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lastnogood:
And who said that marriage is not by force? Let's see how you will not be forced into marriage if you are an only child!! Or if you were raped and the rapist paid bride price to your father (A story I read here on Nairaland) Let's not be foolish now, marriage can be by force, especially towards women!

I completely agree with a woman choosing to submit to her husband, granted she was able to choose him herself. My own grandmother was forced into an abusive painful marriage that scars her to this day. She was submissive to the point that he walked all over her, he even molested her family members, and she was made to throw them out and still be a submissive wife to him.

Go and read proverbs 14 Vs 1. The success or failure of a marriage depends largely on a womans attitude. That is the point the Bishop was making. But you are free to attack and abuse the Bible one day you will meet your creator and your eyes go clear.

[quote author=ramalot post=37303423]Here are two examples, out of many in the Old Testament.


Leviticus 25:44-46

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.


Titus 2:9-10

Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.
You conveniently left out Galatians 3:28 and Colosians 3:11 where the Bible declared no bond or free in Christ.

kmcutez:
Who does not know that self control and maturity involves being able to keep your feelings to yourself sometimes, sometimes being the operative keyword which has been missing in your vocabulary up until now.

If you have these qualities,why are you still being obdurate about submitting to your husbands authority?

kmcutez:
Keeping one's feelings to oneself in a marriage breeds serious resentment on the part of the aggrieved person, or you think you are living a utopian world.

Oh you still dont get it? Self control and maturity involves being able to keep your feelings to yourself sometimes. No wonder you are struggling with being under your husbands authority. You do not have self control.

trapQ:
stop pouring your stupidity in my mentions. where in my post did you grasp "resisting authority" . I am not synonymous with suffering or bitterness so I don't know what you're talking about. I am living a very happy life.

Nigeria and every marriage will work when people stop having double standards. you were quick to put all the blame on women but flared up when i said men are also at fault. God will not judge men differently, he's no respecter of persons. adultery is adultery whether male or female, stealing is stealing and sin is sin.
its your eyes that needs opening.

Proverbs 14 Vs 1, God holds women responsible for failed marriages here but I pray your foolish pride will let you understand it!
Wise women are submissive, foolish women are not submissive so they destroy their homes with their own hands. May you not destroy your own home with your own hands by your shallowmindedness and foolish pride.

trapQ:
what's even your problem?? who told you I was angry. if you can't comprehend simple English you might to stop mentioning me. who said I'm angry against God or doubting his word? the man is the head of the home, that is a known fact that no one is disputing. but did God tell you in your bible that women are the cause of failed marriages?? only weak men show such cowardice. don't @ me again, I see you're very shallow minded.

Again you betray a very shallow knowledge of the word of God because of your foolish pride that wants to destroy you. Proverbs 14 Vs 1 says" every wise woman buildeth her house but the foolish pluck it down with her hands"
I hope your foolish pride will not let you destroy your home with your own hands and yes God outrightly said here that women are the cause of failed marriages.

trapQ:
fool!!! you're overly useless. it is you that will die a promiscuous paranoid man. did you hear me hate GOD's law?? next time read, comprehend and assimilate before saying nonsense to me.

I'm not suffering, you could be tho... keep wallowing in your stupidity. marriage takes two to work... did you not read the part that said "men love your wives even as Christ loved the church and died for it" ?? you simply just neglected that part like it ain't meaningful. the fact remains that more married men than married women are wayward. QUICK question for you, the past administration that failed , who do people blame for it, Jonathan or Sambo??

PS: I did not attack the man of GOD. and don't @ me cussing yourself

Pride goeth before a fall. Keep challenging the word of God and keep suffering in your marriage. You are angry against God because he declared man the head of the family. Keep wallowing in your foolish pride. A woman who submits to the authority of her man attracts love from him. Christ is the head of man and man is the head of woman. Keep challenging the authority of Gods word and very soon you will join those who do no longer believe in him. It is your cross to carry. Enjoy your bitterness.

trapQ:
double standards. you're interpreting the bible wrongly. you do know that the bible also said "love your wife even as Christ loves the church and gave himself for it" right? so going by what you said, men should also love their wives whether they are submissive and cheat or not. after all JESUS loved and died for us while we were yet sinners.

Keep resisting your husbands authority and keep suffering. Keep challenging him and keep being ignored up. Enjoy your bitterness.
One day your eyes will open......and you will realize that foolish pride has kept you from enjoying your marriage.

Bibol:
That's what happens when people exalt the word of Men of God more than the word of God who created all men. From a personal point of view, I doublecheck everything I hear from any man of God as it relates with what my bible says and I refuse to follow sheepishly. After all Christ ought to be my perfect role model and every marriage is unique

So you support women not being submissive to their husbands? Is that Christs injunction. Let go of your pride and submit to your husband. Pride kills.

trapQ:
pls be submissive. when your husband beats you, cheats on you left right and center, drinks to stupor, keeps late nights, asks you to cook meals at 2am, just be submissive like a robot. and don't come here crying sooner or later that someone cheated on you, just be submissive.

hypocrite!

You are the hypocrite. Submission is meant for Christians. If you can't submit,keep huffing and puffing in your marriage. Keep fighting with your husband and demanding love. You will die a very bitter woman. Keep hating on Gods laws. Keep attacking men of God and keep suffering.

kmcutez:
I can never be a professional wife because marriage is of a personal nature, so your analogy is way off here.

Okay be a,personal wife,keep your feelings to yourselves and,be submissive.

kmcutez:
What is my business if my boss is a liar or a cheat in his personal life. All I'm looking at is his professional capabilities. I will not respect him though if he is a liar and a cheat in his professional life, but as a professional you keep your feelings to yourself and do your work.

Good, as a professional wife keep your feelings to yourself and be submissive, case closed!

kmcutez:
Why should I mind if his love is conditional. Is he not a human being like me. I myself can never love nor respect a cheat or a liar, so why should I expect any different from him.

What do you mean by was Oyedepo talking about liars and cheats? Are liars and cheats not men. Are men not husbands.

My respect is not unconditional. Sorry if this offends you but I make no apologies for it.

Are liars and cheats not women? Are women not wives? So what is your points really?
Why are you worried about liars and cheats, do you want to marry them?
Any time they talk about submission, you mention liars and cheats.
The point is you will be submissive to your boss authority in the office today even if he is a liar and a cheat but when you get home you refuse to be submissive to your husband.
It is simple really. Since you are too puffed up with pride and lack of self control, then do not marry, remain single.

[quote author=AfricanApple post=37301346][/quote]Ofcourse, you have nothing meaningful to add. Only proud women hate submission. Strong women are not afraid to be submissive. Weak women fear submission pass devil sef.

kmcutez:
Confident people are strong and they are balanced in every facet of their life. They know when to be submissive and when to be assertive, so they are both submissive and assertive, that is what makes them strong and confident and balanced.

I neither fear being submissive nor being assertive. I know when to be submissive and I know when to be assertive. My submissiveness has conditions and is not unconditional.

I will not be submissive to a cheat, a liar, a wife beater or someone that does not love or respect me etc. If that makes me a coward that is fine with me.

I hope you won't mind if his love is also conditional? Many of you women screaming about feminism,are just people suffering from extra large amounts of PRIDE. Ofcourse submission is impossible if you are a very proud person or you do not have said self control. A humble woman will not find submissiveness difficult at all. So are you proud and lack self control?
If you can't submit why marry in the first place?
You won't submit to a liar and a cheat? Was Oyedepo talking about liars and cheats?
Do you also expect your husband to love you if you are a liar and cheat?
My dear it is either you become humble and submissive and enjoy your marriage or you keep engaging your husband in fistcuffs and die a sad,bitter woman. The choice is yours!

ammyluv2002:
Really? Aren't you tired of twisting thing. Don't lie just because you want to prove me wrong..like i said, i only aired my view so you can also air yours. What did i say in that comment? Pls, you are bigger than dis...Can't you see i didn't bother to reply your last post because i got tired of the mention. I also said " there's nothing we can achieve on our own without Christ helping us" i really don't get why you are taking this too personal. Seriously, i don't get it. Pls, I'm not trying to attack you so pls don't attack me. Shey, by their feet ba? Then let it be! I'm not here to prove anything to you. Pls, let's learn how to tolerant other people's views in spite of all comments i didn't make funny comment about them so pls let me be, biko!

My sister don't mind them. God will bless you with a good man. Those who wants to fight and quarrel with their husbands every step of the way to push prove their meaningless equality should be given rough men who will beat them black and blue.
Submissiveness is not absence of confidence or strength but a deliberate decision to place yourself under the leadership of your husband according to divine will. Only a true Christian woman who fears God can achieve that. Submission is an act of humility. Pride is the reason most women fight against submission.

kmcutez:
She is not domineering. You only see it that way because you are intimidated by her. She comes across as a very intelligent and confident lady. Nothing sexier than a confident woman. That is why you wanted to know more of her but your corwardice spirit got in the way. Too bad.

How do you know that confident ladies are sexy are you a lesbian?
Only confident people can be submissive. Only the strong can be submissive, weak people like you fear submissive women because they are bold and strong enough to do what you can't do. Cowards who are not confident of themselves are scared of being submissive. So stop being a coward

ramalot:
Why did black people fight slavery, when the bible expressly endorses it?
I bet Oyedepo conveniently skips those portions of his bible.

Common sense.

Where does the Bible endorse slavery?
Besides the Bible can only be understood by those who believe. The Ethiopian eunuch as educated as he was could not understand it. Since obviously you can't quit attacking it until you believe. And Oyedepo was only talking to those who believe the Bible.

kernel501:
Unbelievable !!! So... the constitution stipulates that you can only probe your predeccesor only or corrupt individuals within Nigeria?

During campaign Buhari promised fighting corruption not Jonathan only.
Look, l wouldn't want to convince you further... But then, mark my word, we dare Buhari to touch Jonathan and risk...

Who are the we?
Truly, the Ijaws have put you in their pocket permanently. If the Ijaws are making this threat,then it makes sense to me but for you a supposed smart Igbo man to be a mere pawn for an Ijaw man have reduced you to a complete joke.

Open question. How many Ijaw men are agitating for Igbo President for Nigeria?
Yet again the Ijaws prove they are far more politically smarter than Igbos.
Some Igbos will never learn. Always being used by everybody and never being able to know that they are just pawns in a political game by the Ijaws.
Since,this thread started not one Ijaw person have said anything against Jonathans probe. Sometimes I wonder,if some Igbo people are cursed with foolishness.

kernel501:
Equity is the word, probe all or let go all.

Well clowning is allowed. It was Jonathans duty to probe the immediate government before him, an act he didn't carry out. It is now Buharis duty to probe the government before him. And let me ask, why did you not ask Obasanjo not to limit his probe to only Abachas government? This is why you come off as a hypocrite. When Obasanjo was probing Abachas government, you did not utter a word. Why now?
The Ijaws have gotten you to feed from their palms. In all honesty, the Ijaws have mastered the art of using foolish Igbos like you to achieve their aim.
Eventually, the rest of Nigeria will rate them ahead of the Igbos, watch out. We always claim that the Hausa Fulani always manipulates us now the Ijaws are doing the same,very soon the Idomas and Igalas will also manipulate Igbos. All they need to do is just to say send a few clowns to Ohaneze, declare that they are now our brothers and foolish Igbos like you will start falling over themselves to support them.
Stop,allowing every Tom,Dick and Harry to use your head.
Only extremely immature, childish and foolish Igbos still talk about supporting Jonathan.
I will never allow an Ijaw man to play with my intelligence.
We cannot love Jonathan more than his people. His people should be at the forefront of protesting his probe not Igbos. Jonathan is not an Igbo man.

kernel501:
Be smart, ok? You are better than this. The irony is this, we both want same thing... Secession.

Another fallacy. No you and Ijaw people not want the same thing. After the Isaac Adaka Boro experiment, the Ijaws only make noise to attract sympathy and gain political advantage to be relevant. The ask to have more say in the control of their resources in Nigeria. They expertly executed their agenda and by a stroke of good fortune, their son emerged the president albeit a poor one. The Igbos on the other hand waste precious time shouting meaningless slogans about Biafra and that is a name that galvanizes every Nigerian Ijaws inclusive against them.
That is the clear difference. The Ijaws agitate to get a better deal in Nigeria the Igbos agitate to leave Nigeria. At the end the Ijaws achieve better result because they are not,trying to destroy the federation.

Velocitron:
Why is it so common in Africa then? Are we gayer than the rest of the world?

Nope. We are not. The real question is how did HIV that was discovered in the west spread very fast in Africa? The answer lies in why foreign powers have always suppressed any news of HIV cure breakthrough in Africa.
Truth if the powerful homosexual lobby pushed HIV origin to Africa to divert world attention front m the grave health challenges of their despicable lifestyle.

Velocitron:
You're funny o. So if it's said in the history books that Mungo Park discovered River Niger, you think people weren't fishing there before Mungo Park's grandfather was born?

It was first clinically observed doesn't mean that's where it originated. It's said to have originated from apes in West Africa.

You are the funny one. HIV first diagnosed among homosexuals because it was prevalent among them and was found to advance rapidly among them because of their despicable lifestyle. It is because of that it was first known as gay disease. Stop promoting homosexuality.

MrDenygerian:
Yes women,.. be submissive like slaves.

If he beats you, be submissive.
If he hits the kids, be submissive.
If he changed after marriage, lost his job, and takes your salary because he paid your bride 'price', be submissive.

Do this all in the name of Christ.
1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.




Fools.

Truly the Bible,is foolishness to those who do not believe but to those who do,it is the power of God. Again marriage is not by force, you can remain single if you do not want to be submissive to your husband.

MrDenygerian:
Wise words?

In summary, it's good to suffer and die a married woman. <------ these are wise words to you. That the ring on a woman's finger is worth more than her life?

If marriage means suffering to you then you don't need to be married.
Be single. Besides Oyedepo was talking to Christians.

kernel501:
I love your response. They've learnt who the real enemy is, before the election, they sent some delegates to make-up for their mistakes. Even Asari profess to been part of us and we have forgiven them, that's why we gave Jonathan 95% votes and will stand by Niger Delta.
They are our brothers till tomorrow, we wön't let them down.

Why are you allowing Ijaws to scam you like this?
Their leaders came to you because of elections not because they like you. If they wanted true reconciliation, why haven't they returned the abandoned properties they seized in port Harcourt?
Are you really sure you are an Igbo man?
Since,Jonathan lost how many Ijaw men have,come out to call for,Igbo president on account of Igbo support for Jonathan?

kernel501:
Dinachi don't allow ndi ofe to bring trouble between Ndi Igbo na Ndi Ijaw, anyi bu otu.
Abu m ezigbo nwa afo.

Don't allow our enemies come between us oooh!!!.

Nwannem ndi Igbo na ndi ijo abughi otu. Ndi ijo rere ndi Igbo mgbe aluru agha biafra. Ewe lusia agha, ha kpachido ala na ulo ndi Igbo no na port Harcourt kpo ya abandoned property. Mgbe Goment Buhari kpochiri Ekwueme na 1984 madu ole ndi ijo kwadoro Ekwueme?
Let us stop being sentimental about this issues, our real enemies are supporters of evil who are saying that those who stole Nigeria's billions should be left off the hook because they are Ijaws.

Ofcourse, you won't find any feminist here. I have long said it. You can't be a Christian and identify as a feminist. Christianity and feminism are two parallel lines. They do not meet. God said be submissive feminism say be assertive. God says your husband is the head of the home,feminism says you don't have any head.
Ofcourse, some Lesbians here who also hide behind the guise of feminism will vehemently oppose this wise words.

kernel501:
You better go back to the West.

There is nothing wrong with the west or north or any other part of Nigeria. But you Ijaw people need to know that we Igbos will no longer allow you to play with our intelligence.

kernel501:
We are not following Ijaws sheepishly, we have common interest ( to secede from Nigeria), just the same way Yorubas follow the Gambaries for Niger Delta Oil.

Buhahahahaha! Delusions of grandeur!
Ijaws under Major Isaac Adaka Boro were the first tribe in Nigeria to declare for secession fighting for their Niger Delta Republic long before Ojukwu thought of Biafra. This was even in the fifties. But the moment Ojukwu declared Biafra, the same Ijaws switched their loyalty back to Nigeria led by the same Isaac Boro! Their valuable support helped in no small measure to defeat Biafra. Ijaws scamming Igbos since 1400 bc! The lesson? Ijaws prefer Nigeria to Biafra.They will be the first to fight against Biafra. If you do not know this, then you need to do some more research!

kernel501:
That is the wisdom, you think political position translates to progress?

Over three years now, states with the highest number of Professors, Doctored Degree, Bs.c recorded by NUC has it as follows.
1. Anambra
2. Imo
3. Enugu
4
5.Osun
6. Ekiti
JAMB and WAEC over five years have there records like that.

2. Igbos have the highest SMEs in Nigeria, highest in real estate.

3. Entertainment we took Nollywood to third in the world.

4. We have three World Bank VPs including the present one.

5. Sports: Only the Igbos in Premiership only is more than a team.


6. Innovations, where do you compare us with you in that, only Aba can silence the entire Niaja.

7. Leadership system, we are least in terms of federal allocation, but then... Check out our states with high level capital projects and the least debt, while you have the highest debt and waiting for free will offerings from Us.

Then why are we following Ijaws sheepishly?