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Scholar8200:
Now do you realise that the Law was just a part of the terms of the Old Covenant that God made with Israel? Now we are under the New Covenant and the righteousness in the NT(or if you like the Moral Law) demands not just a faithful outward observance to written codes but a transformation of heart and a reception of Life and expressing same by faith!

What man can claim he has Faith in GOD when he continues in disobedience to GOD's law?
1 John 2:3-4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Amen.

Satan is really working tirelessly. Working through the antichrist (pope), he made a direct attack on the only commandment that shows truly who the Creator of the whole universe is. Pope Sylvester in 338 AD declared Sunday "the day of The Lord". This is in stark contrast to the day which GOD claimed as His own (Luke 6:5). Indeed, the beast speaketh haughty things. The 4th Commandment is an insignia of the fact that GOD is the sole Creator of everything that is. Jesus in Luke 6:5 vehemently staked His claim to the Sabbath, showing that it is not to be meddled with. It is the only commandment among the 10 that shows who the true creator is and why he deserves worship. Of course, GOD deserves worship because He is the Creator. The 4th commandment is the only commandment that shows this. And then, Satan has been working tirelessly to obliterate the true identity of the Creator. Indeed, he cannot succeed, "...for we are not ignorant of his devices."(2 Cor 2:11)

Scholar8200:
Consider the exposition of Christ on some parts of the OT in Matthew 5. What then might we say is the deeper dimension of the 4th commandment if Christ were to teach on same.

The 4th commandment is about as simple and straightforward as it gets. Christ saw no need to expatiate on that. The argument surrounding the Sabbath of GOD first appeared when the antichrist (pope) thought he could tamper with the law of GOD to accommodate all forms of paganism in Christianity. Of course, there are still a people who serve GOD in truth and in spirit, and who know that His righteous laws "...can never fail" (Luke 16:17)

Scholar8200:
Now do you realise that the Law was just a part of the terms of the Old Covenant that God made with Israel? Now we are under the New Covenant and the righteousness in the NT(or if you like the Moral Law) demands not just a faithful outward observance to written codes but a transformation of heart and a reception of Life and expressing same by faith!

What do you have to say about Rom. 3:31 "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law" ?

And what do you have to say about Psalm 119:160 "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal" ?

What is the meaning of eternal?

Scholar8200:
Where did I attack? Have I not been quoting Jesus and the Apostles?

Now do you realise that the Law was just a part of the terms of the Old Covenant that God made with Israel? Now we are under the New Covenant and the righteousness in the NT(or if you like the Moral Law) demands not just a faithful outward observance to written codes but a transformation of heart and a reception of Life and expressing same by faith!
From the sermon on the mount, we see that God's expectation from NT believers is higher than just the facial value of the 10 commandments but a heart in tune with the substance and essence thereof.


Consider the exposition of Christ on some parts of the OT in Matthew 5. What then might we say is the deeper dimension of the 4th commandment if Christ were to teach on same. I find the answer in Matthew 11:28-30 and Hebrews 4:3,10

Do you still live by the tenets of the 10 commandments? Answer me.

Scholar8200:
And where did Jesus charge ANYONE to seek salvation by sabbath observance? And where did PAul tell the Gentiles,'except ye keep the sabbath after the manner of the fathers and Moses, ye cannot be saved?'

Now, I want you to answer this question honestly: of all the commandments in the moral law, why have you chosen to 4th one to attack constantly? You seem to have no problem with the other nine. Now, what is your problem with the 4th one?

JMAN05:
Oga, the law has ceased both ceremonial and moral. However, the principles still guides xtians.

LOL. "the law has ceased but the principles still guide xtians". What a contradiction!

Meanwhile, any Biblical proof of your claim that the moral Law of GOD has "ceased"?

If then GOD did not spare His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, but gave Him up to suffer and die to save men from the demands of the Law(of which nothing could be done about), how much do you think He is angry with those who persist in transgressing His holy Law even after the warning has been given to them?

If you hear His word today, do not harden your hearts.

Scholar8200:
Besides, since the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in believers who walk after the Spirit, it means therefore that Christ fulfilled both the moral and the ceremonial!

This is a lie most terrible. Christ blotted out the handwritings of the ordinances against us and not the moral Law of GOD.

Do you know that in fact Christ had to die because the moral Law of GOD (the 10 Commandments) cannot be tampered with? The wages of sin is death. What is sin? 1 Jn 3:4 answers: "...sin is the transgression of the Law". The sinner had to die, or another would die in his stead. "...Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."(Heb. 9:22). What the blood of lambs could do for persons who sacrificed them was to just cover their sins; it could not blot them out. A more perfect sacrifice had to be made for sins, and Christ was the perfect sacrifice. He died to save us all from the death penalty hanging on our heads because we sinned. HALLELUYAH!

Google how Sunday worship came to be and you will be amazed by what you see. The man of sin(pope) thought he could do away with the holy Law of GOD. But the Law of GOD is eternal.

It is my earnest prayer, and I know, that very soon, the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of GOD, as the waters cover the sea.

Scholar8200:
Let's ask the Apostles and Christ Who at NO time called out 'sabbath breakers' and the need for them to repent and keep the sabbath in order to be saved!!!"

Jesus and the apostles had no need to call out Sabbath breakers particularly when they taught about relevance and sanctity of the Law because then, the antichrist (papacy) had not attempted "to change times and laws"(Daniel 7:25).

Do you know when and how disregard for the holy Sabbath of GOD came to be? From Adam up until the death of all the early Christians, no man disputed the sanctity of the holy Sabbath of the LORD. That was until the beast, the antichrist, the papacy thought it could tamper with the eternal Law of GOD.

Paul upheld the moral Law of GOD(Romans 3:31). Jesus emphasized the irrevocability of the Law (Matt. 5:17-19). All the holy men of GOD throughout the ages have kept the Sabbath of GOD.

Why do you think it should be any different now?

Philadelphia:
I'm good. It surprises me how people see the truth crystal clear but choose error.

It's the sad reality brother. What more can we do than to pray earnestly that "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea"(Hab.2:14)?

The harvest is truly plenty and the laborers, few.

Philadelphia:
I've given him some bible verses already. Good morning bro

Good morning bro. How are you doing?

thorpido:
Go through my posts.I already explained that.

I don't need a human explanation on how to love GOD. I need a Bible verse explaining how we can love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind. Can you give me one?

I know and I can give you a Bible verse that explains how to love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind.

Ahmed99:
exodus 20:8-11 I quote8“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days you shall la­bor and do all your work.
10but the sev­enth day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh­ter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cat­tle, nor your stranger who is with­in your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heav­ens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the sev­enth day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hal­lowed it. yea it matters all I said was either Saturday or Sunday only God knows

Who does not know that the seventh day is Saturday? Even if doubts were to arise about the true identity of the Sabbath day, could the whole Jewish race have lost track of the true Sabbath of GOD? Not at all, brother. The Sabbath of the LORD is the seventh day, which is Saturday.

thorpido:
If you keep the commandment of God which is to love,you are keeping the law.

We are instructed by Jesus to love two entities: GOD and our fellow man. Now, how can you love GOD with your whole heart, soul and mind? Back it with Scripture.

Bobbysworld28:
It is either u cannot comprehend or u r dumb. How many times will this be shown in Heb4?
I am out of this thread

And how many times will I explain Heb.4 to you?

Indeed, even the Pharisees called Jesus Beelzebub

I pray the LORD brings you to the full knowledge of His word.

Bobbysworld28:
Chisos! Daddy u can lie o.
So dt Psalm talks about God giving Abraham the 10 commandments?
Y r u grasping at straws? Go back, think through and come back when u r ready to make sensible argument

If anyone is grasping at straws, you are surely the person. Go back and read your Bible with an open mind. I pray the LORD will open your heart and eyes to His truths. Peace be with you.

Bobbysworld28:
The sabbath was given to the Jews and u keep it. It has been shown to u that it has been changed from seventh day to Today, u find it difficult to accept, y? Does it threatened ur institutionalised beliefs?

LOL. Maybe only the Sabbath commandment was given to the Jews but the other 9 commandments were given to Christians? Why do you find it difficult to accept the truth of GOD?

(What?! The Sabbath of GOD has been changed from Saturday to today? On whose authority? GOD's? Christ's?)

Concerning whether Abraham and all the Holy men of GOD throughout the ages kept the law of GOD, let us consider Psalm 119:160: "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal." (NIV)

Please what does eternal mean? Something to be done away with at some point? surely not. The law of GOD is eternal: from ages to ages it remaineth the same. AMEN.

Bobbysworld28:
I love as Christ commanded

Maybe GOD did not command love but Christ commanded love. Is that what you're trying to say?

Bobbysworld28:
I love as Christ commanded

How did Christ command to love? Answer me.

Bobbysworld28:
Sorry i dont abide by any of them or even anything delivered through Moses.

LOL, you don't abide by the commandments of GOD? You kill? steal? bear false witness? WOW!

Bobbysworld28:
Who gave him the commandments? Back it up with scripture.

I have as many Scriptural proofs of the fact that Abraham kept the 10 commandments of GOD as I have of the fact that Adam kept them too. But one word I leave with you: never think the 10 commandments were introduced for the first time on mount Sinai. Search your Scriptures.

Now, answer me: if you still abide by the other 9 commandments, why have you chosen the 4th commandment for constant attack?

Bobbysworld28:
Diregard? U see y u must hv been smoking something?
Please show where i said anyone should disregard God's law. I said u should choose d one dt appropriately applies to u. Which law did Abraham obey?

Abraham kept the 10 commandments of GOD.

If you still abide by the other 9 commandments, why have you chosen the 4th commandment for constant attack?

Bobbysworld28:
Na me write am? Please read it in context
Thank u

Answer yes or no: is the divine law of GOD which is called Holy also the law of sin? and of death?

Bobbysworld28:
Eternal rest? In Heaven? Wht r u smoking?

If it was eternal rest y talk of the seventh day, or even today? He would have simply said 'one day'
That scripture is a 'now' scripture, abeg

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
Hebrews 3:12-14 ESV
http://bible.com/59/heb.3.12-14.ESV

LOL. We are not trading derogatory words. And so, I won't speak in an untoward manner. Meanwhile, I don't smoke.

You have chosen to twist and try to bend the Scriptures to suit the lie you have chosen to believe: that Christians are now free to disregard the divine law of GOD.

It is my earnest desire that GOD helps you discover truths about Him.

Bobbysworld28:
Maybe u r reading ur bible with ur mindset. Please let scripture teach u to acquire the right midset.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 8:1-3 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rom.8.1-3.ESV
Can u see dt two laws were mentioned?

Indeed, you are the one in dire need of a change of mindset. What mindset is more terrible than thinking the Law of GOD can be done away with? Or trying to twist the truths of the Bible to suit the lie one has chosen to believe.

I pray the LORD opens your eyes.

Bobbysworld28:
Maybe u r reading ur bible with ur mindset. Please let scripture teach u to acquire the right midset.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 8:1-3 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rom.8.1-3.ESV
Can u see dt two laws were mentioned?

Is the Law of GOD which is holy also the law of sin? and of death?

DoctorAlien:
Hebrews 4 is talking to the Jews, about the eternal rest of GOD(in Heaven) prepared for the saints of GOD, those who believe on Jesus Christ. It is not news that at the time this was written, the Jews refused to believe on Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Paul warns them not to miss that rest. So, you can never use it as an evidence to say that the Sabbath of GOD has been cancelled. Let him that reads understand.

Again, read and understand.

Bobbysworld28:
Wht divine truths. I gave u scripture andu r giving me ur feelings?
Please walk by faith and notby sensory perception.

Answer this: wht commandment did Abraham and Eunuch use in being close to God?

LOL. You have actually left many of my questions unanswered. And the very big mistake you make is you think the 10 Commandments were first introduced on mount Sinai. Adam, in Eden, observed the Sabbath of GOD. All through the ages from Adam till now (including Abraham and Enoch), Holy men of GOD have kept the 10 commandments. Indeed, the law is Holy.

Bobbysworld28:
I have shown u this earlier. I am sure u r not slow. Read up Romans 7,8 and 9.
It should be clear enuf

By the grace of GOD, I have read those chapters, and He has opened my eyes to the beautiful truths in there. I pray you soon discover those truths, and know that grace does not allow that we should continue in sin(transgression of the law).