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Syncan:
There are three heavens mentioned in Scripture, Elijah did not go to heaven where God is. Jesus said so! Tomorrow God willing I will show you more about this, for the benefit of those who love scriptures and want to learn.

Where did Elijah go?

Joey150, do you agree with your brother Syncan that if you continue in quarrelsomeness, you will not "fall from grace"?

Syncan:
Have some shame when you tell lies. No one has said a believer should continue in any sin, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound. However, scripture recognize that man is imperfect and says " he who says he is without sin makes God a liar", Also there are sins that does not lead to death. In Gal. 5, St Paul lists sins that will send one to hell, do you now accuse St. Paul of encouraging other sins he didn't list?

Please can you show me a place that Paul says "quarrelsomeness" will not send you to hell?

joey150:
doctor alien have you read the verses i tagged you in,the ones that proved that there is possible atonement of sin after death?

or are you as usual going in circles and ignoring facts?

Do you agree with your brother Syncan that even if you continue in quarrelsomeness, you cannot "fall from grace"?

Syncan:
Now I hear the Pharisee speaking and pointing at the publican. You don't show impatience, you offer charity to all you should, you never criticize, you don't ever use uncharitable words. Not every one of us is like you, we strive each day to overcome, but often times we find ourselves into those things we try to avoid, like St. Paul. And just like him we die daily, in discipline and reparation. We don't call scripture a liar by saying we are without sin. However, we know death can come at any time, and our work will burn if we have even one of those sins, but we are sure that the justice will not allow anything unclean into heaven, yet we know that the mercy of God will not put us in hell, yet we shall be saved so as by fire.

So GOD will not put you in hell even when you stubbornly continue in quarrelsomeness. What delusion! Have you not heard that GOD is continually angry with the wicked? Or is being quarrelsome righteous?

He said Christ "assured" him that the Heaven written in 2 Kngs 2:11 is not the Heaven where GOD lives.

How ludicrous can people get in defending their lies?

Syncan, stop beating about the bush. Answer these questions:

DoctorAlien:
Where are these sins mentioned in the Bible and tagged "sins not unto death"?

Even if you continue being quarrelsome, you will not fall from grace, according to you?

Syncan:
Wow! Now I see one who does not sin . One who is ready for heaven because he does not commit any sin.

Yes. I'm not quarrelsome, I don't lack respect, I try as much as possible to live a life that is pleasant to GOD. I don't delude myself that I can continue meddling with sin and still not "fall from grace".

Syncan:
Do not assume, I have read it, and Christ has enlightened me further, by assuring me that the heaven written there, does not actually mean heaven where God is. For he said No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Which Heaven did He tell you that was?

Syncan:
Lol, but according to you, they will stroll into heaven with these sins, Since Christ have paid for them.

And when exactly did I say that?

When GOD tells us to flee every "appearances" of evil, do you he was joking? How can you shamelessly claim that someone who is quarrelsome cannot "fall from grace"?

You assume maybe everybody is quarrelsome, lacks respect and does all those things you listed there as "sins not unto death", maybe because you live in them, consoling yourself that you cannot fall from grace: please, flee every appearances of evil.

Nothing sinful will enter Heaven. And those who will enter Heaven will appear before GOD wearing only the righteousness of Christ.

Syncan:
Make use of your brain a little, don't be lazy.

Please answer the questions.

Syncan:
Don't worry, those who read our conversation will already know, that Like Jesus answered the pharisees who asked him by whose power he acts, so shall that scripture be there for you. If you don't believe Jesus, I cannot help you, I believe him.

Jn.3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven

Let me now assume you have not read this part of the scripture:

"...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." 2 Kngs 2:11


What do you now have to say?

Just look at how they are encouraging people to commit "sins not unto death" with the hope that they will not "fall from grace". Even when the Bible warns us to flee every appearances of evil. Surely Satan is working tirelessly.

Syncan:
They are many. I am sure you neglect them, they are sins that are not mentioned in the passage i gave you such as

Uncharitable criticism, desire for attention (vanity), disrespect, Ingratitude, quarrelsomeness, lack of respect in prayer, ignoring occasion to offer charity, and such likes.

Where are these sins mentioned in the Bible and tagged "sins not unto death"?

Even if you continue being quarrelsome, you will not fall from grace, according to you?

Syncan:
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

What is the sin not unto death?

Somebody does not know again whether Elijah was taken to Heaven or not. See what twisting GOD's word has led people into.

Syncan:
Really? Is it that you're lying or you didn't see it? Ok, just see the bold in my post.

Are there sins one can commit and still not fall from grace?

Syncan:
Listen to Jesus and answer yourself.

Jn.3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven

You won't answer again?

Was Elijah taken to Heaven? YES or NO?

Syncan:
Stop going in circles, i posted the below earlier.

You never posted how one can fall from grace: please, how can one fall from grace? Show me from the Bible.

Syncan:
Same thing you have been saying. If they have not received their reward, they lack it, hence they lack. And if you say they were in heaven, then it's simple, they lacked in heaven. Do you see how ridiculous your claim is? That's why you can't own up to it, and you suddenly decide not to understand again. Now you also make Jesus a liar Jn.3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven

Was Elijah carried into Heaven or not? Yes or NO?

Syncan:
Chai, sealed with the Holy Spirit means what? It is to the new man, the believer that st. Paul addresses thus Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?. So St. Paul says the New man, the believer is the temple of God.

So, if you "fall from grace", you have destroyed GOD's temple, according to you: how can one fall from grace?

Syncan:
Hahaha, my brother, lets just say the truth. If you have not gotten something that you need, you lack that thing. If they have not gotten their reward which they obviously need, then they are in lack? And you say this happens in heaven, so there is lack in heaven I don die.

Are you trying to force words on me?

Enoch and co are yet to receive the rewards of their good deeds. GOD decided to take them to Heaven according to His will, but until the Lamb was slain, their rewards were not made sure. That was why Elijah and Moses came down at the transfiguration to strengthen Christ for His task of redeeming humanity. They knew that the hope of their rewards rested solely on Christ's all-sufficient sacrifice.

Mixing a lie with truth does not make the lie true.

Syncan:
You just have nothing else to say. I will once again teach step by step.

When a man in accepting Christ, leaves his old ways of sin----- Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.

through repentance of heart----Eph.4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

he puts on a new man by the action of Grace from God----- Eph.4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This new man is the temple of God ---- Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

You have heard o, harden not your heart. Heb.3:15

Eph.4:30 doesn't say that the new man is the temple of GOD.

Answer my question: what is the temple of GOD?

Syncan:
Hahahaha, they are in heaven but have not received their reward, wow! . So they are in heaven but still in lack?

I don't know if you think the reward GOD's people are going to receive in Heaven comprises bags of rice and clothing, hence your bizarre notion that since Enoch and co are yet to receive their rewards, they are supposedly in lack.

Syncan:
I am sure I explained it enough for even a child, your sarcasm does not change scripture.

You explained what? That falling from grace is destroying GOD's temple? Is that teaching in the Bible?

What is GOD's temple?

Syncan:
So some people did not need the redemptive power of Christ's death abi. It was you who pointed out that Only those washed in the blood of Christ are in heaven, it is you now telling me that some didn't need to wash in the blood of Christ. Haba!

Did I say so?

Those people are in Heaven but none have received their rewards. Christ's death on the cross assured the reward they will receive.

Syncan:
1John5:17...There is sin that leads to death. These are sins that removes sanctifying grace, this grace keeps soul alive, but when you comit sins such as mentioned in Gal 5:19-21, you fall from grace, you become dead, you destroy the temple of the Lord. If you die in this condition without repentance, you go to hell.

If someone had no opportunity of hearing the good news and lived morally right, then he dies, will he go to hell?

So, if someone falls from grace, he has destroyed GOD's temple? Is that what the Bible says?

Ubenedictus:
613+10 LAW FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

My people perish for lack of knowledge indeed.

So tell me, what does this mean?

"...Only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all that my servant Moses commanded them" 2 Kngs 21:8

Ubenedictus:
i alreadY read and even xplained it to u

So, what do you have to say about the "when the ark was a preparing" part?

Syncan:
So Moses and Elijah came from Heaven, they were in heaven before Christ death abi? Yet scriptures says:

(Heb.9:11,12): "Christ being come a high-priest of the good things to come . . . by His own blood entered once into the Holies, having obtained eternal redemption.

Then according to you, the thief is in the grave, when Jesus had said to him "Today you will be with me in Paradise"

Now I see how much you believe scriptures.

Have you not read that Elijah was carried to Heaven by a whirlwind?

Or that GOD took Moses after his death?

Or that GOD took Enoch to Heaven?

These people were in Heaven before Christ's death.

Syncan:
Now you are being dodgy. Be honest and answer me, I have been answering your questions straight and honestly. Yes that verse is talking about hell. I did not say it's people who committed a particular sin. Destroying the temple of the lord is not a particular sin.

So destroying the temple of GOD is general sin? How many sins make it up?

If somebody lives the whole of his life on earth morally right, but did not acknowledge Jesus: we both know he is going to hell.

Did he destroy GOD's temple? Since GOD will destroy those who destroy His temple (and you said it is hell).