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I provided a reference but you're still arguing. Do your own research.

But thats not the point. You do not need secession clause to conduct a referendum to determine if Nigerians wanna be together especially since there is no unity currently

Kukutente23:
Ok... so when were they one country?

Well, it came to that but he stayed on the vison of zik which is one indivisible Nigeria

ElSudani:
Who told you he wanted Nigeria to fail? Like I said earlier his argument for a secession clause was not intended to break the country apart. Rather it was intended to ensure a peaceful separation if it comes to that.
You are asking him to participate in the complete opposite of what he intended.

They were historically one country like Nigeria in 1914

Kukutente23:
Afraid? Lol. Why will Awo be afraid of the backwards north? He was wary and discerning. Your Zik that was not afraid how did it end?

Going into Nigeria was not Awo, Zik or Bello's idea
It was the British. The best bet was to find a way to get the best out of it Zambia and Zimbabwe were never one country. What are you talking about? Stop confusing yourself.

Exactly!

victory36:
Instead of them to create anioma state from Delta, they are busy deceiving themselves

Know your level in the grand scheme of things

waternogetemeny:
DID ANAMBRA TELL THEM TO CARVE ANY SECTION OUT OF THE STATE?


NO BE ONLY OLU STATE, THAT IS THE MOST USELESS STATE.


CURRENTLY A WAR ZONE.


PLEASE KEEP ANAMBRA OUT OF YOUR PLANS.

Try it 2027!

Khyrvxjzy:
even if obi win, we will not give igbo presidency

Same way the military would have removed secession clause after abrogating the 1963 constitution in 1966!

Judgementa1:
Have u forgotten all subsequent constitution were given to us by the military.

So it was meant for threatening purposes?

If he is afraid of the North, why go into a country with them? Was western Nigeria not bigger than Togo or Benin Republic?

Mind you Zambia was Southern Rhodesia and Zimbabwe was Northern Rhodesia. They formed two separate countries.

Kukutente23:
Did Awo ever tell you he wants to secede. The idea of secession clause was to guard against the belligerence of the north which the tone deaf Zik failed to understand.
Awo was never for secession but for a balanced union to serve as a bulwark against domination and oppression as already being touted by the north. The only person to speak up against the British idea of Nigeria was Awolowo not Zik nor Bello

You did not answer the question

Tunde835:
I can't just divide nigeria now.

He could have stayed neutral and preoare for a possible failure of the Nigerian state to pull his people out. By encouraging Gowon to create 12 states, he ruined the regions forever.

Yorubas are complaining of Igbos in SW. It shall be so until breakup

ElSudani:
Awo obviously was not a soldier, that is one thing. This was a man who spent a who day a few years back trying to convince your leaders about the wisdom of having a secession clause in the constitution.
The secession clause doesn't mean you can just wake up one day and say bye bye we don't want to be in Nigeria anymore.
It provides a peaceful pathway like a referendum. Knowing this, you want a democrat like Awo to support a hot headed 30 something year old soldier in starting an armed insurrection to split Nigeria?

What do you take the man for? He was far more intelligent than that. He couldn't have sacrificed millions of people to achieve what could have been achieved through a legally constituted referendum.
Too bad Ibo leaders couldn't see that.

Carved out lands tgat were existing for thousands of years before him? Igbos have always been there for centuries

TimeManager:
But you gladly accepted it when the same white colonialists carved out the eastern region and gave it to ibos to dominate. You should have resisted it.

-Kiss the truth!

You're running away from his argument. What is holding 220 million people today if the country is not working?

TimeManager:
The decision several decades ago by that one man who represented the voice of the entire ndigbo is the reason you are where you are today. That man was your legitimate voice, he sealed your fate today.

-Kiss the truth!

Are you responding to Ojukwu or gidgiddy?

You keep referring to Ojukwu that was probably 35yrs old then.

What can 220 million people do now?

leokid866:
you forget the same Ojukwu killed Adaka Boros men, stripped Adaka naked and put him in the boot of a car to Lagos to be sentenced and killed all in the name of preserving the same "white man's " Nigeria......if you want dey remember history use your full brain to remember it so that the idiot in you won't be showing......🫠

But when Awolowo had the opportunity of leaving the union during the civil war, he doubled down to stay by giving policies that would cement one Nigeria like supporting Gowon to create states as well as suggesting food blockade which was against the Geneva convention

ElSudani:
Zik and his northern masters had a hand in it.

You're not a serious person

TimeManager:
Yeah, the will to keep millions of his descendants in "bondage". I'm sure the British gave him a white lady for one night stand as a reward for his wonderful performance.

-Kiss the truth!

Why are you guys invested in one Nigeria?

Tunde835:
It's not up to him to divide nigeria. He can't just decide.

Awolowo's actions later showed he was serious about secession. He gad the opportunity but rather suggested one Nigeria policies including creation of states to Gowon

Kukutente23:
Not true. Secession is allowed in the UK that colonised us. States in the US freely joined the Union and were aware that there's no clause for breaking up. However, the USSC has given guidelines for secession. Switzerland has a form of secession in its law and France outrightly has one.
Having secession can lead to instability in the state I agree. But with every secession clause also comes a clause for joining back. Even China had a secession clause as at then.
The point being made is that Awolowo saw the imperfections of Nigeria as a country and advocated the secession clause to guard against the tendency of maximalist among the regions.

When Ojukwu declared secession, why didnt Awolowo declare secession of the Western Region?

raskymonojendor:
Zik was an idiot and the major reason we have Nigeria. If he had sided with Awolowo, the British won't have a choice than to include secession clause.

Why will it be hard today?

TimeManager:
Today is the consequences of yesterday's decisions. It would be extremely difficult today to introduce such a clause ever again, that opportunity is gone. Zik was the leader of eastern region and NCNC, with selected representatives from his party, they were loud and clear that ibos were opposed to a secession clause and any other person advocating it should be charged for treason. Zik and his caucus were speaking for the ibos.

-Kiss the truth!

You did not respond to the two questions i raised. Answer the questions.

What did Amadu Bello say then

Secondly, if Awolowo wasnt pretending about the secession clause, why does his actions supports one Nigeria at all cost? And why did he support Gowon to create 12 states thereby breaking the 4 regions?

TimeManager:
This is why none of you can lace Awo's sandals. You are all brawn, no brain. When it came down to using the brain to get what you needed, you preferred muscles instead. Till today, you are still all about chestbeating.

-Kiss the truth!

Because we're humans, we respond to change. Its only a stone that does not respond to change.

Azikiwe, Awolowo, Amadu Bello are dead. We cannot be held by the wills of dead people

seanfer:
Not an excuse, how come it is people from Azikiwe are now asking for secession.

Awolowo was being fought by Akintola for the better part of the first republic and that led to the wild wild west.

You guys are trying now to launder the convicted image of Awolowo

ElSudani:
I bet you don't remember the election in which there wasn't a clear majority and any two of the three main parties could have formed an alliance and then form the government. Awolowo offered Zik the position of Prime minister so their parties could form the government.
What did Zik do? He made an appointment with Awo while he was in the north signing an agreement with the Northern People's Congress to take a ceremonial position of President.
If this is not absurd and unreasonable to you then nothing is.

If Zik's will can be done by muscling two other premiers, means he was their leader

TimeManager:
Yes, far bigger in foolishness and shortsightedness, that's why his descedants are still crying "give us biafra" in 2024.

-Kiss the truth!

Voted Obj second term when it was clear he'd win. Voted GEJ 2011 after Tinubu alliance with Buhari failed.

These are facts

Judgementa1:
Stop trying to be clever by half.

Yoruba voted Obasanjo 2003,voted Jonathan 2011, voted Yar adua 2007.

Why was resource control not made in subsequent constitutions going by your logic?

Judgementa1:
Awolowo tried to have the clause in the constitution but zik opposed it.

If zik had agree to it maybe an ACT or provisions would have been made for it in subsequent constitution.

The problem with u people is that u feel u can decide for other.


Tell your leaders who have the power under the present law to initiate it.

So what was Amadu Bello's position?

erniok2:
It wasn't entirely dependent on the Brits because if all had agreed to secession, it'd have been part of the then constitution.

Yorubas did not look on but connived with the North. Imagine Awolowo suggesting food blockade to keep Biafra from going instead of him using the opportunity to put Yorubas out

flokii:
Nnamdi Azikiwe opposed secession clause in our constitution in the early days because he thought Nigeria in its entirety will fall under Igbo domination.. he has several quotes about some gods giving Igbos dominance over Nigeria credited to him. Let them not deceive you that they wanted regionalism or federalism and whatnot.
Ahmadu Bello pointed it out clearly in his interview that Igbos took over all the Governmemt jobs in the North and he changed everything to ensure Northerners get jobs in their region. That made him introduce the " Northerner first" policy which has favoured Northerners till date.

That is why it's always good to think deeply before acting.. they orchestrated first blo0dy coup d'etat on 15 January, 1966 but Northerners fought back and took power for themselves while docile Yorubas looked on.

What is stopping you guys today?

Judgementa1:
When Adaka boro tried to create a separate entity from Nigeria.

Your forefathers ironsi and ojukwu frustrated his effort.

Stop crying of what your elders are guilty of.

That means zik is far far bigger than Awolowo and Amadu Bello

TimeManager:
1957 London constitutional conference, Nigerian representatives across party lines and regions were invited to have an input in the drafting of the independence constitution. Zik took it personally, beyond debate and conviction but calling on the british authority to arrest anyone who speaks for secession, he called it a treason and we all know what that means to ask that people be indicted for treason. It was a capital punishment. Zik was the architect of a dyfunctional foundation of the country.

-Kiss the truth!

Again, if the constitution was abrogated by the military, does it matter what it contained?

LifestyleTonite:
Your people's penchant to look away even when truth stares them in the face is legendary.

Look at how you excused Zik from the blame. Zik ought to have argued in favour of secession like Awolowo, but he probably thought his people would succeed in lording over other tribes. Sadly, the opposite is the case today.

If Zik had supported secession clause, that would have been two against one. His people won't be screaming Biafra or death today and begging to secede. So you see, Awolowo was a visioneer, he saw today from yesterday.

It's sad that you now want Awolowo to commit a treasonable offense like Ojukwu after the latter's brother Zik supported the law that placed secessionist tendencies as treason.

The moment you fail to acknowledge the truth, no matter how bitter, you will start to make horrible decisions. That's what is wrong with your people.

Where was Amadu Bello in this argument?

When Biafra left, why didnt Awolowo leave instead of looking for secession clause?

TimeManager:
Read the article very well or go get the full speech of Azikiwe against secession clause. Zik clearly argued that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable. He argued that Nigeria is an indivisible and indisoluble union. Impliedly, Zik was appealing to the British monarchy to arrest and jail Awolowo for supporting the inclusion of secession clause.

-Kiss the truth!

Nope, its the Yorubas that are going with the Hausas even when its unreasonable. Igbos went with Obj and it was successful. Igbos went with Yaradua and GEJ, it was successful. Yorubas went with Buhari, it was unsuccessful. They went with Tinubu and its been a disaster

ElSudani:
The problem with zik is similar to what we experience with Ibos today. They always want to go the opposite way on everything with Yoruba, whether it is in their interest or not is secondary.