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themall:
@DoctorAlien, @Logicbwoy @Ranchhoddas @jnrbayano @paulGrundy @solite3
Just wondering.....
Is the prophet Moses, Elijah true God or not?

Moses is not God, neither is Elijah.

barny95:
some translation said obeisance which means respect and obedience. Sarah called Abraham her Lord. Does that make him God? No. So if Sarah could call Abraham her Lord, can't Thomas called Jesus his God and Lord?

Did Sarah call Abraham GOD?

Still you haven't answered the question: Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my GOD." Was Thomas wrong?

dolphinheart,

Which commandments is Jesus referring to in John 14:15? Are they different from the ones He referred to in Matt. 19:17? If they are different, make a clear distinction between them.

dolphinheart:
those who killed him.
King James Version
Ac 2:23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
King James Version
Ac 5:30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew/(killed) and hanged on a tree.

Does John 10:18 agree with you?

Peacefullove:
I dont care who took his life , all I need is what you have said , he died . simple

now since this is based on your former question that says which attribute does the True God have which Jesus doesnt have .

I replied the one called True God in your bible , never died ! but here we read that Jesus died . thats one area that spells their difference.



am still expecting your evidence that says Jesus is the true God .

Aren't you funny?

Well, I'll agree that Jesus is not the true GOD when you point out an attribute of the true GOD that Jesus doesn't have.

achorladey:
DoctorAlien this your Hebrew 1:6 you never explain am finish ooooo. I dey see firstborn somewhere in that account.

GOD calls Jesus His begotten Son. Read Psa. 2:7 and Acts 13:33.

Peacefullove:


bring out the evidence sir ? not by mouth o , you must show me from your bible







how many times will I say it when you are not blind sir ?

the true God never dies , but Jesus died which you cant deny!

Jesus was crucified and He died. So tell me, who took His life?

Peacefullove:

the point is he die , accept ?

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you didnt comment on the first part, since there is no single evidence/quote to support Jesus as True God , do you now accept that Jesus is a false God ?

There is a billion and one proofs to show that Jesus is the true GOD. You still haven't pointed out an attribute of the true GOD that Jesus does not have.

Death had no power over Jesus, because He was GOD. He was the One who subjected Himself to death as a sacrifice for sin.

Peacefullove:
^^



yamayama, Alien doctor dont feed me with crap , your bible said Jesus DIE!


Then Jesus cried out in a loud voice and DIED! mark 15:37 , so what are you telling me ?

But Jesus made it clear in Jn. 10:18 that He was the one who gave His life. It wasn't the Roman soldiers who took His life. He gave it. He could have held it back. But He gave it.

Peacefullove:
^^


I commend your honesty, even with that I must ask , Do you now accept that Jesus is a false God ?

remember you have no single evidence to claim he is the True God unlike Yahweh that have 3D evidence at John 17:3 .





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you mean from bible: okay Immortality: Jesus died ! the true God never died , he is immortal

let me stop at that

Jesus did not die the death that is natural to man. He just laid down/gave up His life as a sacrifice for sin. He said he was the one that laid it down. Read Jn. 10:18.

But as GOD, Jesus could not die. That is the reason why He took upon Himself the nature of man. Read Phil. 2:5-8. There you will see that Jesus is equal to GOD.

barny95:
At Matt. 14:33;28:9 check other versions of the Bible apart from the one you are using, u find out that it is either rendered "obeisance" or "bowed down" which a sign of respect not worship. You do obeisance 2 ur king or father doesn't mean u worship him. Meanwhile Matt. 28:9 says they took hold of his feet and did obeisance 2 Jesus_this is a customary way of greeting a master, teachers, parents and elders in the Palestine and among Indians. NORMS
as 2 heb.1:8 check other versions and translation u understand like yoruba, igbo. In some version it's read as : But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness." dis doesn't mean God commanded people to worship Jesus as u imply

I intended to quote Heb. 1:6. Sorry for that mistake.

Read and see that GOD commanded worship to Jesus.

Thomas called Jesus his GOD.(Jn. 20:28). Was Thomas wrong?

Peacefullove:
^^ @ Doctoralien

If I admit that the sentence "Jesus is the true GOD" is not in the Bible, will you tell me an attribute of the true GOD that Jesus does not have, since you search the Scriptures?

Peacefullove:
^^

the point is, Daniel accept worship and worship belongs to who ?

Daniel did not claim the worship that belongs to GOD. And Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged GOD. He even knew that it was GOD who gave the interpretation to Daniel. So, even Nebuchadnezzar knew who worship belongs to. Read Daniel 3:28-29.

Peacefullove:
dont feed me with this crap again , did bible Jesus demand worship ? quote where he say worship me . quote


you want to deny Daniel the God title that belong to those who accept worship
ko le werk



but Daniel didnt prevent Nebuchadnezzar, did he ?

Even the Nebuchadnezzar that worshipped knew that Daniel was not GOD. Read Daniel 2:47

Peacefullove:
if God forbid worship to anything but himself then thats another bible contradiction, DANIEL accept worship .

Then King Nebuchadnezzar threw himself down before Daniel and worshiped him Daniel 2 vs 46

Daniel = God ? or how u wan take explain this one . mtcheew

I'm very sure Daniel never posed as GOD, or demanded worship. Nebuchadnezzar fell before Daniel in awe and wonder. Daniel explained to him that the source of the interpretation he gave was GOD. Daniel made it clear beyond doubt that GOD is the source of all He knows and was going to say. So, Nebuchadnezzar worshipping Daniel means he acknowledged the Spirit in Daniel.

Notice that Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged GOD in v.47 of Daniel 2.

People worshipped and even tried to sacrifice to Paul and Barnabas at Lystra, but they prevented the people. They pointed to GOD, who alone deserves worship.

barny95:
mathew 4:10: Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

Jesus also accepted worship. (See Matt. 14:33; 28:9)

GOD even commanded worship to Jesus (Heb. 1:8 ) but He forbids worship to anything but GOD. (Exod. 20:2-5, Rev. 14:7, Deut.6:13)

If Jesus accepted worship which clearly belongs to only GOD, what does it mean?

Peacefullove:
you have a very big problem , man ! where is the verse that said Jesus is the true God in this epistle ? NONE kindly admit Jesus is a false God alien doctor

o boy, the same bible in a verse I cant remember also call human beings Gods , in greek it will be theos , the same exact word for God , so he didnt recognize false gods , are this humans true god since he doesnt recognize false gods ?

You know that there is a difference between "Prove that" and "Show where it is written that"?

The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but I can prove Trinity from the Bible.

I said I can prove Jesus is the true GOD, and you told me to do so. And I've done so.

Have you any more questions?

barny95:
do care 2 read n comprehend verses 27 n 28:" But when he says that ‘all things have
been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not
include the One who subjected all things to him.
28 But when all things will have been subjected
to him, then the Son himself will also subject
himself to the One who subjected all things to
him, that God may be all things to everyone."so jw do not say the Bible doesn't refer 2 Jesus as God. the Bible calls him mighty God but not Almighty God, so therefore Almighty God is greater than Jesus.
And then if you had the same attributes and characters as ur father does that mean u r father and u r entitle 2 everything he is entitle 2. Think deeply pls

What is GOD entitled to that Jesus is not entitled to?

themall:
Even a pagan knows that christian Jews still showed some respect for the mosaic law. Eve proselytes did same. So, did peter ans john say you should continue keeping the mosaic law? Show me where they said so

No, they did not say I should keep mosaic laws. However, they said I should keep GOD's laws. (See 1 Jn. 5:2-3)

Now, who told you to disobey GOD's laws?

themall:
but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commadments" Only Moslem will not know the new christian commandments. Read your bible and be in the spirit and you will know it. No one will have to tell you it is this or it is that. Then you will enter life

Please, tell me where the new christian commandments are written in the Bible.

Peacefullove:
alien doctor , Point out where your bible talk sey Jesus na the true God ? is that tooo hard

Okay.

Let's start from Jesus' Name: His Name is Emmanuel, and it means "GOD with us". You get it? GOD Himself with us.

Jn. 1:1 says Jesus Christ is GOD.

Jesus then proclaims: "I and My Father are One." (Jn. 10:30)

In Isa. 9:6 names like "Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" which pertain only to GOD are applied to Jesus.

In Jn. 14:15, Jesus claims GOD's commandments as His own. That can only mean He is GOD.

It may seem as if the Bible is contradictory in Jn. 17:3 when Jesus calls His Father the only true GOD. However, the "contradiction" disappears when one considers that Jesus says "I and My Father are One."

Common reason also demands that if Jesus is not the true GOD, then He is a false god. But we know that GOD does not recognise false gods. GOD even called Jesus GOD (Heb. 1:8 )

Peacefullove:
really ? a book from god having contradictions !


kindly prove it let me see , dont forget you are on another mission to contradict john 17 vs 3


am gonna have a good laugh tonight

Hmm. You really want to know who Jesus is or you want to laugh?

Barny95,

GOD subjected everything under Jesus' feet and Jesus Himself is subject to His Father. However, that text does not say that Jesus is not GOD.

Consider this: Jesus says He will send the Holy Spirit to His disciples. Now, is the Holy Spirit Jesus' servant or?

The Trinity is a Mystery in which the Father constantly seeks the glorify the Son and the Spirit, the Son constantly seeks to glorify the Father and the Spirit, with the Spirit constantly seeking to glorify the Father and the Son.

If Jesus Christ is not GOD, why does He possess all the attributes of GOD?

Peacefullove:
oga , he cant show you since its not there , this is why he gave the two condition. . all na wash, just to escape .



but you sef I see you are trying to be lenient , if something is not true , then its false . all this neither true or false doesnt count . Jesus is a false God . period .

I can prove from the Bible that Jesus is the true GOD.

Peacefullove, Good day friend.

The Bible is not contradictory; not even a bit. If studied without bias and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it will be discovered that the Bible is in complete harmony.

However, the Bible is GOD's word and if you approach it with human logic and try to explain it by your own reasoning, it will appear contradicory.

GOD is not an Author of confusion, and there is no confusion whatsoever in His Word.

GOD Bless You.

barny95:
Emusan, DoctorAlien, Solite3.,please open your eyes, hearts, minds and read 1 corinthians 15:24-28. Be sincere 2 ur self when u read it. Then explain whether God and Jesus Christmas are the same person or not. In fact lemme quote them : " 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."

Good day, friend.

I'll try to explain.

Jozzy4:
have addressed all this earlier on !

face it , show me Jesus is the TRUE GOD in John 1:1 ?

On two conditions:

1. Show me where Jesus said "I AM NOT GOOD IN THE ABSOLUTE SENSE OF IT" in Matt. 19:17 or Mark 10:18 or indeed anywhere in the Bible.

2. Tell me: if something is not true, what is it?

Lest I forget...

Jozzy4:
Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word .

Jozzy4:
you are from your father , the Devil !

show me " Jesus is the TRUE GOD" in john 1:1 ?

On two conditions:

1. Show me where Jesus says "I AM NOT GOOD IN THE ABSOLUTE SENSE OF IT" in Matt. 19:17 or Mark 10:8

2. Tell me: if something is not true, what is it?

Jozzy4,
If something is not true, what is it?

Please, if something is not true, what is it?
JWs be like "it's not true and it's not false"

Jozzy4:
exactly . if you think he is the True God tell us ? and if you think he is a false God tell this thread ?

JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD! JOHN 1:1 SAYS SO.