₦airaland Forum

larride:
Yes they are accountable, that is why even if they loot, they look for an excuse to justify their loot.

Every human can look for/will have an excuse to justify any wrong they've done.

Even the road side thief or armed robber go get shalaye to justify why him steal. Tell me something different or new bro

Ibime:
The pressure is only Naija hungry man factor, same way your village boys will pressure you to drop dolapo before you sink borehole in your village. No Catholic priest can point to any document from Vatican prescribing certain tithes, offerings or levies. If enough people have evidence against the father doing such, Diocese go redeploy am to Ogoni.

Story bro.

Izzou just summarize and put my own agenda forward for this entire discourse.

Ibime:
Did any Catholic priest ask you for 10%? He may pressure you for offerings, but the minute he start talking tithe or any prescribed percentage, he knows Diocese will recall him and redeploy him to Seminary in Maidugiri.

Why is this even acceptable and the other is not? Pressure 10%, pressure 20times offering, building projects etc in one mass. What is the difference? Pressure na pressure...if you call one evil, please name the rest as such.

Ibime:
Oga, my wife and Children attend Church of England and I join them at times. We don't pay any tax. I've never heard any preaching about offering or tithe. If we put £5 inside collection plate make them take am like that. Na wetin most people dey put inside. If not for shame, na coins I go put inside sef.

Do you know any Catholic that pays a fixed percentage of their income?

Na only Pentecostals go dey talk tithe, some even carry first fruit add. I'm not talking just Naija, but Pentecostals everywhere, although our Naija ones take it to another level.

When last did you attend the organised churches in Nigeria? I don tell you say you no sabi wetin you dey talk. I am from a catholic home. Na father bury my papa.

Bros...even the dey of the burial mass be like say na banza...na from one offering to another naim father dey mention.

Meanwhile just because those western churches done slow down on money matters no mean say they were not deeply involved in it in the past.

eph12:
Because we no sabi our right from left no mean say right and left no dey. If politician no dey accountable to us, its our fault, not the politicians fault

Wetin concern king with this talk now?

Which useless right? Chinese people no sabi their rights or Russians no sabi their right or those in majority of middle east no sabi their rights?

larride:
But politicians are “meant” to be accountable to those that elected them, NO?

Meant? But are they in anyway accountable to those that elected them?

Ibime:
Catholic Church do not have much issues with Science. Any issue you can bring is mostly moral or ethical issues.

All these developed countries you are seeing now fought their religious authorities to a standstill and made them respect reason over religion. Catholic Church killed a lot of people for saying the Earth is round. Their populace taught them a bloody lesson and put them in their place, to where if the State says penicillin kills Bacteria, they would not argue again.

Any society that made progress limited the effect of development-hampering Religion on their people. Even China had to shut that shït down in their quest for progress. Yes, we will celebrate religous holidays. We will give the Church a seat in the infrastructure of the State in recognition that it is part of our culture. We will even claim the religion and identify as Christians or Muslims, but we will not allow medieval thinking hamper our progress.

That's just my own.

Are you now claiming our churches have issues with science because some pastors made a mistake with the 5G/covid19 issue?

eph12:
Lol politicians are accountable to us. We get to vote them out if they mess up. It's not the same thing with pastors

If I slap you ehn! Which f00lish politician is accountable to you? You sabi wetin you just type for there at all? The king in your village is still accountable to you abi? I go e-slap you this morning ephraim.

obainojazz:
I can bet 90percent of church goers no dey pay tithe.. some no even dey pay complete
All these naija pastors and tithe brouhaha na just story.. na donations churches dey use get money..

Ogbeni no be only naija pastors dey talk about tithe. If you like pay, if you no like no pay. Na your personal business be that one.

Ibime:
Do the organised churches force you to pay a prescribed percentage of your income?

Tithe is simply a medieval Jewish taxation system which the Jews used to support their Civil Service (the Levites) who were given no other work but to be Civil Servants of the Jewish state.

Jews these days do not pay tithe, having progressed to a more modern tax system, yet one foolish Pastorpreneur will fill your brain with pap and force you to pay tithe while you are also simultaneously paying tax to Govt. Thunder go fire am!

I will not say more than that due to people getting emotional about religion, but those are the cold facts. Moses expressly said that Tithe is simply to pay for the work the Levites who are their Civil Servants.

So if Sam Adeyemi insist on tithe, that would make him a fraudster whether Eph12 agree or not.

Show me a pastor wey put gun for person head to pay tithe? Which useless organised churches no dey pay tax? You definitely no sabi anything wey you dey talk bro!

eph12:
1. Whose general rule is this?
2. What do you mean by tithe-preaching pastor? You talking about enforcement of tithing?

Enforced tithing or not... every institution dey this table directly or indirectly, not just churches.

You no dey pay tax to your state and FG for naija? Are they accountable to you in anyway?

Ibime:
Whether Sam Adeyemi or Jackie Chan, general rule is if he is a tithe-preaching pastor, he is a scam.

Na so! Your organised churches with constitutued authorities no dey inside abi? Well done

Ibime:
TD Jakes na fraudster join.

At least Catholic church dey mostly respect themselves rather than filling their supporters brains with pap. Science dealt them bloody blow in the medieval ages, and it is on record, that's why they respect science, not doing anything goes like our Pentecostal Pastorpreneurs. For example, even before Italy lockdown, Vatican already respect the virus and went on lockdown. Even a week ago when Wike said all churches in Rivers State can open for Easter, Catholic Diocese quickly respect themselves and released statement that no Catholic church will open. When you have an organised Church that work hand in hand with Constituted Authorities like the Catholics, you get reasonable human beings, not like our 5G Pastorpreneurs.

Yet they are still one of the biggest gamers in the history of church. Just because them no come outside to talk about coro or 5G no mean say dem no get their own issues too.

Story!!! How can you exonerate catholic church because they didn't join other churches/pastor with the 5G theory? Who gave you the authority to wipe away their past and present mistakes and not do same for the other pastors?

You clearly don't know what you speak of bro! When you have an organised Church that work hand in hand with Constituted Authorities like the Catholics, you get reasonable human beings, those who've spent years defiling young boys and covering it up.

Oga! Just face your fenibeso or any God wey you believe and leave humans and their beliefs alone!

obainojazz:
or Jinny Swaggart wey knack another woman .. One of America biggest pastors.. Kenneth Hagin preached he saw Jesus twice. He was given a state burial in US...
Most of the orphanages in Nigeria are either run or sponsored by churches.. Govt don't look after orphans or abandoned children.. Top primary and secondary schools in Anambra are run by churches.. Anambra is top five in waec and Jamb.. Top two private uni are Christian schools... If people up North even try like this.. they for better

Just because those imam/alfas no dey use social media like the pastors no mean say dem no dey ontop the table.

Ibime dey here dey beat chest about pastors when we all can agree humans are not infallible.

See as law abiding Ibime with no blemish use chlamydia use game the system in times of need. Even me him sheeple benefit from him immerse wisdom on top the level too

Tunde Bakare no dey Ibime him list.

obainojazz:
I never attend oyedepo or Adeboye church but you on the wrong calling people that do fools.. Makes you worse than the pastorpreneurs
That's why there's freedom of association and religion.. Nigerian Christians will still get sense and practice Christianity like their western counterparts.. Also, many of us are not even better than some people that attend these churses..

I am surprised say Ibime never add TD Jake's and co inside. Catholic church nko etc.

Victornezzar:
Mompha Diggz do Easter giveaway for your boys na

Go look for Mompha for instagram my guy.

Ibime:
You are a fool if you follow an exploiter of people, and those who lie on the pulpit. As long as you dey church with an ethical pastor, no sele. Not like Adeboye that lied that God told him about Corona but he didn't want to say anything if not Interpol will arrest him

The list I put up there are all Fraudsters!

Your list no concern me I don't give a fvck who dey that list or not. I've made my stand known already. All man carry him kaya for head including you, those on your list and those wey no dey your list

Me and my God naim be my own.

iamoyindamola:
If you like call all Muslims terrorist it doesn't remove anything from anyone unless the fools that carry religion for head.
It actually a joke I laugh at everytime
Peace!!!

We shall get there when/if the need arises. First, tell me why poverty yakata for northern region with all your imams and alfas there?

iamoyindamola:
why not calm yourself, read and understand what he wrote before picking up a fight.
Is your pastor a Pastorpreneur?

Who worse pass those imams across the Northern region?

timay:
Apart from that, most imams in general respect themselves, they don't do prophesies and fake predictions and don't make noise like their Christian counterparts (Pastors)

Alfas nko? Are the imams not in the northern part of this country worshipping those who have stolen the common wealth of the northern masses or how do we reconcile the fact that they're doing better than the common almajiris?

Ibime:
This guy done finish them. If you are still following any of these Pastorpreneurs after this, you are a big fool!

All man with him kaya. Hope you've been calling your cousin a big f00l to his face? Anyways, just because your cousin switched off his brains no mean say everybody wey dey go church be the same please.

iamoyindamola:
my imam leads prayers he doesn't do prophecy.

You sure?!

obainojazz:
Pastors are easy targets... You can't surely criticize Imams or na beheading.
Our pastors sef no try, but they are surely useful to our society.

All na wash...no be for this side of the world. Las las we go dey alright

Can't argue against the carelessness of Pastor Chris, e no just try at all.

afrodoc2:
Lol i no fit fight you over that.
But I view Amokachi as a striker so he needs to move forward to go and struggle for shirt with Yekini them.

When I consider the longevity of Okocha’s career in the team I can’t bench him for someone who was really a striker.

In a 4-4-2 maybe Amokachi enters as the strike partner to Yekini, but I can’t put him in as a midfielder.

The only guarantee on this list would be Yekini. Almost every other position is debatable based on your age and style preferences.

True!

iamoyindamola:
I saw one video on IG the guy mocked everyone of them.
Tbh these men talks too much they forget their false lies prophecies




https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-ofL8tAS5W/?igshid=ehagh310bso6

Na so...your imams nko?

Ibime:
Sheeple are taking serious flogging this period. Hopefully this pamdemic will set many minds free from our pastorpreneurs.

Happy Easter Ibims

afrodoc2:
Enyeama, Nwanu, Iroha, Mikel, Muda, Tijani Amokachi on the bench.

Tbh...I no fit put okocha inside anytime ahead of serious player like Amokachi. If na even right back remain I go put Amokachi first before I reason Okocha side

afrodoc2:
Very good list. Also the guys have dissected it well and made some good points.

Eguavoen made me sad in 1994. He was tall, quick, rugged but didn’t have the best decision making.
Yobo and Equavoen played the same 3 positions (RB,CB,DM). I go with Yobo.



Mine:

.........................,.......Rufai..........................
....Yobo......Okechukwu.....Taribo.....Babayaro..
................................Oliseh.........................
..................Odegbami .......Okocha Amokachi.........
.....Finidi..................Yekini.........Amuneke.......

I know Odegbami was a RW but had to fit him in there somehow. That 1980 deserved a shoutout LOL. He was the best player in a Nations Cup winning team(our first), scoring 2 goals in the final against a team with Belloumi and Madjer.

The first half of Okocha was a showboater but the showboating reduced towards the later part of his career.
Oruma at his peak was probably a much better fit for the national team but he was criminally sidelined for Okocha, partly because of the fans.

I like your list but don fit in the bull inside.

obainojazz:
I feel you boss.. take care of your wonderful family sir

Thank you! You too take care for that your Kangaroo town

obainojazz:
Diggaman.. help me greet Queen Elizabeth

No be only Queen...everybody dey him dey abeg. Right now na only Baba God and family I dey greet.

Ibime:
Na Diggz carry Corona come London.

Lol.. when no be say na from china I use enter