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dalaman:
A house by definition is a shelter. You can.construct a house and not use it for anything for sure. But houses as we know serve a pur pose which is to shelter humans. That is the objective purpose of houses worldwide to shelter humans. What is the objective purpose of human beings?

So I can no longer bring out my own money and command that a house be built, for which I have no purpose?

dalaman:
A human house is constructed to shelter humans. So there must be a purpose and direction behind it because it was constructed to serve a purpose. What is a human being created for? Pls tell me.

I can construct a house with no purpose for it. What are you saying?

KingEbukasBlog:
I was just observing .

You guys bad oo

When I first came online I thought the theists and atheists switched arguments

I saw Dalaman screaming consciousness and purpose ... I was shocked

4everGod:
He wouldnt. He kept hammering on consciousness and purpose being behind non complexity but when it came to him then there is no purpose and consciousness behind his complexity.

Chai Chai Chai... This is a record high on the scale of ignorance

4everGod:
The truth is that he does not realize that we have been using semantics all this while and relating that to evolution. My brother that his level of ignorance deserves an award.

EXACTLY!

All we've been doing is tryna replicate what their arguments look like when they present their case for such things as evolution.

I'm so amused by this.

dalaman:
Explain to me how a desert wind in synergy with sand can construct a human house.

I knew that little exposition would fly over your head. LOL

I never expected you to grasp it, anyways.

4everGod:
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DoctorAlien Do you now see that the man is lost in Limbo? Abeg i am done. Such flagrant ignorance!

It is too unreasonable to be real.

4everGod:


Or Bonobos

If this is what it will take to educate his ignorant mind, no problems.

I must admit, anyway, that this strain of adamant ignorance in him is extraordinary.

dalaman:
It can not. It is impossible. To build a bungalow you will need design something only a consious mind can do, you will need purpose and intention something only a consious mind can do, and you will also need direction something only a consious mind can do. Random forces like desert winds can never build a big alow because it is impossible for bungalows to be built by random forces.

There is a logical fallacy called "affirming the consequent." It goes like this: if A, then B. B, therefore A. e.g. If Smith testifies against Jones in court, Jones would be found guilty. Jones was found guilty. Therefore Smith must have testified. (for what it's worth, Jones could have been convicted without Smith's testimony).

Just replace:

Smith with Humans

Testifies with Mix some sand and stones and and dig some ground and hit some nails in a particular manner

Jones would be found guilty with a house appears.

dalaman:
A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

Good. Could the house not have been built by chimpanzees? Why must it be man?

dalaman:
A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

Appeal to complexity. Do you accept such arguments for the Creator of the universe?

dalaman:
A house needs to be designed by a conscious mind with purpose and direction. Something that is completely absent in the desert winds. Desert winds are random as such they can not construct a human house.

Can a confusion of strong desert winds not strive against each other and upon such materials as sand, water, stones and cement found in the same desert for an arbitrary number of hours, at the end of which you have a perfect bungalow with 12 by 12 rooms in it?

dalaman:
You areare a ridiculous sophist. There are some things that humans accomplish that winds can because random acts can accomplish them, example planting of trees. Trees have been planted by winds long before humans came into the earth. The mechanism involve in tree plantin makes it possible for random winds to accomplish them. The mechanism in constructing houses makes it impossible for winds to construct them. End of story. You have failed.

What mechanism involved in constructing houses makes it impossible for desert winds to build a house?

dalaman:
I have already explained why it is impossible for desert winds to build a human house. Let me state it again. A human house needs purpose, direction and a consious mind to build it. Desert storm are random, directionless and without not consious. As such it is impossible for it to build a human house . Of you disagree then explain how it can.

1. I can build a house without any purpose at all. Maybe I have too much money.

2. What exactly is direction? Placing one block on another? Can you prove that a mighty wind cannot place a block on top of another?

3. So to what part of building a house is consciousness essential?

Can you prove that desert winds in synergy with desert house cannot build a house?

4everGod,

Don't mind me bro. Sometimes it's very tedious to educate grossly ignorant people.

I'm tired, anyways. I cannot withstand his level of ignorance and dishonesty.

dalaman:
You have not told me how random forces can build houses in a desert. I can logically explain to you how random forces can plant a tree. But you can not logically explain to me how random forces can build a human house in the desert. [s]A human house needs a consious force with sma sense of direction and purpose to build it. That alone has already disqualified desert wind since they ate directionless, random and without not consious.[/s]

Stop constructing Strawman arguments. Winds, as mindless as they are, accomplish things which man with a conscious mind can accomplish. Don't bring in purpose. I can do a thing without any purpose in mind.

dalaman:
I have already done that. Random forces do not build human houses, it is impossible. If you disagree then show us how. You have nothing so you can run away. It's allowed.

That is like saying "GOD exists. It is impossible that He does not exist. If you disagree, prove that GOD does not exist."

I seriously don't want to believe that you're this uninformed.

dalaman:
I have already done that. Random forces do not build human houses, it is impossible. If you disagree then show us how. You have nothing so you can run away. It's allowed.

How can you tell me "random forces cannot build a house in the desert because it is impossible for random forces to build a house?"

You need to go and pick up your handbook of basic logic.

dalaman:
Random actions and forcws in nature can not build human houses. So you have failed.

The burden to prove the above rests on you. And if you're not gonna prove the above, but are only intent on running around, then don't mention me again.

Thank you.

dalaman:
I have already told you why it is impossible. A human house needs a consious mind with a sense of purpose, intention and direction to build it. Desert wind isn't consious and is random as such it can never build a human house. Of you disagree then explain to me in details how desert winds can build a human house.

And I told you that wind which you described as not conscious can also accomplish a task which man who is conscious accomplishes i.e. planting a tree.

So, prove that it is impossible for desert wind to construct a house in synergy with desert sand.

dalaman:
Demonstrate how desert winds can build a house. We are NOT talking about trees here. How can a desert wind construct a human house? I said it's impossible you said it's possible then explain how.

Mr. man, just prove this:

dalaman:
It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house

dalaman:
A human house does not exist in nature. It is a creation of humans. Rivers, mountains, deserts, landscapes etc all exist in nature. We have seen them all being formed without any creator.

Heck even planets have been clearly explained to form without any creator. Things that exist in nature are different from things that are man made.

You keep showing us how knowledgeable you are.

You said this:

dalaman:
It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house

Please prove it. Just prove it.

Don't ask me to "prove how wind can construct house" because this is the same crime of which you accuse Christians: asking you to prove that their assertion is not true, instead of going ahead to prove what they themselves have asserted.

4everGod:
Can you define the origin of evolution again for me?

dalaman:
It takes a consious mind with a direct purpose to build a human house. Desert wind isn't consious and acts randomly with out any purpose as such it can never build a human house.

Explain to me in details how a random force like the desert win in synergy with desert sand can build a human house. Am waiting.

It takes a conscious mind to plant a tree. Wind can also deposit a seed in an arbitrary place and a tree grows there.

So what are you saying?

dalaman:
It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house in synergy with desert sand. if you disagree then explain how. The mechanism and all needa to be explained by you in details. What can be asserted without any evidence deserves to be dismissed without evidence.

Prove the bolded. It's your assertion.

Note: I inserted the the phrase "in synergy with desert sand" as that properly represents my argument.

dalaman:
Because desert winds do not build human houses. If you know any human house that has been built by desert winds then show me. We know that human beings alone build human houses. So any where we see one we know it was built by humans. If you know any house that exist anywhere in the world that was not build by humans show me the house.

That is not the proof that a house found in the middle of a desert was built by a man. For what it's worth, that could be the first house built by desert wind in synergy with desert sand.

4everGod:
When they are hit with truths they cannot dodge they all run away and go and brag elsewhere how they trashed the theists

dalaman:
We know humans build houses that is why we also know that when we see a house in a desert it must be built by humans.

We don't know what created the earth. We don't know if the forces of nature created the earth. Most of the scientific explanations for planetary formation do not give room for a creator. We have seen natural forces creating stuffs like mountians, rivers, landscapes, deserts etc. Same forces could have created the earth we don't know for sure. If you claim some external force created it then point to that external force. It's that simple.

Answer 4everGod's question: why did you not assume that winds and sands in the desert built up the house?

Anyway, your assertion that "absence of evidence is the evidence of absence"(I never knew someone could assert this) has been conclusively proven wrong.

hopefulLandlord:
can you elucidate on that sir? I might not fully agree with what he said but definitely wouldn't go as far as saying it makes him appear unlearned

so pls kindly show me what I'm missing, I wanna learn

You: There is no pink unicorn under my bed right now.

Me: Prove it.

You: Because I cannot prove that there is a pink unicorn under my bed right now, there is none there.

It is the same thing as me concluding that you have never felt shame in your whole life simply because you cannot provide proof that you have ever felt shame.

You can see the adequacy of such logic. The present absence of proof does not mean perpetual absence of proof, and so does not mean proof of absence.

dalaman:
What is the evidence that there is no blue elephant hiding under my bed as I am laying on it right now?

The absence of evidence that there is one. Case closed.

No, the fact that you cannot demonstrate to me right now that there is no whatever under your bed is not the evidence that such a thing is not there. That is not an evidence to me.

I'm not impressed by this level of reasoning.

You can't say that the proof that nobody created the earth is the fact that the Creator cannot be seen.

Neither can you say that the proof that nobody built a mansion found in the midst of a desert is that the architect is nowhere to be found.

dalaman:
The absence of evidence is evidence of absence. In this case we have clear documentation from the whites that brought christianity to Nigeria. They said there were no christians in the region they captured until when they introunced the people to the religion.

You are making a case without any evidence. Just point to any thing that says Jesus was appearing to the people living in Nigeria before the white people came or shut up.

That statement makes you appear unlearned.