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Scholar8200:
Do you realise that you accuse them of being partial in the law Malachi 2:9 since NONE of them urged followers to keep the sabbath in order to be saved. Besides you make things worse by saying they were silent about it because no issue on sabbath then! Do you realise what this suggests? That all they did and said is only relevant for the people then but not for us since they did not face what we are facing? Wither the inspiration of the Spirit and what purpose does prophecy serve? Moreover, those that gave prophesies about the future said NOTHING about sabbath breaking! Were they being partially sighted?

How did I accuse them of being partial in the Law? When I've stated times without number that the apostles obeyed the 10 Commandments of GOD when they were on earth?
Moreover, when Paul said we Christians establish the law: did he not also establish the Sabbath of GOD, which is one of the commandments in the Law?

Or are you trying to accuse me falsely?

Scholar8200:
Because it could only go as far as revealing man's sinful nature and need Romans 7:13,14
Besides:
For what the law could NOT do, in that it was weak through the flesh ... Romans 8:3a (read on).

The law was to bring us to Christ!

In Romans 6:11, we are made to know that we are dead to sin. And then we are also told we are dead to the law. Is the Law sin?

Scholar8200:
Because it could only go as far as revealing man's sinful nature and need Romans 7:13,14
Besides:
For what the law could NOT do, in that it was weak through the flesh ... Romans 8:3a (read on).

The law was to bring us to Christ!

After bringing us to Christ, what happens with the Law? Tell me.

Scholar8200:
Kindly summarise it. But note that it must agree with other declarations in scripture, particularly the NT.

Do well to click on the other links I posted too to know the truth. If you spot anything that is not in concert with the Scriptures in any of the articles, point it out.

Scholar8200:
Kindly summarise it. But note that it must agree with other declarations in scripture, particularly the NT.

I don't need to summarize it. Click on that link, it would be well worth the time you spent reading. If you see anything that does not agree with the Bible in the article, point it out.

Scholar8200:
Rather, you are the one interpreting a portion to support your claim even if that interpretation does not agree with other passages!

Which commandments do you think Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 14:12 are talking about? Answer me.

Scholar8200:
First level these accusations against Paul who by the revelation of the Spirit said:
...whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace Gal 5:4b

...ye also are become dead to the law by the Body of Christ Romans 7:4b

...but now we are delivered from the law Romans 7:6a
Etc
I urge you to read the full chapters and see how you contradict the Spirit that inspired these!

By the Holy Spirit
...ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
Ephesians 1:13b


Funny interpretation that! Besides, you claim this much was revealed about RCC yet no one stressed the need to keep the sabbath then because there was no issue about it?
They saw the LovePeddler but did not see her activities and warn those who would be there at that time very preposterous claims indeed!

I posted a link somewhere above about Romans 7. Please, do well to click on that link to understand the message GOD is trying to pass across there.

Scholar8200:
First level these accusations against Paul who by the revelation of the Spirit said:
...whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace Gal 5:4b

...ye also are become dead to the law by the Body of Christ Romans 7:4b

...but now we are delivered from the law Romans 7:6a
Etc
I urge you to read the full chapters and see how you contradict the Spirit that inspired these!

By the Holy Spirit
...ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
Ephesians 1:13b


Funny interpretation that! Besides, you claim this much was revealed about RCC yet no one stressed the need to keep the sabbath then because there was no issue about it?
They saw the LovePeddler but did not see her activities and warn those who would be there at that time very preposterous claims indeed!

Can you please explain what "ye are become dead to the law" means?

Also, since the law is Holy and Righteous and good, why would we need to be delivered from it?

JMAN05:
The principle of the old law still guides us. We live under the law of Christ. I have said that before.

When you say Moral law I understand it to be the moral part of the mosaic law.

As I said above, This separation of moral from ceremonial is unscriptural. Even Jesus never made such separation when quoting from the Law. The Law is the same, so transgressing any of it makes you guilty of all.

Even when you did the separation, Rom 7:6, 7 shows that the moral aspect was no longer binding on us.

The moral law of GOD is no longer binding on you? You mean you can now steal, kill, bear false witness?

Okay, it is now clear that what you preach is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Bye.

Scholar8200:
But why the deafening silence about the 'plainest of the truths' where many other vices are painstakingly prophesied! Especially when you claim it is essential for salvation!
I wonder why you did not clarify the issues raised but rather makes claims that implicates the Lord and His apostles!

Quote any of the statements I made that "implicates" the Lord and His apostles.

Scholar8200:
Why not ask Paul why he used the word in Romans to make a distinction in explanation?


I also wish you will show me where you got it from that the Gentiles that believed on Jesus were to be made to keep the sabbath in order to be saved!


But the apostle had to use that term in making distinctions when making some analysis and that is what I have been doing.


If you hear His word today, do not harden your heart.
I wonder what you would have told the rich, young ruler if he told you he had kept all the law but still lacked the substance!

Did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth? Answer with yes or no.

So we can know where this argument stands

Scholar8200:
In/effect, you are implying that Jesus could reveal the moral conditions in the last days in Matthew 24 but failed to see the sabbath issue then; Paul could prophesy about the spiritual declension in the last days as 2 Timothy 3 shows but somehow skipped sabbath breaking; Peter, Jude etc perfectly described the impact of false teachers in the last days yet NONE was Inspired by the Spirit to see sabbath breaking!!! What an outrageous claim

Indeed, whoever that teaches you that you can now disregard the Holy Sabbath of GOD is a false teacher, whoever he is. Paul warned us about such teachers, who have a "form of godliness but deny the power thereof" (2 Tim 3:5).

The funny part of it is that Paul says that they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of truth"(2 Tim 3:7). LOL. They think they know much about GOD and His ways yet they continue in stark disobedience to the even the plainest of the truths of GOD revealed in the Bible.

Scholar8200:
But Jesus came to fulfill (not merely obey like Zechariah, Elizabeth etc did) the Law, what then?

Now answer the question with yes or no: did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

JMAN05:
The scriptural answer is yes. It has fulfilled its role. It is holy cos it came from God. However, God gave it for a purpose, to make transgression manifest.

But can it make those under it perfect? Nope. It can't fulfill that role for which it was not meant. It is thus weak and ineffective as regards perfection of humans. Heb 7:18, 19. It then needs to be set aside for another to finish the job.

The tabernacle and its utensils were holy, but has been done away with cos it has served its purpose.

If you claim that the Law of GOD has been done away with (just like utensils), what do you have to say about this verse? Psalm 119:160 "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal"

You also claimed the Law of GOD was "weak and ineffective": Here is what the Law of GOD can do in a man: Psalms 119:9-10 "wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word...O let me not wander from thy commandments."

JMAN05:
The scriptural answer is yes. It has fulfilled its role. It is holy cos it came from God. However, God gave it for a purpose, to make transgression manifest.

But can it make those under it perfect? Nope. It can't fulfill that role for which it was not meant. It is thus weak and ineffective as regards perfection of humans. Heb 7:18, 19. It then needs to be set aside for another to finish the job.

The tabernacle and its utensils were holy, but has been done away with cos it has served its purpose.

If you claim you have been released from the moral Law of GOD, under whose law are you now?

Scholar8200:
And how many times did they urge the Gentiles to keep the sabbath for salvation? The excuse of the sabbath not being an issue then suggests rather heretically, that the Bible needs to be updated to address modern day issues! God forbid!

Why would you even bring up the word "gentile" in your argument? Do you consider yourself a gentile even when you claim to be a Christian? When the GOD is very clear that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile...in Christ Jesus"(Gal. 3:28) ?

We are the spiritual Israel of GOD. The excuse that the Gentiles were not commanded to keep the Sabbath of GOD is a lie I don't know where you got from. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

If you hear His word today, do not harden your heart.

Scholar8200:
Question: IS THE BIBLE COMPLETE OR NEEDS SOME ADDENDA TO MATCH PRESENT CHALLENGES THAT WERE NOT THERE AT THE TIME OF WRITING?

The Bible is complete. I wonder when the completeness of the Bible became an issue.

Scholar8200:
And how many times did they urge the Gentiles to keep the sabbath for salvation? The excuse of the sabbath not being an issue then suggests rather heretically, that the Bible needs to be updated to address modern day issues! God forbid!

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all". James was writing this epistle to the early church of which Gentiles were part. This is James exhorting Christians to keep the commandments of GOD fully, not choose some to keep, and others not to keep.

You honour your parents, you don't kill, you don't steal, you don't bear false witness, you don't covet; all these things are from the same law. Why then would you choose to break one of the laws? Is the 4th commandment not also part of the Law?

You are the one implying that the Bible needs to be updated, if you dispute what is so clearly written in the Bible.

Scholar8200:
And how many times did they urge the Gentiles to keep the sabbath for salvation? The excuse of the sabbath not being an issue then suggests rather heretically, that the Bible needs to be updated to address modern day issues! God forbid!

Tell me where and how I implied that the Bible needs to be updated?

Instead, you're the one who has outrightly implied that the Bible needs to be updated, since you have disputed the truths contained in it. What can a man have against the moral Law of GOD? You keep resisting the truths of the Bible, twisting and distorting and misinterpreting Bible verses to suit the lie you have chosen to believe.

With what are the disciples of GOD sealed? Isa. 8:16 answers.

It does not matter whether you are in the RCC or not: all the churches which have inherited Sunday worship from the RCC and teach and practice it are the harlots being talked about in Rev. 17:5. The RCC is the mother of harlots.

The Law of GOD is eternal

Scholar8200:
In/effect, you are implying that Jesus could reveal the moral conditions in the last days in Matthew 24 but failed to see the sabbath issue then; Paul could prophesy about the spiritual declension in the last days as 2 Timothy 3 shows but somehow skipped sabbath breaking; Peter, Jude etc perfectly described the impact of false teachers in the last days yet NONE was Inspired by the Spirit to see sabbath breaking!!! What an outrageous claim

LOL. Have you now resorted to laying false accusations against me? Where did I ever imply that the Bible was not complete?

Meanwhile, you keep running from the question I asked you: Did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth? Answer with yes or no.

And to know why the old covenant failed, I urge you to click on this link: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/88/t/why-the-old-covenant-failed

To know the truth in detail about the Sabbath of GOD, I urge you to click on this link: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/87/t/why-god-said-remember

To clearly understand the true message of Romans 7 (which many people misunderstand), please click on this link: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/10066/t/the-flesh-and-the-spirit

To have a proper understanding of how Grace works, and of the fact that it does not blot out the moral law of GOD, click on this link: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-gods-grace-blot-out-the-law

The true disciples of Jesus Christ are those who keep the commandments of GOD. They do not harden their hearts to the truths of GOD revealed to them.

Now, understand me: We can never attain righteousness by trying to keep the Law relying on our human strength. The righteousness we try to obtain through only struggling to keep the law is as filthy rags before GOD. We obtain salvation by Faith in Jesus. This Faith also includes trusting in Jesus Christ to give us the power to obey GOD and keep His commandments and live rightly before Him.

With what are GOD's people sealed/marked in the Bible?
Isaiah 8:16 "Bind up my testimony, seal the law among my disciples"

Deut. 11:1 "Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy GOD, and keep His charge, and his statutes, and his judgements, and his commandments, alway."

One cannot claim He loves GOD if refuses to keep GOD's commandments.

Scholar8200:
I know! However if you claim the issue of sabbath was what the antichrist will change, then why was it not stressed and emphasized by Jesus and the Apostles? This refutes the excuse that there was silence because the sabbath issue had not arise!
Daniel spoke about the antichrist opposing daily sacrifice but said nothing about sabbath!

Here is Ezekiel prophesying about the apostate church (the Roman Catholic Church) breaking the Sabbath of GOD and teaching men to do so:
Ezekiel 22:26 "Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things...and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them"

Scholar8200:
It means you are wrong in your claims! Otherwise why the deafening silence by Jesus and the Apostles on sabbath if it is essential for salvation? Moreso since they knew of the antics of antichrist? Afterall Jesus warned us in Matthew 24 Luke 21 etc why did He omit the Sabbath?

Which of my claims are wrong? And how many times will I have to tell you that this argument surrounding the Sabbath of GOD was not there when Jesus and the apostles and the early Christians were on earth? Were the apostles ever accused of breaking GOD's Sabbath?

At the time the epistles were written, all the Christians kept the Sabbath of GOD. Tell me, was there any need to admonish them to keep it, when they were already observing it?

Scholar8200:
I know! However if you claim the issue of sabbath was what the antichrist will change, then why was it not stressed and emphasized by Jesus and the Apostles? This refutes the excuse that there was silence because the sabbath issue had not arise!
Daniel spoke about the antichrist opposing daily sacrifice but said nothing about sabbath!

Show me any single text in the Bible where it is implied that at the time Jesus and the apostles were on earth, there was any doubt as to whether the Sabbath had to be kept or not.

Scholar8200:
Meaning the Spirit that isnpired the scriptures did not know that these things will come up? When there are prophesies and commandments spanning milleniums?

In 2 Thess 2:3, we see Paul prophesying about the antichrist, the pope, (which is the man of sin, the son of perdition) who would cause many to fall away and oppose and exalt himself above anything that is called GOD. Read about all the papacy did during the dark ages. So, indeed, GOD knew skeptics and those who hate His law would arise. But He also sufficiently warned us that His Law cannot be tampered with.

Scholar8200:
He FULFILLED the ten commandments!

Please explain the word "FULFILLED" to me.

Scholar8200:
Meaning the Spirit that isnpired the scriptures did not know that these things will come up? When there are prophesies and commandments spanning milleniums?

GOD knew the antichrist, which is the pope, would try to tamper with His Law. Check Daniel 7 and 2 Thess 2:3. Christ also reaffirmed the sacredness of the Law in Luke 16:17 to remove any doubt concerning the sanctity of the Law.