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Scholar8200:
Paul wrote that by the Inspiration of the Spirit! Read his epistles to get your answer

Answer for yourself: under whose Law do you claim to be now?


Because I know Paul never broke any of the 10 Commandments nor did he teach men to do so.

Scholar8200:
This matter on fulfilment and obedience has been dealt with; go look for it

You're yet to answer my question anyway: Did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth? Yes or No?

Philadelphia:
He can't answer because by sincerely answering, he's shooting his legs

Christ dutifully lived by the tenets of the 10 Commandments. Anybody who calls himself a follower of Christ must imitate Christ and try to live by the 10 Commandments.

Good day brother.

JMAN05:
Ya, read the context so well. Paul had stated that we have been released from the law. However that does not make the law bad, why? Without it sin would not be manifest. Without law, sin is dead' he said. So the law is good in that it made transgression manifest. This was to lead us to Christ, that ends its work. Rom 10:4. No one would say the tutor was no longer good.

If the Law is Holy and righteous, why would we need to be released from it? Are we going to be released from something Holy? Answer me.

JMAN05:
You didn't reply my comment. Do u still want to discuss? Xtians are under the law of Christ. I don't want u to shift the discussiin to this. Let's face the bible I quoted.

Is this Law of Christ different from the Law of GOD?

JMAN05:
Ya, read the context so well. Paul had stated that we have been released from the law. However that does not make the law bad, why? Without it sin would not be manifest. Without law, sin is dead' he said. So the law is good in that it made transgression manifest. This was to lead us to Christ, that ends its work. Rom 10:4. No one would say the tutor was no longer good.

According to the bolded part, are you saying Christians are no longer required to abide by the Law of GOD?

Concerning the argument between Christ and the Pharisees where He made a reference to David eating the shewbread, click this link to read what Christ was truly trying to teach: https://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Periodical&bookCode=RH&lang=en&year=1897&month=August&day=3&paragraphReferences=1

Scholar8200:
Why then the deafening silence on sabbath keeping in all the Epistles of the Apostles when describing the new life in Christ? And was Christ right when He declared the priests blameless even though they profaned the sabbath?

When Christ was on earth, and up until the time the epistles were written, this ruckus surrounding the Sabbath of GOD was never there. I mean, nobody ever disputed the Sanctity of the Sabbath. They knew they had to keep it because GOD commanded it. Jesus kept the Sabbath of GOD. Paul and all the apostles kept the Sabbath of GOD. All the Early Christians kept the Sabbath of GOD.

JMAN05:
The account says "we have been released from the law" Oga, not that "we have been released from the judgment". Off the default mindset so as to read the scriptures well.

If anybody has his default mindset on while reading the Bible, it has to be you who search the Bible just to see a verse that will permit you to continue in disobedience to GOD's commandments. But I'm sorry; if you search the Bible from now till eternity, you'll never see a verse where you are told to disregard the Law of GOD.

Back to the question. If you claim you have been released from the Law of GOD, under whose Law are you now?

Scholar8200:
I have given my answer to this question already. Jesus FULFILLED the Law. That's where the Bible stands and that is where I stand.

If you really are standing where the Bible is, you would know that you have no reason to continue in disobedience to GOD's word.

Scholar8200:
I have given my answer to this question already. Jesus FULFILLED the Law. That's where the Bible stands and that is where I stand.

Well, if you don't know, Jesus Christ never for one day transgressed any part of the 10 Commandments when He was on earth. You who claim to be His follower should have no reason to do so.

JMAN05:
How is that a contradiction?


Rom 7:6,7

6 But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. 7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said: " You must not covet"

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good"

Now, if the Law is Holy and righteous and good, do we need to be released from it?

Scholar8200:
I did not say that; that's your opinion arising from inadvertent or deliberate misunderstanding!

LOL. You're trying to say that at a point, the Law of GOD would be done away with. Now, answer me: Does it mean the Bible is not saying the truth when it says the Law of GOD is forever?

JMAN05:
Rom 7:6,7

6 But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. 7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said: " You must not covet"

Christ died to save us from the judgement hanging on ours heads because we sinned(transgressed the law. 1 Jn 3:4).

If you claim you have been "released" from the moral Law of GOD, under which Law are you now?

Of all the charges the Jews levelled against the apostles of Jesus even after He ascended into Heaven, the apostles were never charged with breaking the Sabbath of GOD or teaching men to ignore it. I wonder where this spirit of intolerance for the Sabbath of GOD came from.

Scholar8200:
Now what Law is the summary or essence of the 10 commandments? LOVE.

Now would the 10 commandments be relevant in Heaven? NO

But the Essence which is also the Divine NAture and the greatest commandment Love abides forever, (there abideth faith, hope and charity and the greatest of these is Charity)

So you're saying the Bible is lying when it says the Law of GOD is forever (Psalm 119:160)?

Scholar8200:
For the umpteenth time, He fulfilled the Law and all its righteous demands! And the law is fulfilled in all that believe on Him and walk in the Spirit!


Now read this very slowly and meditatively and with an objective mind:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,...
9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

Romans 10:4,5,9,10

It wouldn't kill you to answer with yes or no: Did Jesus Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
And what is the "Moral Law of God"?

The moral law of GOD is the 10 Commandments.

Obedience to the moral law of GOD is a mark of the true saints of GOD.

Rev. 12:17 "...with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of GOD, and have the testimoney of Jesus Christ"

Rev. 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of GOD, and the faith of Jesus."

Rev. 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life..."

Scholar8200:
This cannot be referring to the OT as they would no longer be relevant in Heaven

What is the OT Law? It cannot be the 10 Commandments because the Bible says the moral Law of GOD is forever.
Or has the meaning of "forever" changed?

So what is this OT law?

Scholar8200:
Well the pharisees also came to Jesus with a yes or no question regarding tribute to Caesar, did He give them yes or no answer? Wisdom is justified of her children!

The Pharisees came to test their GOD. I have not come to test you. You might know something I don't know.

So tell me, did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
The Greatest of the Laws describes God's Essence, Nature and Person and it underlies every other laws. God remains the same for all eternity, so does His Nature!

So if GOD does not change, why do you think His moral Laws can change?

Scholar8200:
He fulfilled it! That's the language the Bible used, i would stick with that!

LOL You can no longer answer with yes or no? Just answer with yes or no: Did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
I guess the answer above answers this.

Just explain what the word "eternal" means as it is used to describe the Law of GOD.

Scholar8200:
It is same as Matthew 5:18 and was spoken by He Who came the law to fulfil ( not obey mind you).

The word used -fulfil- is suggestive! When a prophesy is fulfilled it is said to have come to pass.

So answer this question with yes or no: Has the moral Law of GOD "come to pass" (whatever that means) ?

Scholar8200:
Fulfil includes but is not limited to obedience else what special thing did Jesus do that Elizabeth, Zechariah, Rich young ruler etc did not do? They all obeyed the law!

P. S.: the law brought them to Christ being the schoolmaster that it is!

Answer this question with yes or no: did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
we are no longer under a schoolmaster

If you claim as a Christian you are no longer under the moral Law of GOD, under whose law are you?

Scholar8200:
It is same as Matthew 5:18 and was spoken by He Who came the law to fulfil ( not obey mind you).

The word used -fulfil- is suggestive! When a prophesy is fulfilled it is said to have come to pass.

So Christ came to "fulfill" the law and not to obey it? So Christ did not obey the Law when He was on earth? So Christ transgressed the Law? So You're saying Christ sinned when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave commandment

Wither the keeping of sabbath for salvation in the New Covenant?

You are yet to define the word "eternal" used to qualify the Law of GOD in Psalm 119:160. If the Bible says the Law of GOD is eternal, please what does it mean?

Scholar8200:
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave commandment

Wither the keeping of sabbath for salvation in the New Covenant?

Who do you think the bolded part is referring to? Tell me.

Scholar8200:
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave commandment

Wither the keeping of sabbath for salvation in the New Covenant?

What do you have to say about this verse? Luke 16:17 "It is easier for Heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the law"

broswilli:
On the seventh day he rested. The seventh day is relative. Any christian group can choose that their week starts on tuesday and have their sabbath on the seventh day which would be monday. The sabbath day on the jewish calender usually starts from friday evening and ends on saturday evening. The catholic church that uses the Julian calender decided that their on seventh day is sunday. So the sabbath can be chosen any day depending on the group. But for convenience saturday or sunday are chosen. Remember during the days of the ancient jews there was noting like saturday or sunday. The keyword is every seventh day.

There is no confusion whatsoever as to identity of the seventh day; It is clear that the seventh day is Saturday. And we can be sure that the true Sabbath of GOD is the one contained in the 10 Commandments, which the Jews keep. The whole Jewish race in the world could not have lost track of the true Sabbath of GOD. So, the Sabbath is not "relative".