₦airaland Forum

The SAAF decided to erect a transformer at Waterkloof, just cause we can.

Centrifude: Well maybe there might be an investigation considering the fact that foreigner were also killed in the accident, but don't for that High ranking official tend to get away with a lot of corruption and crimes in Nigerian, its almost exactly like what happens here in S.A

They'll have to make a call whether they believe the story about sabotage or the one about irregularities in construction. Either one of those requires an investigation. But whether there will be accountability is a different story. Anyway I found this extract from associated press:

The "steel structures" of the building failed, said Bede Obayi, head of inspection and compliance for the Standard Organisation, a Nigerian state regulatory body. Workers added two floors onto the original four-story structure, according to officials.

"We need to look at whether, because of the number of people needing to be accommodated, they added more floors without looking at the foundation," Obayi said.

His agency is investigating the collapses this year of more than 10 multi story buildings in Nigeria, where corruption in the construction industry sometimes leads contractors to take short cuts and use substandard products.

Another official, Ibrahim Farinloye of the Nigerian Emergency Management Agency, said church representatives had not co-operated, at least initially, with rescuers heading to the site, possibly slowing the effort to find survivors.

Church officials, said by former disciples to exercise tight control over members, have not responded directly to the allegation. On Tuesday, a woman who answered the telephone at the church would not give her name and would only say that the situation was under control.

onitshaigbo: If you don't believe that Prophet TB Joshua is verily a Prophet of Almighty God, you don't believe in God. God tells the Prophet so many things so that the Prophet can prophesy to his flock. The Prophet's prophesies have been proven true again and again. There is no doubt that they come from God. Who are you to criticise the Prophet of God?

There's freedom of religion in the world. Personally, I don't believe in the prophet. I don't believe he can prophesy anything. But anyone who believes in that is free to.

Centrifude: Nah next week he's going to claim that 3yrs ago he predicted that this was going to happen, its amazing how this guy predicts things after they've happened, and the worst thing is that he and his Church seem to be distancing themselves from this situation.
I highly doubt that any blame is going to be put on the Church or the person who authorised the addition of more floors

But can't we expect a criminal investigation to see if by-laws and regulation were complied with?

craziebone: @die vluit, i am not trying to make this into an SA/Naija bashing thread. On the contrary, i am only pointing out that what Mothlante said can be rather myopic or an outright disrespect to those who died and also the possibility that his taking jab at them could have roots in a desire not to see Nigerians have a dissing point against SA the next time we diss each other.

Unfortunately, these particular set of pilgrims died. But the vast majority of SAns and other nationals that troop to not only SCOAN but also Pst.Chris' Christ Embassy here in Nigeria every year do go back home with testimonies of healing and deliverance. These ppl came with that hope too but unfortunately, things turned out the way it did.

Point i am trying to make is...there is no point saying those ppl are gullible for going to seek miracles where they think they can find it. Just as we Nigerians cant get angry that some Nigerians seek medicare in your own country. It is about ppl's health and as far as they become healthy, thats all that should matter.

Ok. I hear you on that one.

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agaugust: America does not list much too, except that they killed Osama Bin Laden.

Most serious minded countries do not go about writing everything their special forces do on the internet.

How many do you read about Israeli special forces exploits on free internet?

Nigerian special forces have been fighting a 4 year long war with Boko Haram and we have posted their photos on Nairaland, so you want Nigerian army to start listing and publishing full details of what our special forces are doing in this on-going war?

You must have been canine beaten in your 'manhood' by a dog with rabies....Maaaad dog.....Maaaad man !

The long stories of South African special forces are actions done decades ago by dead or retired soldiers...

#ShowUs What South Africa's Current SpecialForces HaveAchieved InThe Past 20 years
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You say the US don't list much. You say Nigeria have no list. and then you ask for a list from south africa.

I think youre dizzy right now.your fight against Boko haram has been a total disaster. Don't even mention it. Other nations would've done way better. Everyone knows that your military has made a mess of the fight.

Chigold101: wise people think outside the box. thanks the information

Cool man. Let's see what happens

craziebone: i can see a SAn here saying disgraceful things. Calling those people gullible.

Fact is...this is not time for that. And i think you are just frustrated that your own ppl came down here to Nigeria to seek help. You are worried that Nigerians will use that as a dissing point anytime Naija/SA bashing starts here.

People go where they feel they WILL get help. Healing starts with you believing and having the assurance and confidence that when you go, you will get it! Thats the first step to healing. A man stands a better chance of getting healing from someone who is believed by many to be a healer than just any man of God. The reason is...confidence, which is also an important element of faith and faith is needed for miracles to take place...contd

Bro, let freedom of speech reign. Let's please not turn this into a Nigeria/SA thing. Objectively, the people did not get any help. They died. Having said that, they are still human beings and we feel for them. Again, they are free to believe in what they believe in. Just as people like Motlalentoa are also free to believe that this whole thing is silly. It cuts both ways. But the most important thing is that we need to respect the dead. Both Nigerians and South Africans or anyone else that perished. I agree with your main point though, that people go where they feel they will get help.

Chigold101: does it that all those that traveld from sa died? knowing how many that sa does not mean knowing how many died in that accident from sa.

Approximately 300 South Africans travelled. They were accommodated at the guesthouse that collapsed. Those that were not hurt are back in SA, according to reports. Some injured are in hospital in Nigeria. The SA experts will help the families identify the dead. SA said the families will be flown to lagos. So we will see.

Chigold101: it is a thing of joy to me that an unschooled person like me can write what a prof like u read and responded to. but from where did zuma get that if what official number from the site is far lesser?

Lol

Ok, the question was asked in South Africa too. It seems the people that helped to come up with the number were the South African organizers of the trip as well as the SA mission in Nigeria. But still, they did say caution is required. They emphasised that. Fair question. I say let's wait.

dorox: I hope you don't view this tragedy as a numbers game? Even at a grim total of 49 dead, it will still too be many dead.

This is true. Not finger pointing, but I am interested to know if there is likely to be criminal investigations or something like that? Maybe that could explain the preacher's reluctance to speak.

morpheus24: Common sense tells you that 67 people have been confirmed as having travelled FROM SOUTH AFRICA for purposes of attending activities at the church/Synagogue, until all 67 have been confirmed as dead or missing, we cannot conclusively say that 67 SA died in the building collapse.


Shikena!

Ps. the minister is not a strong speaker, she was a little jittery in her responses.

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Perhaps she was, but she did get her message across. That's all we ask for at this time.

Yeah, the gvnt people did say 67 should be taken with a bit of caution although the info relied on was "reasonably" reliable, they said. We will find out what the situation in is once the SA rescue people get there tomorrow, I hope.

To be continued another day.

May 1943. SAAF. North Africa.

New recruits at training. SAAF. 80s-90s

Private Myengwa Beleza. The Chaplain of the SNLAC Camp at Dannes. 1917. He served in France.

Original caption: "Another reason why South Africans can hold their heads high - this is the South African Air Force squadron which first 'discovered' and then photographed Auschwitz concentration camp.

Seen here is a SAAF De Haviland Mosquito FB mk VI of 60 Squadron in Italy - 3 September 1944.

The Squadron, equipped with photo-recce Mosquitoes, carried out detailed large-scale photographic surveys of German held areas, eventually ranging over the Alps and deep into Germany.

During one of these missions in Spring 1944, a 60 Squadron Mosquito piloted by Lt. C.H.H Barry and his navigator Lt. I McIntyre photographed Auschwitz when they went to photograph the rubber refinery plant next to the camp.

When the photos were analyzed, they found rows of people lining up in the camp. The photos also showed chimneys and all the other characteristics of a camp for prisoners. This, with other intelligence, brought them to the conclusions that extermination camps existed."

Fighterpilot, for you. Caption: "Here two Mirage III D2Zs, numbers 843 and 849 at the weapons camp in Langebaan in 1985 - one of which is having a 'wet start' - where excess fuel in the combustion chamber and tail pipe is burnt off in a phenomenon called 'torching' .. a flaming arse indeed."

Vlamgat

The Springboks on the Somme. WW1. Real experience right here.

Original caption: "Operation FLOTSAM: the major supply drop to Yugoslav partisans by South African Air Force and Royal Air Force units of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces. Here parachute containers, dropped from a Consolidated Liberator of No. 34 Squadron SAAF, are seen descending over the drop zone near the town of Predgrad, 30 miles south-west of Zagreb."

Original caption: "South African offensives in WW1. A haunting image showing the destruction of innocence and the disillusionment of defeat - here a wounded German prisoner, aged only 16 years old - already demonstrates the "thousand yard stare" (a condition of emotional and physical exhaustion after prolonged combat exposure). He was captured near Potijze by Scottish and South African troops, during the Battle of the Menin Road Ridge, 20th September 1917."

Real history.

61 Mech - Charlie Squadron - sitting on a destroyed Russian T55 tank. Real stuff.

Squadron 2. Korean war. Real experience.

I don't think this needs to be captioned.

Just because it's so very stunningly stunning. That's all. The Grip.

SAAF 1 Squadron Canadair CL-13B Sabre Mk VI 380 flying in the area between Potgietersrust and Pietersburg.

North Africa campaign. These guys were known as the Springboks. Here they are on patrol.

I love this caption: "Many veterans will remember this ride into and out of battle - in a tactic similar to the Vietnam War where the helicopter became the new work-horse of battle to fight fast moving insurgency, so too during the Bush War - and here is a typical image of the close support of the SAAF and the army in co-ordinated operations.

Here is a never before published photograph taken from the cockpit of a SAAF Puma Helicopter airlifting Paratrooper Fire-Force troops into action during the Border War."

Real best practice. Real skill. Real experience.

SAAF 24 Squadron. Motto: "Per Noctem Per Diem" (Through Night, Through Day). Unofficial motto: "Hit the Floor it's Two Four" (lowflying attacks). Below: 24 Squadron Buccaneer over Southern Angola. Operation Modular.

Real experience. At fort Mega. Ethiopia.

It is what it is y'all. Real experience. SA 1st infantry division. East Africa. WWII. Wot it do.

1st S.A. Division columns cross the rolling grasslands during their advance to into Abyssinia. WWII