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Bobbysworld28:
U r still going round in circles.
U want to keep d Sabbath? Fine! Pls remember that the day has changed from the seventh day to 'TODAY'.
i hv given the scripture earlier

I have also explained Heb.4 to you. Please do not harden your heart if you hear GOD's word today. Why would you insist in rebellion against His word?

Bobbysworld28:
Read ur bible abeg. Stop being recalcitrant

LOL. I try everyday to read my Bible and by GOD's divine grace my eyes are opened to His divine truths. Please, you should read your Bible and see for yourself that the Grace of our LORD Jesus Christ does not in anyway tamper with the divine law of GOD.

It is my earnest prayer that GOD will open your eyes to His divine truths. Only do not harden your heart.

Bobbysworld28:
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
Hebrews 8:6-7 ESV
http://bible.com/59/heb.8.6-7.ESV

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 ESV
http://bible.com/59/heb.8.13.ESV

How can the Commandments of GOD be found faulty if they are Holy according to Romans 7:12?

2 Kings 21:8, "Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them."

It is clear, here, that GOD gave a law and Moses also gave a law. The law of Moses was blotted out on the cross, but the law of GOD stands forever!

Deuteronomy 4:36; 5:22, "Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: ...These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the
midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me." It's important to notice that after God wrote the Ten Commandments, he "added no more" to this Law, yet God gave Moses statutes, precepts, judgments, and ordinances afterwards. If the Mosaic law was part of the Ten Commandments, there would be a contradiction here, because God did add more to this law! But there was no contradiction, because God considered the Ten Commandments to be a separate Law. The Ten
Commandments were spoken by God himself to the people, so that God would instruct them. There was no mediator involved! Moses was not the mediator of the Ten Commandments. But he was the mediator of the sacrificial laws.

Bobbysworld28:
But it did not fail. Christ accomplished it.

For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:18-19 ESV
http://bible.com/59/heb.7.18-19.ESV

The Law of GOD, which you agreed is Holy is now useless and weak? Eh?

Bobbysworld28:
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:4 ESV
http://bible.com/59/1jn.3.4.ESV

I ask u: what Law? The one from Moses or from Jesus.
The laws are different for different dispensations
For example, some commandments dt Moses gave were faulty

They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce and to send her away.” And Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment.
Mark 10:4-5 ESV
http://bible.com/59/mrk.10.4-5.ESV

Jesus is truth. Take his word and abide with it

It is clear to all and sundry that the law is the 10 commandments. Moses did not write the 10 commandments, mind you. GOD wrote them with His own divine fingers. Moses was the one who wrote the ceremonial laws (over 600 of them). And in the ark of covenant, the two laws were kept separate. They are different.

You claim the death of Jesus Christ did away with the Divine
Law of GOD, but these are the words of Jesus Himself: "And
it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of
the law to fail." Luke 16:17

If the Law cannot fail, how then can you tell me it is no longer relevant to the people of GOD? Or do you think Christ was lying?

Bobbysworld28:
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:12 ESV
http://bible.com/59/jhn.15.12.ESV

So are you suggesting GOD has His own Laws while Christ has His own? Are you suggesting schism between the Two? Answer directly.

The ceremonial laws were pointing to the Lamb of GOD, Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, the ceremonial laws (over 600 in number) are rituals and processes to follow just to temporarily cover the sin of the sinner(who transgressed the 10 Commandments). The penalty for sin (transgression of the law) is death. The Law of GOD (10 Commandments) is different from the ceremonial laws. Now, Christ has died, and nailed those ceremonial laws to the Cross. We are no longer required to kill lambs and do sacrifice. Christ is the one perfect sacrifice. And as we try everyday to live by the commandments of GOD through the power of Jesus Christ, we can ask for forgiveness through His blood whenever we sin (transgress the law). This is a mystery.

If you hear His word today, do not harden your hearts.

Bobbysworld28:
Stop being cheeky. Cut and join gospel is bad. He upheld the Law because it was not useless but goes on to say:

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Romans 7:4-6 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rom.7.4-6.ESV

U r dead to that Law through Christ. Do not harden ur heart. Embrace Grace

Read Romans 7:12. We are meant to understand the law is Holy. How, then, can we released from something that is Holy?

Do you know that the laws we died to through Christ are the ceremonial laws?

Bobbysworld28:
Stop being cheeky. Cut and join gospel is bad. He upheld the Law because it was not useless but goes on to say:

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Romans 7:4-6 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rom.7.4-6.ESV

U r dead to that Law through Christ. Do not harden ur heart. Embrace Grace

What do you have to say about 1 Jn 3:4? Tell me.

Hebrews 4 is talking to the Jews, about the eternal rest of GOD(in Heaven) prepared for the saints of GOD, those who believe on Jesus Christ. It is not news that at the time this was written, the Jews refused to believe on Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Paul warns them not to miss that rest. So, you can never use it as an evidence to say that the Sabbath of GOD has been cancelled. Let him that reads understand.

Bobbysworld28:
The fine print was amended.

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, [b]again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” [/b]saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:6-8, 10 ESV
http://bible.com/59/heb.4.6-10.ESV
Do u see for urself that 'sabbath' was redefined from one day to today? No wonder Jesus said they that must worship God must worship him in truth and in spirit. Legalism has been outlawed, please stop living in the past

So, a question: are the 10 commandments no longer relevant to Christians? If yes, who rendered it irrelevant?

Bobbysworld28:
Paul upheld the law? U need proper schooling o! Pls read through Romans.
The commandments of God at different times for different people cannot be generalised. The law came by Moses, Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus. Which do u want? Law or Truth?

I never knew GOD had different laws for different peoples at different times, eh? So, how many laws has GOD given out already? To how many sets of people? What is GOD's law for present-day Christians? Can you tell where and exactly how GOD gave it? Is it different from Jesus' commandments to Christians? If yes, What is Jesus' commandments for Christians?

Bobbysworld28:
Paul upheld the law? U need proper schooling o! Pls read through Romans.
The commandments of God at different times for different people cannot be generalised. The law came by Moses, Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus. Which do u want? Law or Truth?

"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold it." Romans 3:31

I want the law of GOD, which is truth. Psa. 119:142 "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is truth"

Don't be deceived about what Christ came to do: He did not come to destroy the law but He came to show us How man is expected to live in obedience to the law of GOD. Christ never broke any of the 10 Commandments (even the 4th one) when He was on earth. Should we now, His followers, break any of them, claiming grace? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? And what is sin? The Bible answers: 1 Jn 3:4 "...sin is the transgression of the law."

thorpido:
Please try and go through the explanation i made with money.
Man cannot attain unto the righteousness of God by trying to keep the law because the flesh cannot make man perfect.Jesus came to give(to everyone who believes)the righteousness of God which gives a man right standing with God.There is where the fulfilment is.That man can walk in righteousness which he cannot achieve by trying to keep the law perfectly which he cannot accomplish.

Does that mean we should no longer try to keep the commandments of GOD because maybe Christ gave us His righteousness? Do you not know that faith without works is dead?

And what do you think that Christ meant when He said the law cannot fail? Or when Paul said he upheld the law?

thorpido:
My use of money is an allegory.It's to illustrate so it's relevant.
Fulfil means to accomplish an event,to accomplish a promise.Do you know about God promise through the seed of Abraham?

Does the Law contain any promise which needed to be fulfilled? What did Christ do to the Law when He "fulfilled" or "accomplished" it? If you agree He did not do away with it, what in particular did He do to it?

thorpido:
Jesus said,I can of my own self do nothing,as I hear so I speak'(John 12:49)
The teachings of Jesus are the teachings of God.

Good. So, in essence, you agree that Jesus asks us to keep the 10 commandments, because they are the Law of GOD. Why then have you continued to attack the Law of GOD (which includes the 4th commandment)?

thorpido:
The death of Christ didn't do away with the law.Rather it fulfilled it.Look at it this way,if you had N100 note and I come and give you N1000 naira note,will you rather keep the N100 note or release it and accept the N1000 note knowing fully well you have ten N100 naira already?
If indeed you accept the N1000,why would you insist on still seeing the N100 note?

I'd like you to fully define what you mean by "fulfilled" here.

And indeed, if the death of Christ did not do away with the Law of GOD, why have you continued to attack and oppose the divine Law of GOD(which includes the 4th commandment)?

Your narrative of money notes do not rhyme with the question at hand.

thorpido:
His message of love and obedience to his teachings.

GOOD. Which teachings? Teachings of Christ? Does GOD The Father have His own teachings while Jesus Christ has His own?

"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." Romans 3:31 (NIV)

Here, Paul makes it clear beyond doubt that Faith in Christ Jesus does not by any means cancel the relevance of the Law of GOD(The 10 commandments). Paul upholds the Law of GOD, and that includes the 4th commandment. It can never be tampered with.

If you hear His word today, do not harden your heart.

You claim the death of Jesus Christ did away with the Divine Law of GOD, but these are the words of Jesus Himself: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17

The Law of GOD is eternal. It can never fail. Man can never twist or distort any part of it. Man cannot even interpret it the way he likes. The divine Law of GOD (The 10 Commandments) are founded on justice and righteousness and the saints of GOD will continue to keep the 10 commandments forever in Heaven.(Isa. 66:23). AMEN.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:17-19

What have you to say about these verses? And why is it that of all the commandments of GOD, the 4th one has been chosen for constant attack? At what point did GOD cancel the Seventh-day Sabbath and command us to disregard it? And what do you have to say about this verse: "The works of His hands are verity and Judgement; all His commandments are sure. THEY STAND FAST FOREVER AND EVER, and are done in truth and uprightness" Psa. 111:7-8? Do you think the Bible was joking?

These questions are begging for answers.

thorpido:
I didn't say just 'believing' in God.It is actually accepting that Jesus Christ died,was buried and raised from the dead for your salvation.Not everyone believes that and certainly not devils.
Accepting the works of Christ is what sows that love in you because that work of Christ was sown in love.
The commandment is love.

Then how can we love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind? What commandments did Jesus advice us to keep in John 14:15 to show that we love GOD?

thorpido:
John 3:16 I believe is well known to you.
John 1:12 says,'but as many as received him,to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name.
First it is about believing the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.When you do that,you receive him and the 'power to become' is granted unto you.That power makes you do the things of God.It makes you walk in his righteousness and walk in his statutes.
The bible says the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts(Romans 5:5).God himself puts that love there.If you give Him that attention and fellowship with Him,you will grow that love.

If you mean believing on GOD is loving him, then that is a terrible lie. "Thou believest that there is one GOD; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble" James 2:19. So, clearly, belief in GOD and his power is not love for Him.

A hint for you: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

Now, what commandments?

Philadelphia:
I guess I mistook you for someone else. Wanna send you a pm.

Replied your PM bro

thorpido:
If you love your neighbour,would you kill him?Would you steal his property or covet his wife?Would you disrespect your parents if you love them?

How can we now love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind?

I need answers to this question: how can we love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind as Jesus commanded?

thorpido:
'Hang all the law and the prophets' means the law of love encompasses all that Moses stated in the law and all that the prophets spoke about.
I'm not contradicting myself,rather your comments affirm my points but you seem to be mixing all up.
If you love,why would you kill?Why would you steal from your neighbour or take his wife?Love covers up all the law.That was what Jesus came to do.He came to sow the love of God in the hearts of men.Men couldn't have that love.All they could do was try to observe the laws which they couldn't keep perfectly anyway as DoctorAlien agreed.

Now if you cannot kill, steal and bear false witness, why have you chosen the 4th commandment to do away with?

If the laws were given to Jews and not Christians, are we now free to kill, steal, disrespect our parents, covet our neighbours' property and bear false witness?

thorpido:
The dictionary doesn't define scriptures.Dictionary meanings were not coined by religious people.
Jesus being a Jew died for mankind- non-jews inclusive.He brought about a new order that makes all mankind God's people.The Jews had God's religion which others didn't have.
Some services holding during the week sometimes take the exact tune of regular sunday service.The choice of sunday is just for convenience.
Let me give you a poser: in UAE churches hold on fridays.
Exodus 20:10 you quoted was for the jews.Find out the difference between a jew and a Christian first so you can understand the scriptures better.Christians are not Jews for whom the laws were given.

If I may ask you a question, How can we love GOD with all our heart, soul, mind according to Matt. 22:37?