Griffon: Do you expect any rational thought from a man who is obsessed with the promise of a certain heaven or some virgins afterlife?
You can replace heaven or some virgins in afterlife with money/wealth or power or promotion, free high class oloshos or quality shayo or health or brand-new Ferrari/Bugatti or penthouse suite or yacht etc... on earth. my brother what's your point?
donjazet: As someone posted earlier, at THIS POINT, going to vote for a third party candidate is a waste of time when you know the impossible odds of that candidates number making a dent not to talk of winning, however one can still enact change in other people's mind by relentlessly educating and informing others of the need for change both in person and on social media. On my watsapp, facebook, twitter and instagram page, I constantly advocate for radical change in our political and religious mindset. Overtime, more will key into this.
I have made a lot of people around me start questioning what they believe, that's effective work if you ask me.
My guy radical change won't happen through social media, especially in a place like Nigeria. But if you desire radical change you must work for it. You and your people would need to face the system.
gensteejay: Who has time to dignify a deranged person with a response? You will kolomental tire
Personally, I know of people that are planning to spend lots of funds on hajj but a number of their kids aren't doing well financially, and those funds could do a lot to ensure they're financially empowered.
The phrase, “Olohun a se e" (god will do it), is the common utterance this sort of parents make to escape looking at the issue critically.
donjazet: You do know that you are very guilty of this? Going through all your posts, a pattern of hyper aggression is visible.
You are the one that mostly instigates mudslinging with your condescending responses when ever you come across an opinion you don't like. Use your hand and go through your posts and see how easy it is for you to start insulting people or being indirectly condescending to them. Your Bible tells you to remove the plank in your eye before removing the speck in anothers.
Have you checked the mirror lately? Or do you need me to start posting receipts? You of all people should stay clear of this type of post my guy.
BlueRayDick: Yes u are right that Nigerians may likely not support anybody that contests outside Apc or PDP. This has nothing to do with religion.
Politics is a game of numbers. Nobody wants to support a candidate is almost certain he's going to lose. So why waste the vote?
Do u know the reason why people like Sowore, Moghalu and the likes that want to form third force will continue to lose? It is because they do not understand Nigeria's politics is best played at the grassroot. You don't win elections via online poll or social media posts.
Since may 2019 when Buhari has been sworn in, what majority of those guys have been doing is criticizing, calling for a never-happening revolution and some just staying quiet for reasons best known to them. They have 4 good years ahead of them to prepare for an election and what Sowore has done is to get arrested, released, rearrested and released for the past one year.
For a serious third force their focus would've been to at least make sure they have presence in all the 774 local governments in Nigeria, hold ward meetings weekly, encourage their members to invite their friends and colleagues to join them as time goes on. That is how a party following is built at the grassroots. How do you think Apc keeps winning Lagos? I do see them in my area, the elderly ones and the younger generations holding ward meetings weekly. Do u know those Apc members have membership cards?
When people see them go to these ward meetings for complete 3 years, it builds a kind of image in the mind of the people that this is a serious party that means business. Not some young former SUG president chasing clout. This instills a certain confidence in the voting public and they will do away with the fear that their votes will be lost.
Honestly I like Sowore, dem Moghalu because on the surface they look like they mean well for the populace, but they still need to understand that the electioneering process doesn't start a year to general election. That is why PDP keeps losing in Lagos ; the people are yearning for a change of power, but PDP's presence in the localities is almost non existent prior to an election year
Bro you've said it all in your post above.
BlueRayDick: Honestly calling people fooools, shouting them down in a discussion/argument won't make them accept Ur views. In fact they will despise what message u think u are trying to pass.
Thus far, there has not been any irrefutable prove to show that Nigeria's number 1 problem is religion.
My guy you no see me see wahala. Ordinary to go vote na problem but you'd find them all over social media shouting upandan and forming rubbish. The youngest head of state was 31years yet these old men siddon for one corner dey deceive themselves say religion be their problem...lol
BlueRayDick: I grew up in Muslim-Christian home. My old man is a Muslim and my mum a Christian. Till date I've never seen my parents quarrel( I don't even mean fight, I mean quarrel).....They may have their differences which they sort out in the corner of their room, but we the children saw loving parents who married out of love and live their life by the happy choice they made.
I kid you Not, some inter-religious marriages are way solid than intra-religious ones. In fact, growing up in such homes makes one tolerant of other people's religious and non-religious views. I personally won't flare up and start calling people fooools and insult them as being not enlightened because of their religious views ( like some people do here on nairaland)
BlueRayDick: Yes u are right that Nigerians may likely not support anybody that contests outside Apc or PDP. This has nothing to do with religion.
Politics is a game of numbers. Nobody wants to support a candidate is almost certain he's going to lose. So why waste the vote?
Do u know the reason why people like Sowore, Moghalu and the likes that want to form third force will continue to lose? It is because they do not understand Nigeria's politics is best played at the grassroot. You don't win elections via online poll or social media posts.
Since may 2019 when Buhari has been sworn in, what majority of those guys have been doing is criticizing, calling for a never-happening revolution and some just quite for reasons best known to them. They have 4 good years ahead of them to prepare for an election and what Sowore has done is to get arrested, released, rearrested and released for the past one year.
For a serious third force their focus would've been to at least make sure they have presence in all the 774 local governments in Nigeria, hold ward meetings weekly, encourage their members to invite their friends and colleagues to join them as time goes on. That is how a party following is built at the grassroots. How do you think Apc keeps winning Lagos? I do see them in my area, the elderly ones and the younger generations holding ward meetings weekly. Do u know those Apc members have membership cards?
When people see them go to these ward meetings for complete 3 years, it builds a kind of image in the mind of the people that this is a serious party that means business. Not some young former SUG president chasing clout. This instills a certain confidence in the voting public and they will do away with the fear that their votes will be lost.
Honestly I like Sowore, dem Moghalu because on the surface they look like they mean well for the populace, but they still need to understand that the electioneering process doesn't start a year to general election. That is why PDP keeps losing in Lagos ; the people are yearning for a change of power, but PDP's presence in the localities is almost non existent prior to an election year
You are wasting your time with this one. Person go siddon dey form critical thinker meanwhile all him reasoning na to confuse himself more. He can't even see beyond his nose.
gensteejay: And you see any sense in this? I should take responsibility for what exactly?
Take responsibility of your life and your environment to start with.
gensteejay: Talking about going for posts, why don't you come back to Nigeria and join politics since you love taking responsibility so much? Must a person join politics to contribute to nation-building?
Who asked you to go for a post? With all your noise making and critical thinking you still failed to get the message…lol. How else can you contribute to your nation if all you do is complain while those who are interest in politics run circles around you?
gensteejay: All these things are simply too much for your IQ to process because your posts on this issue are bereft of any ideas showing you lack even the slightest understanding of the magnitude of the rot this country is in. How do you expect my IQ to process your emptiness? The rot in Nigeria is well defined in people like you who’ve never lifted a finger to help the system.
People that are smart will have already seen that a number of factors such as religion, low literacy level, and tribalism work together to keep Nigeria in the doldrums.
This is part of the lies you keep telling yourself. You can’t be smart yet allow yourself to be played by the factors you’ve mentioned. Even the so-called illiterates are the people controlling things to some extent in your environment while politically lazy/dead youths like yourself continue to lament.
gensteejay: But people like you can't even understand the root causes of the Nigerian problem. When you can't identify the problems, the solution will remain elusive.
Shut up you dimwit! You talk about the system like you understand how it works. What is the use of all the ancient history you’ve been wasting your time studying if you still don’t understand fundamentals of life? Where are the solutions you’ve proffered? You had your chance to shine earlier in the day but chose to run away when it became obvious that your conspiracies won’t bail you.
gensteejay: All you simply do is put the blame on corrupt leaders as if they are aliens and are not drawn from the Nigerian people.
But the leaders are only a reflection of the people. And when the majority are mentally lazy folks that rely solely on praying to a god for the good things of life yet do next to nothing to make things better, then the few smart ones around will keep on leaving for saner climes.
The Nigerian problem is one of (warped) mentality, occasioned by superstitious religious beliefs and low literacy level.
You’ve succeeded in describing yourself and those in your circle. You are not interested in the politics (your environment), but you wish to go to saner climes where the citizens have thoroughly invested in the happenings around them?
gensteejay: When most learn to focus less on the gods and God and prioritize science, education, and research, then Nigeria's rise to greatness will start.
Anyone with common sense would know that you can't place more value on religion (by littering all the streets with churches and mosques, wasting billions of naira yearly on pilgrimages to Israel and Saudi) and relegate youth education to the background, and yet you want a better Nigeria.
Yes, I agree with you. But how do you change this if all you do is lament on the pages of NL?
gensteejay: Personally, I know of people that are planning to spend lots of funds on hajj but a number of their kids aren't doing well financially, and those funds could do a lot to ensure they're financially empowered.
The phrase, “Olohun a se e" (god will do it), is the common utterance this sort of parents make to escape looking at the issue critically.
I knew it… Why am I not surprised by this? Of course, the entitled mentally. Let the parents not spend their hard-earned money the way they desire because they’ve got grown kids waiting for their parent’s bailout funds. I won’t be surprised if this is you indirectly telling us your story or the reality you’ve been dealing with.
gensteejay: Their priority is mainly on worshipping and pleasing their god to make heaven. Is it not more reasonable to create this heaven on earth?
If you’ve earned money, I believe it’s your right to determine where you want to create your heaven. You can even create it in your dreams ffs it’s your bloody money.
gensteejay: Apart form petrodollar, hope you know that Saudi realizes billions of dollars every year through mumus that keep visiting the country for religious tourism.
If many of our ancestors in this part of the world were clever, cunning, and pugnacious like the warmongers and expansionists that designed Islam, they would have also imported Olohun to the nooks and crannies of the world as the Supreme God.
And revenues from mumus that do pilgrimage every year to Nigeria to worship our local deities like Osun, Yemoja, Olohun, Chineke as God will be humongous and help spur the country to development.
But African traditional worshippers don't realize that no religion can grow without things like violence (blood shed) and distortion of historical facts, vices their counterparts in Christianity and Islam had long mastered.
Generally, many religious people can't see the danger of wallowing in worshipping the gods/goddesses.
Religion unites people? When a father can even kill or starve his own child for having the guts to challenge religious beliefs or think independently.
Well, this sort of discussion isn't even worth having anyways when most don't even realize that they're slaves and that they've been scammed, indoctrinated from childhood to believe lies.
Smart people, on reaching adulthood, would critique all those dubious religious beliefs they've been fed with from childhood and subject them to scrutiny and test of logic.
Religion (mental slavery) will always limit a person's brain development and will always limit a nation's progress.
In 2023 general elections, religion will yet again be one of the key factors that will determine the people that will be chosen to lead the country in various capacities.
So, those that can see and think deeply know the Nigerian situation is really a hopeless one. The rot is too deep.
That's why those that are financially capable are doing everything possible to leave the sinking ship or keeping one foot here and the other in a developed country.
By 2023, a number of regulars here will have left the country, and the brain drain will keep on taking place. But most religious people believe praying for a better Nigeria is the way forward.
You come across as someone who never takes responsibility, but would rather play the blame game. While you've concluded on things that will happen in 2023, people that don't make excuses and love responsibilities are working on things they intend to achieve in 2023 already.
You've been here screaming critical thinking, insulting Nigerians and blaming religious people and religion for all your troubles in life. But you don't belong to a party! You don't attend ward meetings! You don't attend national meetings! You don't vote! But you believe that religion is your problem...lol. You've not started your journey yet in life
donjazet: The fact that many Nigerians are apolitical or have an apathy towards voting is no hidden knowledge. We have a situation whereby just 20 million out of 200 million people voted.
The reasons for this are not farfetched either, one, we still have a very young democracy, a large number of the entire population from 30 years and above were used to military dictatorial regimes or faked democratic regimes.
2.very High illiteracy and poverty run rampant all across the country, very few of the larger populace have access to correct information hence many fall away to propaganda from the elite and ruling class.
However that can change as more people become better informed with the continuous technological developments.
How did religion contribute to your first paragraph? How is religion responsible for illiteracy, poverty across the country and lack of access to correct information?
P:S - Those illiterates and the elderly are the people actively participating in politics while youths like yourself blame religion without doing anything.
biomustry: Religion is never the problem, there are developed religious countries, even America that u look up to was developed by its religious leaders..The average Nigerian is a bigot and wicked somebody. Atheism won't change that in naija
Even the so-called Nigerian atheist and critical thinkers I've come across on NL are as bad as or worse than the religious people they so much despise.
donjazet: By Standing behind a credible candidate who is not a member of the current political class. Someone in the mould of Sowore but with lesser baggage.
Hehehehe.....
Over 70% of Nigerian youths don't belong to any party. But you want to have a credible candidate to stand behind....una never start
donjazet: Nigeria has had 3 prominent problems since the inception of the country. Religious bigotry, tribalism and high illiteracy.
Of the 3 major problems, religion is the key problem because it prohibits peaceful coexistence. A religious mind will always be judgemental and suspicious towards other different religions or nonreligious people. Because for the religion to survive and thrive, it has to perceive others as threat.
Religion is soo polarising and divisive that it can hardly ever be united itself. That's why you have a situation where a Catholic will despise Pentecostal churches and the Pentecostal churches will even despise and distrust themselves.
If we somehow eradicate religion and tribalism from our country, every other thing will fall into place.
In advanced countries where those things are minimal, you see progress and unity.
In America for instance, you have situations where an atheist man(Obama) born and raised in Hawaii can become a senator of Illinois, and a man born in newyork can become a senator of Vermont. Even an athestic immigrant from another country all together becomes a governor of one the second richest state California. Can you imagine that happening in Nigeria? The moment we can begin think beyond our religious and tribal difference or eradicate them permanently, we will move forward together.
We have to remove religion from all learning institutions. That will be a good first step.
You, gensteejay and madrid5 never start....lol. You people keep pointing your fingers in the wrong direction, blaming religion and other things while leaving yourselves out of it.
Simple question: which of you 'non-religious persons' is a card carrying party member?
madrid5: I am sure u know the meaning of revolution right,why I am not an advocate for violence,it will take a nigh revolutionary changing in thinking,attitude and education for Nigeria to progress,I just hope at least one of those african countries get better so at least I can bail if Europe and America nor work,because I don't see any meaningful change for a long time.
You are not religious! You've seen a greater path which should put you in a better place compared to those Nigerians who are religious, yet your personal revolution is to run away and not be the problem solver. But you think the problem of this country is religion
madrid5: religion is the worst prison in the world because it is the only one where it's prisoners want to remain there no wonder Karl Marx called it the opium of the masses. for instance just ask the people I know what are their plans in making it in life,u are more likely to hear "na god grace" than detailed plans about finances,tech,logistics or even migration,most people do not protest because "god will punish our leaders"imagine if the French didn't behead their king but waited for God to act. So that's how bad religion and superstition are for national pysche,while absense of religion doesn't necessarily make a person critical,but religion damages reason for majority of people. It is a fact that the richiest countries are the most atheistic,America is the only first world country where religion is still important,and richiest US states are the less religious(California/NY,masshachusetts).so religion is inversely proportional to wealth/education.
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Speak for yourself and those you know my guy.
So, your solution is for Nigerians to protest and behead their leaders. Do you have any other solution you'd like to add?
gensteejay: You expect a nation that has far, far larger number of mosques and churches than schools, research institutes, hospitals, and companies to develop and grow?
I do understand what you are saying here, but I think you’ve got it twisted. This has more to do with the government failing in their duties and nothing to do with religion. As a matter of fact, over the years churches and mosques have done more in these areas when compared to what the government have done.
Well, I didn't expect more from a person that believes in miracles.
And, how is this even relevant?
Perhaps, future generations of Nigerians and Africans will be smarter by placing more value on science, education, and research than worshipping dead gods and goddesses that don't exist on this plane any longer and pay no heed whatsoever to them.
Do I need to hold any government responsible when I know nearly all our leaders have the same warped mentality about religion like a major percentage of the masses?
We should blame religion for the irresponsible leaders we’ve had overtime. Lol… you are reaching my guy.
Our leaders are simply a reflection of the masses.
Yes!! They reflect those who’d rather blame others than themselves.
Religious people believe in miracles, which explains the fact that many would vote a dullard like Buhari and are still expecting him and praying for him to deliver.
This is a lie! The first election Buhari won was down to the fact that people had to choose between someone they didn’t want anymore (Goodluck) and the one who stood a chance to replace him (Buhari). They chose Buhari…
The second election was down to many major factors and religion can’t be said to be one of them.
Nigerians ignorantly feel we can pray our way to greatness. And sadly many of us feel that way, including the political class.
That's a recipe for disaster. Praying for a better Nigeria for the next 100 years won't change a thing, until we put religions aside, focus less on these fake, imported gods, and work to make the country better. Belief in miracles and billion, trillions of prayers don't make a country great; we've to first change our mentality, need to be less fixated on God, and believe we're the ones that create our reality.
I do agree that most Nigerians are ignorant including yourself. But it has nothing to do with their religious believe or the reason why they pray, rather it’s got more to do with what they’ve failed do as a collective people. I say so because while you’re busy blaming others for praying or their religious affiliations, you’ve failed to proffer any clear or tangible solution.
That change in mindset will enable us to elect smart leaders with ideas irrespective of religious, ethnic and political affiliations, allowing us to place more values on science, education, and research.
Sadly, I don't see that happening in our time; most people I know are too dumb to engage in deep, critical thinking, and religions have done (and still continue to do) a lot of damage to people's critical thinking.
You’ve stated severally that religion should be abandoned because it’s the major problem. So, assume we’ve all decided to abandon our faith as you’ve advised. Could you clearly demonstrate or give us the process of how our move from religion (change of mindset) will enable us to create the reality of electing a smart leader?
P:S – Just because the government failed to create an enabling environment for science, education and research to blossom don’t mean Nigerians as a people don’t already place values on them or have failed in these areas.
Guy, I don’t know where you are getting your stats from, but I can clearly tell you that you are chatting rubbish. I've edited the last paragraph of your post. Henceforth, speak for yourself and those Nigerians you know. Thank you.
timbros: When you start losing argument, this is your next line of action: insults.
Very immature of you.
But a serial liar like you is not immature, right?
Remind me again...what's the argument about?
You f00l blatantly lied I called VVD the best epl defender but when called upon to produce a proof of your claim, you chose to hide behind useless bants.
It is not the first, second or third time you've lied and chose not to admit or acknowledge your mistake. So I'm not sorry if my immaturity is allergic to a matured old bloody liar like yourself!
larride: Did you actually listen to those Sowore videos I posted?
How is calling for protest and revolution the same thing? Can you bring out any video where Buhari said half of what Sowore said in those videos I posted?
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