in Lagos.
- Sapa
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 10:27am On Sep 19, 2014
We thank the assessment and other teams, which continue to do good work under difficult conditions.

10 South Africans identified.

South African assessment team which travelled to the West African country on Wednesday said the 10 bodies were identified through reference to identity documents found in their possession.
The families of the deceased had been notified and social workers had been deployed to assist them, government said.


Officials were maintaining contact with relatives of those who were visiting the church and had asked them to send photographs of their relatives which could be used for identification purposes.


“Since the appeal made yesterday [on Wednesday] for family members to send photographs of their affected loved ones to the operations centre at dirco, we have received an overwhelmingly positive response and we appreciate this gesture of cooperation,” government said in a statement.
“We have forwarded the pictures to the South African consulate in Nigeria and the team on the ground in Lagos is making use of the pictures in the process of identifying those of our fallen compatriots who can still be identified through the use of photographs.
“We understand that some of the bodies may take a while to be positively identified due to the nature and extent of the calamity.”
A guest house belonging to the church, led by Prophet TB Joshua, collapsed and was reduced to rubble on Friday.
The assessment team has established that 349 South Africans were in Lagos on matters connected to the church when the disaster occurred.
“Of these, 265 were found alive. Out of the 84 that are unaccounted for, the figure of our compatriots that perished, as received from our mission, stands at 67,” government said in a statement.
Some of the survivors of the incident had arrived back in South Africa.
The assessment team was making arrangements for the treatment and return of those who were injured in the disaster.
“The team will also work with authorities on the process of the repatriation of the mortal remains of deceased South Africans,” said government, adding that it would ensure that all the country’s citizens were accounted for.
“The SA high commissioner and the consul-general have been working with the leadership of the church and other authorities, visiting the scene, going to hospitals and mortuaries in an effort to provide assistance to all our affected citizens,” said government.


A 24-hour operations centre had also set up at the department of international relations and cooperation to relay information from Nigeria to the families as well as to receive information from the families and to share such information with the team on the ground in Lagos.
- Sapa
Foreign Affairs › Re: Death toll of South Africans Killed In Nigeria Megachurch Collapse rises to 84 by DieVluit: 8:17am On Sep 19, 2014
raphy: God hv mercy .67foreigners so no naija dey there.how can he said its boko haram ?this look like money ritual things.
As of now, the indicative death rate for South Africans has risen to 84!

The number of South Africans killed in a building collapse in Nigeria has increased from 67 to 84, SABC radio news reported on Friday.

South Africa's high commissioner to Nigeria, Lulu Louis Mnguni, told the state broadcaster in an interview on Friday morning the death toll had gone up to 84.

“The number has risen to 84,” Mnguni said.

He said the search for those unaccounted for had been called off; and those people were now presumed dead.

“The search… has come to a conclusion. There were still 17 bodies outstanding,” said Mnguni.

President Jacob Zuma announced earlier this week that 67 South Africans were killed when the Synagogue Church of All Nations in Nigeria collapsed a week ago.

But on Thursday, authorities said another 17 South Africans were still unaccounted for.

A total of 349 South Africans were in Lagos on matters connected to the church when the disaster occurred.

Of these, 265 were found alive. - Sapa

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