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Ubenedictus:
Which commandment do u obey? that of Jesus or that of moses?

remember d law of moses was trasistory 2 cor 3:7, was a ministration of death, a curse and we are no longer under it.

so tell me is it d law of death or d law of grace dat u follow?

Why are you beating about the bush?

Which commandments was Jesus talking about in Matt. 19:17?

Ubenedictus:
Which commandment do u obey? that of Jesus or that of moses?

remember d law of moses was trasistory 2 cor 3:7, was a ministration of death, a curse and we are no longer under it.

so tell me is it d law of death or d law of grace dat u follow?

I'm under the law of GOD.

Ubenedictus:
Galatians 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a
mediator.3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor until
Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a tutor.

d purpose of d law has been fulfilled in CHRIST.

What law is now guiding your life as a Christian?

Ubenedictus:
D ones repeated by Jesus and the new testament, d ones writting in d heart, d others are judicial and ritual laws.

Can you please tell me what GOD's moral law is? State it.

Syncan:
What that verse simply removes is the heresy that "once saved, always saved". Hence if we now agree with scripture that the believer can lose his salvation through sin, and we agree with scripture that not all sin lead to death, then what happens to the believer who died with sin not leading to death (eg. Lack of respect during prayer), for which he has not asked pardon of? That's were 1 cor 3:15 comes in, such a one will make heaven, but "so as by fire". He will be purged of those stain before entering heaven, for nothing unclean shall enter Rev.21:27 That's purgatory right there.

There's only one group of people that will be in Heaven: those that washed their robes in the blood of the lamb.

If somebody goes through purgatory into Heaven, what sanctified him and made him fit for Heaven?

Syncan:
Good, then was he conscious to run the race properly when he said this: But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. 1Cor. 9:27 Why will the great St. paul be weary of being disqualified, and you are here saying you cannot be disqualified, that everything has been paid for. It means you simply are getting something wrong.

I don't know how you twisted this convo into "once saved always saved". It is clearly not a Bible doctrine and I don't support it.

Syncan:
Stop confusing yourself. Those verses are in support of the fact that we have a part to play in our salvation, you didn't know this before did you?

Do the verses say there is purgatory?

If you say "working out your salvation" hints at purgatory (of course it doesn't), will everybody go to purgatory?

Ubenedictus:
His moral laws ie rigteous law are eternal, the same cant be said for d large ceremonial and judicial laws in d old testament, the bible says those ones are transitory 2 cor 3:7

What is GOD's moral law?

Syncan:
I have earlier given you a simple explanation and definition with scripture. I will now again use scripture to enlighten you again. However before i go on i need you to answer this first. Was St. Paul Saved at the time he was writing the epistles?

Yes. He was saved.

Syncan and Ubenedictus, what do you have to say about this verse?
"...But if thou wilt enter into life, obey the commandments" Matt. 19:17

Syncan, what do you have to say about the verses below?

“Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2.

"Sin is the transgression of the law" 1 Jn 3:4

They are just stringing verses that don't even hint at purgatory let alone supporting their false purgatory claim

Somebody is trying to twist "work out your salvation" to mean there is purgatory. Chai!

Ubenedictus:
so u dont need to 'work out ur salvation with fear and trembling'? if a person doesnt cooperate and accept the grace of God he cant be saved. Jesus said 'i stand at the door of ur heart and knock' but we are d ones who must open it frm inside.

God who created us without our consent does not save us without our cooperation.
We all have a role to play, anyone who disagrees make God a liar.

Is "working out our salvation" purgatory? Yes or No?

Ubenedictus, if you say the Law of GOD has been abolished, does this verse agree with you?

"All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal." Psa. 119:160

Ubenedictus:
Incase you dont know, d word 'pray' simply means to make a request, to ask, there is nothing sinful or wrong in making a request to someone.

the bible passage that confirms the honouring of mary is luke 1:48b "for behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed"

Where does the Bible ask us to make a request to Mary?

Did Jesus ask us to pray to Mary or make any request from her?

Is Mary able to grant you anything?

Ubenedictus, these are the words of Jesus:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:17-19

How is it then you say we are no longer required to obey GOD's law?

Ubenedictus, define purgatory and see if the following verses agree with the definition

DoctorAlien:
"But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of GOD;" Heb. 10:12

"For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb. 10:14

"And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." Heb. 10:17-18

"Christ also died for sins once and for all" 1 Pet. 3:18

Syncan, define purgatory and see if the following verses agree with the definition

DoctorAlien:
"But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of GOD;" Heb. 10:12

"For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb. 10:14

"And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." Heb. 10:17-18

"Christ also died for sins once and for all" 1 Pet. 3:18

"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Cor. 3:13-15.

Syncan, what scene is depicted in the passage above?

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Matt. 6:7

It's astonishing the length people are willing to go in distorting GOD's word to suit the lies they have chosen to believe.

joey150:
Guy go and read my post and answer again. No dey stress me Abeg. I am not responsible for what you understand.

Can't you defend your purgatory teaching again?
Is Christ telling us to agree with Satan?

joey150:
come to terms mean to deal with.

So, Christ is telling us to deal with Satan while he is with us on the way?

joey150:
education is over..if after 10 pages you didnt learn any thing i have been saying.. I doubt you ever will.

Now disprove purgatory i have been explaining with your verse. Or forget it.

You seem to not be interested in making points but in objecting to every point made.

If you cannot prove to me that the whole Bible is in sync with the purgatory teaching, then it is a lie.

joey150:
come to terms with. Is the word i used

So Christ advises us to come to terms with Satan?

What does it mean to come terms?

joey150:
so you did not see the explanation i gave down there?

Come to terms does not neccesarily mean to agree with.

What does "come to terms" with mean?

joey150:
1st of all proove to me that They defy purgatory!

I thought you were enlightening me about purgatory?
Define purgatory again and see if those verses agree with the definition.

joey150:
so you did not see the explanation i gave down there?

Come to terms does not neccesarily mean to agree with.

But Jesus advises us to "agree" with the adversary. Are we to agree with Satan on anything?

Joey150, define purgatory again and tell me if these verses agree with that definition

DoctorAlien:
"But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of GOD;" Heb. 10:12

"For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb. 10:14

"And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." Heb. 10:17-18

"Christ also died for sins once and for all" 1 Pet. 3:18

joey150:
completely very unrelated. Do you need more verses that support purgatory

Are those verses not in clear contrast to the purgatory teaching that we have a part to play in our sanctification?

joey150:
Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your adversary or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “adversary” is likely a reference to the devil (see the name word for devil in 1 Pet. 5: who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God.
This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Jesus advises us to "agree" with the adversary. Are we to agree with the devil? Can the Christian and Satan agree on anything?

joey150:
it is unrelated to purgatory so there is no way i can explain purgatory in light of it.

Do those verses support the idea of purgatory?