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BlueRayDick:
Gbogbo eleyi o necestry now

E dey necessary oo. Make e no be like the devil's deal, use right hand give gift, use left hand collect am back by supporting the factors that make more people need help and become dependants in our country. The altruism gats extend to one's political choices.

It is undeniably heartwarming to see charitable acts and the beneficiaries filled with glee. Kindness and generosity is what the world needs more of. I won't lie, the terrible political cynic in me offensively whispers whether it is an image laundering act based on his political leanings deemed offensive to many. But nonetheless, good has to always triumph and must be amplified and encouraged as much as possible. Dayo and obaino have brought warmth and happiness to a lot of people's hearts. I encourage others also better suited to do so to look around people around them and also lend a helping hand.
Our country is doing quite badly and I hope that this austerity moves by dayo also extends to his political inclinations.

Happy and a prosperous 2024 to you all.

Happy new year everyone.
May this year be a year of blessings for everyone. Amen.

Seun:
Actually, tribal bigots don't bring traffic. The less toxic a platform is, the more traffic it will attract. That's why I had no financial concerns whatsoever about banning the crap out of tribal bigots on Nairaland. But the supermods didn't cooperate, so I had to do a lot of it myself. Once I got tired and left it to them, that was the end. If you ask them they will insist that they are doing the job, but the data says otherwise.

Seun, it's good that you do indeed take note of the complaints of the users.
Since pre-election period, I have relentlessly brought to your notice how the APC campaign was visibly undoubtedly running a propaganda troll farm on nairaland frontpage. Their means included multiple dubious monikers used for multiple fake likes, you will see a comment with dot having multiple likes. The monikers that do this are familiar.
It would be best to get to rid of these propaganda troll farms.

The less said about tribalism, the better, but I believe that you were wrong to single out "south eastern tribalists" as the people clamouring for this site to be rid of tribalism. Many neutrals wish to stop see tribalism in any form. It's harmful to this site and the society as a whole.

Lastly, please for the love of God, improve the site features and UI. We should be able to host Twitter, Instagram and Facebook links, posts and videos without one having to be directed to the apps.
There should be a feature where one cam save and bookmark favorite posts and threads for later viewing.
A dislike button would be a nice feature.

I pray you get to see and consider these suggestions.

DissTroy:
These women know how manipulative they can be and their tendency to put only their interests first; the naysayers on that thread inclusive.

Please stop generalizing based on gender. There are very many good women out there with good and lovable characters. (Your mum and sister hopefully). And there are terrible "manipulative women who put their interests first".

Just like you have good men with good characters and personalities and then violent and terrible men who proudly calls his fellow human beings cannibals, beasts and corpse eaters. Stop generalizing based on gender. It's truly a primitive way of viewing things.

Merry Christmas to you all.

Obidients on this thread, shebi una hear??
All of you who joined in attacking me, shebi una eye don clear?

raumdeuter:
If he delivered for Asiwaju when he was needed then he is my friend. Just like everyone who delivered for Asiwaju on this thread and made the PBAT presidency a reality

You are the MVPs

Gaslighting for governments failure as usual.

Creating excuses for the failed government. Something never afforded to Jonathan. We didn't hear all these excuses for the PDP. When it gets to "our son", it's propaganda and gaslighting ad infinitum.

Grow a fvcking conscience.

This monerrozi account is one to watch. Posting this for future reference.

Let nobody ever forget the context of that post.

donjazet:
I don't see the drug baron winning new votes.
You really think that the average Nigerian is motivated to go and vote for APC again?
We were motivated for APC 4 years ago and 8 years ago. They failed us! Many like us who voted for the APC in the hopes of them starting something new are what you call "dissatisfied voters" and you can bet your ass, a significant portion of us are OBIdient right now.
APC don show us shege, they've rubbed mud in our faces.
Me and Ibime were the strongest buhari supporters on this thread both in 2015 and 2019.

Only people like that vulture griller, mannabbq vulture griller are still making noise for that dead party.

While he doubled down on his support in the face of abject failure of the party. W
We are moving on to a new hope. A fresh party. And you can smell the breath of political revolution in the country.
Watch and see

Then also keep this point in mind.

This last election was a once in a lifetime election and opportunity.
We had a very rare chance to have a hard reset of our entire political system. A revolution by all standards. We raised a tiny party from nothing to a national party in a record 4 months. The last election held a lot of promise.

For you to see that rare opportunity and be a stumbling block and STILL support the old system was you being very stupid!.

Try to imagine a majority house of rep and Senate filled with fresh and untainted elected officials. With a tiny party beating all odds to get there. Tell me this country wouldn't have changed instantly for the masses.

This last election held the most significance of our lifetime and anyone who stood opposed to that was simply a bad person who didn't mean well for us. That person deserves to be mocked because the awareness about the implications of this election was unparalleled.

raumdeuter:
When someone votes the party in govt and he is suicidal or just lost a beloved one, Will a little call out in the moment of grief be appropriate as well?

If this individual is proven to be a hardcore supporter of the governments EVIL ACTIONS. Fights those who are trying hard to see the country get better, sometimes mocking opponents of the opposition when they complain about bad governance, then YES!!! That person doesn't deserve an ounce of goodwill. His chicken has come home to roost.

I saw the tweet of a woman who also mocked Dr chinelo when she was shot on a train, now begging for hospital aid. Who in his right senses would help such an evil person who has also displayed a crass show of tribal and politics induced inhumanity?

So YES. If that person is famed for being hyper partisan to the point of being blond and deaf to the plight of his country, then he doesn't deserves to be pitied. And larride was the number one vocal supporter of buhari and now tinubu on this thread. It's a no brainer really.

I insistently continue to draw the line between voting and support for a party\candidate.

No one here will have ever seen me go to the end of the earth to defend the indefensible. Rationalizing the actions of a corrupt government, I was sold on the APC bandwagon because I believed that buhari will tackle public corruption. We had to choose a lesser evil and when he faltered, I criticized strongly.

Also, The 2015 and 2019 elections were leaps and bounds different from the last election. Those elections were characterized by "games". Games of elite and the poor masses had no choice but choose which they felt was the least evil. A terrible choice to make.

This next point is very important.

This last election was a once in a lifetime election and opportunity.
We had a very rare chance to have a hard reset of our entire political system. A revolution by all standards. We raised a tiny party from nothing to a national party in a record 4 months. The last election held a lot of promise.

For you to see that rare opportunity and be a stumbling block and STILL support the old system was you being very stupid!.

Try to imagine a majority house of rep and Senate filled with fresh and untainted elected officials. With a tiny party beating all odds to get there. Tell me this country wouldn't have changed instantly for the masses.

This last election held the most significance of our lifetime and anyone who stood opposed to that was simply a bad person who didn't mean well for us. That person deserves to be mocked because the awareness about the implications of this election was unparalleled.

Previous elections, very many people would be completely unaware that something serious was actually going on, same cannot be said of the last election.

I hope this point makes it clear why my case was very different from the last one.

DissTroy:
It's the irony. Campaigning for and defending the worst candidate of the top three in terms of health, scandals, and financial misappropriation who's certain to tether the sinking ship to the submerging fallen boulder, hasting its descent into the abyss; yet telling everyone aboard it to abandon the sinking ship in the same breathe even when the would-be captain was already predicted to cut off the life buoys, shrinking their escape options if they so choose to abandon ship.

Like someone stated months back on this thread, it's taunting. Some sort of sadistic perversion.

I did! I said it. Those people are demons in human forms. No other explanation. Being far away, yet supporting evil. It's a devilish behavior.

I will say this again. Emigration is an unfortunate human disaster. It's usually a last resort for many who feel like they have no option but to run away from all that they hold dear. And millions of nigerians don't believe that Nigeria is a failed state or is doomed to eventually be a failed state.

In as much as things are bad for Nigeria, they are still a lot better than a lot of places. Nigeria is still highly ranked ahead of other African countries and even some south American countries. Cuba, Ecuador, Colombia etc where violence is practically a way of life and life expectancy basically doesn't exist due to a culture of violence from birth. Children smoking, child soldiers etc. many other African countries too, but I digress.

Discussions and conversations about our country, it's governance, it's institutions, it's fault lines should not be blurred and muddled by talks of japa. As we're not talking about individual endeavors but our collective societies.
If not for us, for our descendants. The descendants of those who stayed when china was very bad are those enjoying the wealth of the country today.

On an individual level, yes, you can decide to japa but as I've said, it's not a permanent solution, some of us, the "unambitious"ones will strive to see our country work.

nihilistjnr:
I have the memory of an elephant, so when I do call backs, you might not remember but I do.
Donjazzet, you made this post in response to a call to japa, shortly after that church massacre in Oyo state
That was in June 2022. This is December 2023.

In the space of a year 20 million naira went from £40k to £13k.

That's 70% of the value of the Naira lost in a year Sir.
Donjazzet made this post in June, just last year.
Since then GSK has left Nigeria. Procter & Gamble have left Nigeria. Sanofi have left Nigeria. 3 of the biggest multinationals in the world have decided that Nigeria had no future for them.

My point is bigger than any shalaye you might think I'm making, and I'm not taking shots at you.

My advice has been consistent. Any ambitious and aspiring Nigeria should leave Nigeria as soon as he can because I can see the opportunities here.

What is coming to Nigeria is worse. Much worse. And I say that as someone who has heavy financial investments in that hell-hole. I know for a fact I can never recoup my money.

Nigeria is finished. What you're seeing is the final spasms of a dead organism.
JAPA. First.
Leave talk of collective blah blah to who no know road.
Save yourself.

You are still missing my point by a very wide margin and doing the exact same thing I'm talking about.


We're not arguing the merits and demerits of emigration (japaing). And indeed they are. But when you can accept the simple fact that not every single nigerian can or will emigrate out of the country, then perhaps you begin to see the point I'm making. Nigeria will always exist and there will be people here to make Nigeria whatever it will be.

The mindset that Nigeria WILL NEVER WORK is a hugely insulting fallacy to all of us. Because we have seen with our eyes countries that transformed from very poor nations to wealthy nations in the twinkle of an eye. India is estimated to be a 20 trillion economy within the next 2 decades, Singapore is the 12th richest country, South Korea has no natural resources but became very rich by technological innovation and industries. China used it's human resources to be the manufacturing hub of the world with a third of global industries having their factories there and lifting them out of poverty.

Also, there are soo many nigerians who have lived fruitful lives, I will use my own parents as example. I look at my parents and I see very comfortable people above their 50s who are living very comfortably. With a business earning them some millions and some landed properties. They live in an estate with constant light, they eat whatever they want and I'm sure they would tell you they have lived a blissful fulfilled life together. These were government civil servants who rose steadily through the ranks and pulled their resources together.

I think that a lot of nigerians are like my parents who have also lived relatively good and comfortable lives. The country is failing but it is not a failed state yet and can be turned around.


Stop inserting the discuss of japa when we talk about the state of the nation.
Japa could very well be a splendid advice but ultimately meaningless to the vast majority of nigerians who can't and those who won't japa.

Makamatic:
U believe that charging , viewing centre ati bebelo story . The man na Jack of all trades , master of none . Entrepreneurship is very hard g

I initially typed In many details, how he was managing the businesses. Our relatives he brings from village to train while also overseeing some, but decided to cut it in order to make my points more concise. Yeah, it's an oversimplification of events that took place over a decade. It's left to you to believe it or not.

My own parents too built their own assets over time but in a more simpler way. Lands that appreciated and investment.

Realmrsean:

But it's true. You guys would see him multiple times, take shots at me and no one says anything.
When fight reach, I start hearing how I love to make trouble, how I'm irascible and hot headed.
But no one takes note of the unfounded provocations from him.

Last week, he was telling Ibime that he warned him of me. Taking shots at me, I didn't respond. I wanted to, but I held myself. Today the same thing. Tomorrow it will happen again and you will all be mute.

A simplest example to drive home my point.

China is currently the second richest country on the globe.

This certainly didn't look like this would be the case 40 years ago. chairman Mao had to die for a new leadership to make a 180 reversal on many policies of Mao. I can imagine that many Chinese as of then were also fleeing in very large numbers to America and Europe because they didn't have any reason to think they would ever succeed with such level of poverty. YET they made it.

Look at Singapore. They have no business being as rich as they are today. A single man with tremendous foresight set the country on the path to prosperity. Singapore doesn't have a single natural resource yet they're wealthy today.

For many of us here in Nigeria, there's a part of us that strongly believe that Nigeria can get it right, we just have to have the right system and leaders.

Unlimited22:
TLDR please, someone....

Haha. Sorry I really went on a tangent there, while typing rapidly.

All I'm saying is simply this.

It's impossible for every single Nigerian to emigrate.

Emigration is an unfortunate cowardly human disaster which shouldn't naturally occur. When people emigrate, it means that they are running away from something. Emigration isn't a natural instinct. No one wishes to naturally leave all that he knows and has behind.


Lastly and most importantly,
PEOPLE SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT JAPA WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING OUR NATION'S PROBLEM.

Japa is not a solution for Nigeria as a country. It's a solution for an individual. A conversation to be had when talking about individual endeavours but talking about japa when we're discussing Nigeria's leadership problem is a futile and disgraceful effort.

I hope I summed it up nicely. I would like your feedback doc.

All Nigerians can never japa. Only a fraction of the population can japa and let us not forget something. Emigration is usually an unfortunate event. When people migrate, it means they're running away from where they were. Emigration is a painful process. Its something that many people who naturally not like to do.

I mean this thread right here is the closest many abroadians get to feel closer to home. Their native identities nearly lost. Their friends and family so distant. Their childhood environment, social circle, native cusine, all gone and expensive. Born into a strange mans land where they have to start relearning a lot of things, just for the sake of a better life.

And they're many who ask themselves, is it really worth if i have something "good" abandoning it and running away for the sake of a better economic life? Is life all about just money chasing? Is a life away from my closest family for the sake of more money REALLY worth it?
These are pertinent questions.

Infact, I make bold to say emigration is cowardice. Yes it may be pragmatic cowardice, but cowardice all the same. Look at it this way, you're in a fight with a Bully and you run away, there is a chance that you triumph but nonetheless you don't want to receive any more Harm and you run away, it's a pragmatic and maybe smart choice for preservation, but what then do you say to the person who stood firm and fought for the bully and emerged triumphant.

Many Nigerians can decide not be cowardly to run away from their homeland to a strange land, where they experience soo many unknowns like men kissing men which is against every fibre of their being and personal principle. Or dishes which is completely foreign to their digestive system and induces a fight back from their bodies.

Also there's also a constant tendency to conflate individualism vs the collective (country) and muddle the 2.

Today i was talking about individualism, not the collective (country as a whole).

One fact is certain and constant, no matter the place, system and country on earth, where there is a society, there will always be some rich people and there will always many people, however it is up to the people to shape a more egalitarian society and create an environment where many more people thrive and its citizens live a more fruitful life.

There is a constant failure here to distinguish between conversations about the collective (Nigeria our country) and the individual efforts in society.

More simplistically, when we talk about the challenges of our governance, our society as a whole and its challenges, people here quickly whittle down to the individual as a unit. When we talk of corruption in government, someone starts talking about corruption in school environment from the class rep. No. We're talking about how it is the responsibility of a country's leaders to shape that society and have a conversation about the type of leaders we really want. Ask questions like, "is it right to support a very corrupt leader with a nefarious criminal drug activity, whose history is really shaded and actually appears frail because "he looks and speaks like us" and was highly effective in politicking even though crookedly? Genuine questions like these.

Lets take china and India as an example, 40 years ago, these countries were death poor, extreme levels of famine, hunger and poverty known to man. Many also felt that their country was a falied experiment by mao and the British respectively. India has never existed in the geopolitical shape it is today. Likewise china, they were both united and shaped by various factors quite recently with a lot of cut and join similar to us. And I'm sure many citizens during the mao era would have felt that things will never change for this poor country of over a billion people. Individual citizens of these countries have been fleeing their countries for a long time for a better time abroad, hence you have Chinatown in NewYork and California and massive indian population in Britain and the likes.

Now look what has happened to those two countries, when their leadership decided to get it right. they completely opened up their countries to the world with careful leadership strategies geared towards economic growth for decades and they've transformed to the most powerful economies in the world. Their neighbours are now the ones rushing into these countries in search of opportunities.

Many of us here believe that Nigeria has the potential to get it right.
Our population and our natural resources are a fortune waiting to be utilised.

THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT.

When we talk of Nigeria as a country, we're not talking of ourselves as individuals in that particular moment I want to think that many of us here are doing okay. I am personally doing fantastically okay. I'm earning a "good" salary and i have a very strong support social structure around me. But i know how things are getting very bad in the country. I know what my money used to buy and how it has now turned to luxury. From overnight use of generator just early this year to rationing till 1am. From semo to akpu and garri, from liquid milk to powder milk. And so on. Yet we are all still doing comparatively well here. And yes its okay if anyone decides to migrate.

I repeat, But when we discuss our country, we're not talking of INDIVIDUAL GOALS, we're talking of how the country as a whole can get better.

That post had nothing to do with Japa or emigration.

It's was specifically about how that money is okay to have a business and also live a relatively comfortable life in Nigeria.

And it's not about "having 20m", it's about having various streams of income that ensures you are okay. And most importantly have financial independence.

Neymar1095:
Tomorrow you will tell us you don't attack Donjazet unprovoked and fools here will be licking the idiot ass while tagging Don j with having a victim mentality. Turned a Lovely write up into: Everyone look at me, I made £13,200 in one month.

No be today thing. Thank God you see am. Whenever I talk, dem say I'm "overreacting" and I should "learn to ignore". Meanwhile no one cautions him.

When the fight start, them begin blame me, say i dey always like trouble and fight, call me liar with victim mentality while hyping him. The fight suspends, he restarts it later again and the cycle continues. There's just no winning here.

BlueRayDick:
Mention one of those "several businesses" u will invest N20m and "recoup good sums from in the future". I want to check something.

My uncle, my mother their last born, who resides in mushin is basically who I call king of small businesses. Earning from multiple small streams that basically became an ocean of millions per year.
He really mastered the art of making money from small businesses that built his wealth from the ground up and has been a man I truly admire in terms of personal discipline and hustling spirit.
His business sense was unparalleled.

He started as a small scale electronics dealer, then made it a bit "big" in Lagos dealing in electronics, radios, TV's, DVD's, fans etc.

Now this is where his foresight then paid of big, when building his first house (which he now rents out), he constructed 2 small shops in front of his house. One was used to for petty trading, normal satchet milk, detergent, mineral and the rest. The other was used for charging phones and batteries.

He was also using his borehole for selling and supplying water to the neighbours and these "meiruwas" that push jerrycans of water in trucks and sell to people at their homes. So his generator at home was used to power the borehole, fridge in his house, another in his shop and then charge phones. His wife was handling all these ones at home.

Few years later, lucky for him here, there was an undeveloped land close to him, undeveloped as in; where the owner bought and abandoned. He negotiated a tiny rent amount with the owner and set up a small batcher and put football viewing centre there (later adding a bet shop) also selling cold drinks, beer, biscuit etc and, next to it, a big grinding mill machine for those who wanted to grind bags of corn, okpa (Bambara nut), beans and the rest. (This last one was basically his brightest idea that fetched him lots) because he was the only person in that vicinity with this big machine.

When my family visited him, we were awestruck with the range of his businesses and activities around him.

All these became much bigger than what he was initially doing. He basically abandoned his electronics sales, leaving it in the hands of his boy. His businesses had all evolved bigly over the last 13 years. They basically own a small supermarket now. They have 3 large grinding machines.
He even grew bigger than the area he was in but he was very reluctant to leave that place because of all he had there. He married a Yoruba woman and trained their 5 children, all with these.

Seeing you guys ask what 20 million would do for someone sent my mind straight to him.

Every single small businesses he has was started with just a tiny fraction of that amount. Let me not even talk how he basically opened a palm oil processing mill for their siblings widow, my aunt in the village and solarized the borehole at our village house that is practically minting small cash for said widow.

Foresight, Discipline and patience are the key factors for wealth building.

We literally saw him go from nothing to MULTIPLE STREAMS of wealth.

Phone charging.
Water selling and distribution.
Grain grinding
Football viewing centre and bet centre.
Mini supermarket.
All small scale businesses in their own rights but which fed off each other and became very big sources of wealth for the owner.

BlueRayDick:


Abeg make una organize an award before the year runs out and let those two up there battle with Don J and that female moniker for the troll of the year award in this chatroom thread

I don't understand why I'm listed here? Why do you deem my positions as "trolling"? Because they're liberal or what?

"prosperity is close" while dollar slides to ₦1200

OasisX:


....dem go return soon. Prosperity is close.

"Prosperity is close", he says, while staying far away from the supposed prosperity.

How you don't see your mockery and wickedness is outstanding.

raumdeuter:
Jagaban on your mandate we shall stand


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CcbfMUG82I

I see this and I ask myself this question; where is you people's conscience?

Is this supposed to be a mockery to us? Nigerians are dealing with runaway inflation, our purchasing power is vanishing day by day. A lot of things were more easily accessible to us previously have become largely unaffordable to the middle class and all you can do is still see and play is still this useless politics??

Please you guys should grow a conscience. Stop mocking the Nigerians feeling the effects of the rubbish which you are supporting.

Funny enough we've missed chances that should be goals.

Did pochetino underestimate the value this particular match has to the fans?

Man set us up soo badly. You can't be experimenting your lineup at Man u away.