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Kaycee54321:
Saw a status post from a lady friend who's now a liberal LGBTQ+

My primary school mate many years ago oh...but now, chatting with her makes me feel so old and out of place with the terms.

Post was about keeping the b.ussy and p.u.ssy clean because it was other people's meal.

CC DonJazet, no be say I dey find trouble, but, are you aware?
Because I was not informed.

I've seen that term bussy before but I thought it was entirely something else. I didn't know this was what it meant.

WhoDeyHause:
Lmao. My second favorite dead barka fan after andrewbaba. I lost my close brother earlier last week after a long battle with terrible sickness. He was in final year supposed to be in his nysc camp so you understand the state I was. I had to come back home to run around, sourcing for funds to do the burial as we have to bring the body back home to bury as that's my places tradition. then comfort my mum and family at home. Some bastards tried to use the situation to extort us who are still trying to make ends meet not minding the situation at hand. Sometimes when I troll it's not as if I truly hate anybody's moniker or like to disturb. I just use it as an avenue to escape the daily struggles and pain of this world. This earth is a battleground full of wicked people so I'll try to make myself and others happy for as long as I live.
Just drop your trolling for me and my club I'll read them later after all you know if it is me I will deal with you. Bye.

I'm just seeing this now..

I'm sorry for all you go through bro. Keep powering on.

Ibime:
Check this UK population census from 2021 and tell me what merits the attention except Political agenda

Some niggas never seen a trans in their life and will make ten posts a day about the matter

The ones shouting the most just do it to steal vote from emotionally unstable people and will never codify it into law when they are in power

We all know that the equality act that protects me and you as black men is the same equality act that will allow the trans community identify as whatever they want , and no party will do anything about it. But to make plenty noise about it for political posturing against an insignificant percentage of the population, that one is sure.

Very well said Ibime.

The trans community have simply become a stick with which to hit liberals with when in essence they are almost insignificant.

Still highlighting my point which is that underage sex is bad and has nothing to do with liberalism.

raumdeuter:
Actually those Nigerian footballers that they accuse of being age cheats can just say they are trans-age

Trans people will soon apply to play female world cup since they are participating in female sports already. Emenike, Osimehn can report to Falcons camp

Simple question dayo, is liberalism been a good thing or a bad thing?

raumdeuter:
You having to give your child permission is even a conservative thing, By liberal standards, They are human and should take decisions for themselves

The Florida law that became a controversy was a law that says "You cannot teach any kid under 9yrs about sexuality WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT ". Yet liberals lost their minds and claimed it was repressive to seek parental consent before you teach kids under 9yrs about sex

Liberals argue that Children these days do not need parent permission to change their sex or take hormone blockers, Something that alters them for life, why should they take permission to have sex?


And if we are being honest, Having consensual sex with your agemate before 18yrs is less damaging than changing your gender before 18yrs. A significant number of adults alive today had consensual sexual encounters with their agemates before they became legal adults and they are normal adults today. So kids having consensual sex with their agemates is less damaging than surgically altering their sex

I truly want to understand your central point with all these.

You yourself are as liberal as they come on several social issues.

You are pro-lgbt rights, you are pro abortion (even up to 9 months), you are pro-immigration as an immigrant yourself etc
These are all liberal ideals. Infact I'm sure you fall under the umbrella many people ignorantly label "woke". So what is the central point of your argument today??

Is liberalism suddenly a bad thing or what?

CrystalTiger:
Wokeness and confusion na 5&6...Woke individuals are always confused about the confusion in their heads..

I honestly don't take woke people seriously.. They never argue to learn..

Please what exactly is "wokeness"?

It's always fun seeing people who can't exactly define that word but keep throwing it around.

Throw around a word you don't understand, thinking you're smart when all it does is exposes your obvious ignorance.

Ellexy:
The liberals have been pushing aggressively for children's autonomy the last few years. This autonomy recognizes that children have the right to not just have a say but also make decisions in matters that affect them and to exercise a degree of self-determination and expression.

The video link you shared had minors enjoying their rights to self expression and you're condemning it as a liberal...It's a contradiction of ideologies.

I dunno why you're playing the Nigerian society card here because you're also blowing the horns of the LGBTQ in the same society. You didn't remember we were conservative all these while or what?

My point has been very simple from the start, liberalism is a good ideology founded upon good tenets. But of course, everything has an extreme.
I disagree with anyone who ever says children can or should be subjected to any surgical modification cum gender reassignment. It's very extreme, hence why soo many people including liberals themselves oppose such extremism.

Liberal ideals have shaped the last 100 years of western culture and we can see that they're so society are stronger for it. Inclusion of all human beings regardless of sex, race, gender or identity.

People gravitate towards these societies because of their encompassing liberal ideals. You could be anyone and anything and still thrive and be respected. Unlike other societies that still oppress minority groups or disadvantaged groups.

To end this back and forth, I will ask you a simple question; do you think liberalism is a bad thing??

seankafor:
when you support all these absurdities and irregularities called LGBTQ+, what do you think it is?

So you finished supporting LGBTQ+, and you want me not to support underage sex?

I ask again, who do you think you are?

It's the fact that you can't see the sheer illogicality in your posts.
How is liberalism equal to underage sex??

Which liberal has ever argued that underage sex is acceptable?

Why exactly are you equating gay people to straight underage sex?

Even sef by your logic, you that supports and actively engages in defrauding innocent citizens, do you also support murdering and slaughtering Innocent citizens?? My point here is that, there is no general consensus on liberalism.

Each individual interprets his belief system based on those ideals and yes some might be extreme.

There is no reason why, because I support the rights and equality of gay people, I'm somehow bound to also support underage sex. Your logic is not logicing.

seankafor:
and I ask again, who do you think you are to decide where to draw the line?

Since you embrace wokeness, you should embrace it with all entirety not drawing the lines where it doesn't suit you

What exactly is "wokeness"? An ideology? A movement? What is that?

And what encompasses "wokeness". I would like to know. And I ask, have you heard me say I'm woke or something along that line?

Because all I see is someone of low intellect who simply can't understand the depth of arguments he profers.

seankafor:
to be honest eeh, I don't understand the basis of your arguments most times

You embrace selective wokeness and liberalism.. who do you think you are?
You support lesbians, gays, trans, gender equality, noun/pronoun identification, but yet you don't accept kids sexually exploring themselves ..

I ask you again, who do you think you are?

I'm asking again and again;

What has liberalism got to do with underage sex? Has there been any liberal who said, it's okay and acceptable for children to have sex??

And what makes you think that all liberals think exactly the same?

Once again, liberalism is an ideology whose basic principles are equality under the law, progressive changes to society and an open society free of discrimination.

Various liberals have different interpretation of these ideals, hence a slight tendency for extremes. But extremes don't define the whole body.

There are some radical christians and moslems who actively kill people for their belief, does it define all religious people as bad or extremes??

Ellexy:
The extremes of yesterday are today's norms. Adults are identifying as kids, men as women and vice versa, whites as blacks and vice versa. Some are identifying as disabled and putting themselves on wheelchairs, some as animals etc. There is no line the woke left [liberals] won't cross.

They're inviting children to drag shows, threatening to take kids away from parents who won't pander to their madness. Making a case to justify paedophilia in calling pedophiles "Minor attracted persons".

If in the world of liberals, you can identify as anything and do whatever you like with whoever is down with you, what is wrong if those kids identify as teenagers or adults and exploring themselves? Afterall they are not harming anybody are they?

It's a free world, live and let live, stop being judgemental and mind your business. Why hate on the kids...

Again, painting all liberals with one brush as though they share a single common world view.

I need you to read and understand that last line in this definition very well.

It says; LIBERALS ESPOUSE VARIOUS VIEWS DEPENDING ON THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE PRINCIPLES .

I personally do not understand transgenderism. I've tried to research but it's been largely inadequate. So since I can't understand this, I barely engage on a subject matter I don't firmly grasp but what is inalienable or inarguable is their equal rights as human being.

Whatever one wishes to identify as is his or her inalienable right but one thing I believe is universal is the notion that children are incapable of making their own decisions. Any bad character displayed by a child is an indictment of his parents or guardians.

This is simply strawmanship because you haven't shown me the correlation between underage children having sex and what it has to do with liberalism. These are nigerian kids, is our society not largely a conservative society?? You're misdirecting your points the wrong way.

Theflint1:
Well said, and the outliers/extremists of today will down the road be seen as the pioneers; those who helped create a more equal and just world.

I'm thinking of how to qualify this post exactly. Those "pioneers" you speak of in your post, do you qualify them as "good" or "bad" people??

Do you personally view them positively or negatively?

Conservatism is about preserving the existing traditions. About preserving the status quo and a lot of times, this means, actively fighting and resisting change.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Who formulated this universal knowledge?

So what if i want my kids to make their own decisions, pay for hotel rooms, have sex and take drugs?

You can't be supporting liberalism, and choose where to draw the line. It makes you no different from those opposite LGBTQ and others.
As a liberalist, nothing should be wrong with that video.[/color]

I see that the word "liberalism" is now being bastardized here.
Please take a little time and truly understand what that word means.

The core tenets of liberalism is about individual freedom, progressive change, and equality of all.

"Universal law" means that a law is generally accepted. In many countries around the world, children are not treated as adults, the constitution recognizes children as humans incapable of making their own decisions and any decision they make or legal document they sign must be cosigned by a parent or a guardian until they are legally recognized as adults.

Please note the meaning of the word liberalism.

Ellexy:
I mean liberalism is the willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas. Liberals are now telling us that kids can choose and determine their gender and sexual orientation. So what's wrong with these ones being themselves and exploring new ideas?

First of all, this your post has nothing to do with the twitter post I just shared. So you've basically invented a new narrative away from what I said by talking about transgenders and sexual orientation (LGBTQ). That twitter post was about underage children having sex, how does this equate with liberalism?

Now let me actually address your invented narrative, especially @ the bolded.
There is no particular gatekeeper of "liberalism". What you're highlighting is basically the extremism of liberalism and those that believe the bolded are fewer in number, hence the rapid pushback seen against that particular narrative from many including other liberals.

It's universal knowledge that children are incapable of making their own decisions. They need guidance from parents and a caring community.
So yes, extremes are never good, however extremes do not define an entire ideology. So in the end this is apple's and oranges.

Ellexy:
But isn't this part of liberalism?

How? How on earth is underage sex an ideal of liberalism?

Quite a sad sight.

Where are their parents😭😭 pic.twitter.com/BviuNZFNwK

— favorite_babyy (@_favorite_ada) May 17, 2023

DeadPresidents:
Hah! Don J, i know say you be Atheist but fear God

Even Germany no get that kind rail. Munich to Berlin is 5 hours with the fastest train and 2 hours by air.

Calabar to Zamfara in 5 hours will be an extraordinary feat. I’d pay all the tax they ask if we are guaranteed such infrastructure.

Yeah, it's an exaggeration, obviously.
But you get the point. Obiano was arguing against taxes and I'm saying his point should be about efficiency of the use of the taxes.

seankafor:
If you have a son and due to western cultural influence, he identifies as a dog 🐕 and starts barking and doing dog things, what will you do

This is strawmanship which has nothing to do with my point.

It's synonymous to asking if someone identifies as a stone, what will I say?

Well, I would like to hear further from that person and understand how his thought processes works and why he would ever want that but most importantly, I would recognize that it is his RIGHT to do so.

seankafor:
even our own culture here has also evolved and modified..

We must not swallow everything coming out from the west ..
We should be at least independent and also have some independent features in our life and culture..

So if your son comes out tomorrow and identifies as a dog, because we should be liberal, you won't counsel him..?

But that's the thing, liberalism isn't a "western thing". It's a natural phenomenon. Liberalism means "progressive change". Change is constant. Even our present culture is more liberal compared to our own grand father's societies where twins were killed and widows drank the bathing water of her dead husband and compulsorily shaved their heads when their husbands died.
Now we've evolved from that and I'm saying we need to evolve faster and become a better liberal society.

Women rights, marriage equality and gay rights are not "western culture". They are liberal ideals. Ideals that encompass tolerance, freedom of individual rights and an open society. These are good things, don't you agree?

obainojazz:
Having money you worked hard for in your pocket is really sweet.

Except, the conditions and institutions that enabled you to thrive and succeed were built upon the backs of everyone in society through taxes.

In an ideal country, everyone would be happy to pay more than 50 percent of their taxes to the government, IF they know and are confident in the fact that that money would catapult their society to the pinnacle of development. Building the best public infrastructure. Infrastructure like affordable high speed rail that connects calabar to zamfara under 40 minutes. That constructs and maintains power plants that enables cheap electricity for constant 24 hours, well equipped public schools that guarantees quality education for all and sundry, roads and bridges that decongest everywhere and ensures smooth rides to destination of your choices and longevity of your vehicles. Seeing low levels of poverty and unemployment at very low levels.

That is how it should be and western countries have achieved varying degrees of these to good success levels. Unemployment and poverty are very low because of safety nets provided. All citizens have access to students loan to study whatever course they choose to study. Every single old person in the country are paid and taken care of by the government whether you paid into it or not.

These are elements that have seen these societies thrive above the rest.

Rather than calling for lower taxes, we should clamor for better efficient ways of spending taxes.

seankafor:
bro, do you wish to throw away our ancient cultures and embrace western culture ?

Aren't you mentally enslaved?

They can enjoy their lesbianism in west but our law and culture here doesn't support it.. why can't people just uphold their law and culture.. culture is a way of of life..

But that's the thing, I want to know what you think is "western culture". Because last I checked, if you look back 100 years into the cultures of the Americans, Britons, french and the other Nordic countries we all call "western countries", you will find that they also had a hostile culture towards women, gays and other things we frown out here today.

Gays were brutalized, imprisoned or worse. Same place we are today.

So i think it's fair to say that they themselves also "threw away" their culture but I will rather say, "they evolved" for the better. As all traditions and cultures should. They became more encompassing. They became more open minded, they became more tolerant such that both of us talking today can have our children go there and lead their own societies.

Obama's father was an average Kenyan like you and I in Nigeria who went to America and In less than 4 decades later saw his own son become the most powerful man on earth. That is the beauty of liberalism. Our own children could be the Obama of tomorrow. Everyone is equal. Society is open for all and everyone has room to thrive irrespective of your gender, race, tribe or origin.

raumdeuter:
When I hear people shout about right wing govt, I just wait for them to grow older and have responsibilities

The problem with this is that "right wing government" while appealing, financially to the average person is completely abominable socially. And there seems to be no way to reconcile the two.

You as an individual are very left leaning on social issues. You support gay marriage, abortion rights, marriage equality and to some extent pro-immigration as an immigrant yourself but conservatives are staunchly against these issues. And there is barely a basis for bi-partisanship on these issues. So how do you reconcile these issues with people who are openly fascist?

A001, I will like to know your personal opinion on this.

These are 2 lesbian nigerian women, getting married in the US, yet inculcating aspects of their African tradition in their marriage and also religion despite both traditions publicly negating the same sex practices.

How do you view something like this?
Are they right in inculcating their tradition ina same sex marriage which their tradition doesn't recognize and do you think their tradition be altered to recognize this?

This is the thin line where liberalism clashes directly with conservatism. Something you seem to battle with in a way, you want things to change progressively but you still advocate for our ancient conservatism.

How do you interpret this?

nihilistjnr:
Walahi that guy is an abcess on the buttocks of humanity.

Still obsessed with me nihilist??

Your first post on this thread in weeks is literally to insult me while logging your alternates for likes. Such a pity indeed.

I love the space I'm occupying in your head. When is the rent due?

BlueRayDick:
Una don wan start tribalism this morning again. Una no dey tire ?

But why is talking about a serious and visible issue in our country a taboo??

I don't understand. Why the heightened fear immediately we shine light on an obvious problem happening in our country?

What I posted here was a trending issue on nairaland and twitter. It was funny seeing posters who were highly tribalistic commending this same person who has just been accepted by his host community abroad when we know the kind of values they themselves espouse.

Why would we seek to run away from an obvious problem. Do we think not talking about it would make it go away? Are you blind to what happens on the frontpage?

raumdeuter:
Let Enugu Onitsha Aba and Abakaliki lead by example and show Lagos the Colorado way by electing one of the numerous Hausas living in those places as their governors

At least no one is telling Abia Anambra and Enugu to ronu o

Lagos is unlike any other state in Nigeria. It's a place where the native indigenous lagosians themselves are less than 15% and a state built by people from all around the country and administrative circumstances. You don't see anyone making this kind of noise of inclusion in ekiti or Ibadan or ijebu. Lagos is unique to these places.

As to your point about the Enugu and abia, Nigeria has actually had it's fair share of inter-tribal governance. At least until APC goons like yourself highlighted our tribal lines.

Here is a northerner being elected in Enugu not to talk of the most recent where a Yoruba man was elected in abia state.
So this point is dead on arrival.

We should all strive for an ideal nigeria, not one where we remain divided.


https://www.nairaland.com/2620955/first-elected-mayor-enugu-hausa

Of course, it's the usual Neutralists" who are indeed corn-filled that would rush to attack.

Those who are very guilty of what we talk about. Go outside the country and enjoy dividends of democracy while support the rubbish at home.. you go to a land where you are the minority and the target of xenophobic rhetorics and that still doesn't open your eyes to the dangers of tribalism.

Foolish people.

A Nigerian makes history in Colorado, America.

Notice how he's being celebrated by all and sundry.

But let this happen in Lagos, the biggest metropolitan city in Africa and watch how people will start remembering his birth place and how "his people" want to take over and how they should "ronu oo".

The very best.

My point exactly.