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Ibime:
Àt least the football, science, politics and even Christianity and Islam we discuss here are useful to know for social situations. I just can't see how having an in-depth knowledge of Dead Sea Scrolls or Ancient Egyptian gods will profit me in this life. It's not for me.

My brother I tire. I want to believe it's a phase thing for him.

I grew up with such books in my dads library. My dad still go tell you say na you and your God. Life is not that deep.
If e no go give me money or solve my issues I won't even bother myself tbh.

No time to spend this short life chasing useless knowledge.

Ibime:
Gesteenay post fit give man headache sha.

He rejects newer religions for science, then at the same time embraces older religions over science, saying science will figure it out later.

Anyway, all these ancient philosophy no dey profit pocket so I can't come and kill myself.

Naim make me call am the confused one yesterday. Him still dey try find him truth, but hopefully things go dey clearer for am over time.

Leyqute:
Well said. Ekpa Diggz don rotten patapata. He talks anyhow.

Ogbeni rauf aregbesola bassey legbegbe leyqute

Melvyn11:
I am thinking France but dembele is not a starter for France .

Definitely France

Griezmann

gensteejay:
You can't understand why an atheist or an irreligious person feels using the brain comes first before any other things Unlike a typical Muslim or a Christian that puts holy books first.

Exactly 2 years ago, I left religions upon reading a series of books on history of religions.

The years one wastes in worshipping a god is appaling. When you can use that time to read key books to gain knowledge and enlightenment.

Since I became irreligious, I have read many books from diverse philosophies and religions and have become more knowledgeable.

Wish I had left much sooner; I would have put the brain to much better use and gained a lot of deep (esoteric) knowledge.

Religions put you in a box.

You make a lot of assumptions my guy, but time is there to correct this.

Wish you all the best in your search.

[quote author=Leyqute post=88393440][/quote]Leyqute legbegbe wetin happen?

eph12:
You don't even know my position on this matter, you're already feeling attacked.

Which of those core aspects gave you the boldness to make such claim as regards isthar and easter? Do you have any verified link one can use to read up assuming this does not involve your use of the brain core aspect?

The young man still feels insecure in whatever knowledge he thinks he's gathered. This accounts for why he butts into every discourse labelling those who don't share similar thoughts with him as ignorant. Also, it accounts for assumptions made whenever he engages you or any other person in a discourse.

He portrays a level of arrogance usually found in those still in search of their truth, but think they've learnt enough to label people and their believe.

For context see below;

Personally, these are core aspects of my own approach to life: use of the brain, science, history, philosophy and logic, holy books.

Abeg what do you use when you study science, history, philosophy, logic and holy books,etc

Do you use your pr1ck?

My guy literally metamorphosed from being a Muslim boy to all these in less than 5 years.

Wetin P.N Okeke no go see ontop wannabe scientist of NL.

The real supreme god(the source), yet unknown.

The confused one!

gensteejay:
Can you state the Einstein's law of God or a supreme being that laid out "everything"? Or Newton's version, or Archimedes' version? And let's see their empirical proofs and mathematical basis.

When you can't separate personal beliefs from scientific knowledge, based on hard facts.

I've had enough of your nonsense my guy. Provide empirical proofs/mathematical basis of your real god( your source) or fcxk off from this place with your confused rants.

gensteejay:
Yes, according to the hermetic philosophy, God is unknowable, meaning only It knows Itself.

In other words, the parts (humans, animals, plants, other things in existence) can't comprehend the Whole (the All).

I feel that particular philosophy is right about the concept of God.

The impostors people worship in religions as God are human-like entities. Anyone with a basic level of intelligence can spot their human-like attributes in holy books, except they're indoctrinated.

Fvck your feelings! Provide me with Empirical proofs/mathematical basis for your confused rants.

gensteejay:
Getting where? Religious people ignorantly assume everyone sees the concept of God like them.

The simple fact is, anything that exists must have a Source.

But all gods and goddesses of religions are not the Source. They're only aspects (parts) of the Source, just like everything else in existence is.

Religions are man-made tools for mind control and political control. The real Supreme God (Source) is unknowable, doesn't interfere with human affairs, and is starkly different from the advanced beings people worship as gods in ignorance in religions.

Singapore1:
gensteejay is obviously an agnostic

ibime is someone who believe in christ i guess but doesn't believe in certain doctrine ( he hates Pentecostal e.g them adeboye, t.b joshua, chris , oyedepo etc )

BlueRayDick issues is with some pastors

iamoyindamola is probably a muslim but doesnt believe in certain doctrine in islam too ( but favours islam in all his conversation )

digzz izzou airmark odizeey Greatihex ( this one is probably a pastor ) and co full blown christian who believe in tithes and will pay tithes till they die

bro dayo doesn't like modern day christian


the rest i didnt mention probably fall in any of the listed categories

I no be pastor anything. Tbh....I'm extremely far from being one. But I do believe in God and Jesus Christ as my personal lord and saviour which is my own personal kaya.

Ibime:
I was the opposite when I played striker. I liked them to hit me straight away with long ball or channel ball, let me do the dribbling straight to goal. My favourite team mate was our right-back cos when he get the ball, it's straight ball down the channel.

Meanwhile we had one skillful Moroccan boy in midfield. Anytime he plays, they would just be enjoying themselves playing pam-pam passes in midfield wasting my time while I'm waiting for ball. I'd rather you give me a 50:50 ball every two minutes than try to give me a clean ball every 10 minutes

This cracked me up

The real supreme God(Source) is unknown

Laumdeuter abeg come see something abeg

Greatihex:
I have never seen a person more confused in my lifetime, him and oga raum.

May the Lord help them. Amen.

Instead make dem dey dia dey make those wey believe in God dey dia dey, dem go dey disturb us when no be say we disturb dem o!

God - given brain! We are getting there gradually

raumdeuter:
Dickkzz oko Stephanie, Grace and Sandra

Laumdeuter oko ashawo

You read say juju/magic dey exist?

Dayo?!

No source!

raumdeuter:
Some people give to those they will never see and don't even have the assurance that it gets to them

Some people give and dont get anything back in any way

My father told me years ago when you give, give with all your heart. You are likely never to receive back from the person you've given or helped, but you will always receive it. E never fail me until today guy.

I don tell ibime say all man na per head, so do wetin you think works best for you

raumdeuter:
Which is why I said if you give to help the poor, I don't see a problem with that cause Bill Gates sef an atheist gives most of his money to fight diseases in Africa.

Do you think he is doing it to get some blessings? He is simply compassionate on suffering people

Lol... except you've never given before there's always a good feeling which comes with it. You can interpret the good feeling to mean several things or in several ways. Na blessing be that good feeling ogbeni

Try being kept and fed with howfar you've come in life, expecting handouts from your partner / wife and sibling for a change. You will understand the difference between giving and receiving.

raumdeuter:
Remove tithes and add tithe to others will they be as successful

If we have rich atheists who have never tithed then it blows away the theory

Your mistake is that you think everyone who tithe do so because of monetary increase. You should do some more research if you want to keep up with this your argument.

I'm assuming you're aware that sex with those your oloshos is not for procreation purposes only, but for pleasure etc

Ogbeni do ya research well

raumdeuter:
I see a poor woman on the street I don't have to be religious to want to help her

And what payback will I be expecting from a beggar on the streets

Is there any evidence that paying tithes to church bring increase?

One of the criteria for plant to grow is to be in a soil
One of the criteria to become educated is to go to a school
One of the criteria for pregnancy is for semen to enter a woman

How is tithing a criteria to be rich ?

Go ask those who are faithful in paying their tithes if it works for them or not. Abi which other evidence do you need?

raumdeuter:
BS

There are many givers who lack

There are many who dont give that never lack.

Lack money or lack peace of mind and happiness lack what exactly ogbeni?

raumdeuter:
I see a poor woman on the street I don't have to be religious to want to help her

And what payback will I be expecting from a beggar on the streets

Givers never lack

Maybe that little good is to make you feel happy for collecting your over bloated salary/ compensating for all the money you've spent on your oloshos. Maybe your intention is to get some peace of mind and not necessarily an increase in kudi

raumdeuter:
If offering is to help the less privileged in the society I believe in that

But if giving is in expectation of some increase, then its a scam just like giving 100k to MMM to get 10million back

You believe in offering to help the less privileged.

Omg...you should've maintained the yahoo boy lines instead of dropping this bomb

According to you;

- Farmers sow to expect a decrease.
- Your parents sent you to school so you can remain a child for life and not develop or grow.
- You give your money to your financial advisers to manage so you can get same value you invested in return or a decrease.
- When you fvck and put sperm inside those your oloshos, you expect them to reproduce sperm instead of a baby.

Dayo abeg rest you hear

raumdeuter:
The falsehood of saying by giving tithe is how you can become successful

Someone gave a tithe of 1million and got a contract of 1 billion

Conning the people

Just like a fraudster will say pay 1million as facilitation fees for a NNPC contract

Ok. We should replace the word offering with tithe. Are you against offering too?

raumdeuter:
Can we also say yahoo boys and fraudsters are blameless since they didn't put a gun to anybody's head to pay them?

And most of those defrauded are adults

Like religious leaders, A fraudster sells you falsehood to collect your money or blackmails you to collect the money

What falsehood have they sold you? How many you don buy?

airmark:
Ibime wey say juju no dey, but him dey send monthly hard currencies to his priest in Rivers state, since god-knows-when.

No pastor will force me to do what i can't do. I know what is spiritually right and wrong regarding offerings.

In fact my church give food stuff and provisions for the needies in the church and outside, every month end, from our offerings and i am ok by it.

Go to a church where the pastors are led by the spirit and not by dollars.

Thank you bros.

Cc ibime

Stop blaming others for the actions of an adult/adults. Pastors no dey put gun for anybody head to pay tithe or offerings

airmark:
I think say na Fenibeso only, requires palm oil, bitter kola, fowls, cow, eggs, cowries etc, i didn't know its priest also requires monthly cash donation, before Fenibeso can work.

You dey answer Ibime...lol

Ibime claims naija churches no like science then e start to vex say naija churches dey collect tithe and offerings with the same science him claim say dem no like. You don see this type thing before? Fenibeso must be sleeping overtime with those direct debits to dey misinform my guy like this

Ibime:
Is it everybody that make epayments? Lemme tell you, you have to sell the sermon every Sunday to cajole people to give. 70% of Winners members will not have access or data to watch the sermon online. The cell structure will help deliver that message down and also sweep up the cash donators also who make up a good chunk of donations

You know this how? Do you have any reliable data to back this your statement?

Whoever gives tithe or offering willingly don't need sunday sunday Sermon to do so bros. You go give if you wan give, if you no wan give you no go give.

I know that your cousin wey dey donate him money go find any means use pay still. Him no need any pastor to tell am shyte. Same way most people who never gave going to church won't give kobo if dem press sermon for their face from monday to sunday.

E go shock you the number of people who make epayments in Nigeria. You think all those roadside minibanks for deposits, transfers and withdrawals just open shop for nothing abi?

Ibime:
All churches have cell structure. The new twist to the cell structure during this lockdown period is how tithes and offerings will be flowing efficiently from cell structure back to the main church. Check with a Winners cell structure leader near you

So because of lock down the church shouldn't continue as normal? You should tell uk government not to collect their tax from your salary because of lock down or make you stop paying your bills or collecting your salary because of lock down

Make I tell you no be today e-payments start with churches no just go dull yourself thinking say na covid19 initiate am. Nigerian Banks done sell those eproducts give churches almost a decade now. No dull am bros

Ibime:
I am not a sheeple. You can buy those Interpol story if you want.

Any of these fraudsters that saw this coming would have long set-up a smooth tithe and offering system that would ensure their dolapo is still coming steady from members on lockdown. See Oyedepo scrambling last minute to set up cell structure after Govt announced lockdown. If he knew, he would have put these systems in place when God told him.

Stop it!! Cell structure wey dey winners since 90's! Bros find another thing talk

larride:
No need to drag this further boss. Happy Easter.

Happy Easter bro