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TenQ:
I have attached the screenshot of the full hadith from Sunnah.com so that you can know that Christians did not insert any bracket into your hadith.

Is it not Allah who created Christianity by deceiving them to see Jesus on the Cross?

If Christians are on the wrong path, why did Allah say Jews, Christian and Sabians will go to paradise?




Did not Mohammed say that at the end times, you Muslims would be divided into 73 sects and only one would be on the right path?
Jesus was supposed to kill the pigs (Jews) : why?

The Isa of Islam seem to be far different from the Jesus of the bible




All Jews and Christians have NEVER said God dictated or wrote their Scriptures. Genesis to Revelation was written by Human Beings representing God.

The Qur'an on the other hand claim to be DICTATED verbatim words of Allah: therefore we can easily test.
Allah says if the Qur'an was not from him, it would have contained contradictions.

And it is easy to show that the Qur'an is full of contradictions to History, to Science, to Mathematics, to Logic etc.

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?
2. If the Qur'an is from God how does a man have his reproductive fluid from his backbone while the woman has her own reproductive fluids from her ribs?
3. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he report the fable/tale of the seven sleepers as actual events?
4. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow Prostitution for Muslims?
5. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow divorce of children (in child marriage)?
6. If the Qur'an is from God, why did it contain bed time stories told to Jewish children about Solomon who died for nearly a year standing and no body noticing ?
7. Qur'an says Jesus was not crucified and till today, no Muslim can tell us what happened: they are full of conjectures

If you want to challenge them, I will prove each to you using your Qur'an. Pick them one by one.

Finally,
Even your prophet attests to the Torah (written by Humans)

There are so many misconceptions in your submissions. Where do i start from? First of all, a just ruler is different from a king. Jesus will rule on one form or the other, but not as a king. Because Allah has not established kingship in Islam under the era of Muhammad. And Mahdi will probably be his Imam because he will pray behind the imam.
Secondly Allah mentions Christians, Jews, Saebians who believe in only Allah and the day of judgement. Those are the ones who will eventually enter paradise just like every other muslim. But if they don’t believe in Islam and Quran, it is very likely they will spend time in hell fire before eventually entering paradise. The reason is because these are the questions angels will ask them in their graves after death. If they fail any of the questions they will be judged on them by Allah. Just like some muslims who do shirk with Islam. Some christians still believe in only one God eg. Jehovah’s Witnesses. But any Christian that believes jesus is God or shares some power with Allah will not enter paradise. This is because Allah says He will never forgive the sin of associating partners with Him. They will spend time in hell fire. And if they have any iota of belief in God, they may be taken out to paradise after a time known only to Allah.
Allah did not deceive people to become Christians, just like Allah did not deceive some jews who worship Moses. The people have followed their own desires. Jesus was possibly nailed but not killed on cross. And that does not mean people should worship him or follow him in a religion. Jesus never instructed them to worship him, neither did he create any religion. Because he was not instructed to do so by Allah. And all your so-called contradictions you listed, at best are confusing to you, but never a contradiction, if you know what contradiction means linguistically. The confusions require another discussion to thrash them out another time.

TenQ:
I wouldn't say you've answered all my questions but I want to honestly appreciate you for this discussion.
You have been forthwith and truthful about the claims of Islam. To this I want to say thank you.

I will only want to make just ONE little correction on your claims about Jesus that:

"First of all, yes, no soul created by Allah knows what will happen for sure to him/her on the day of judgement. That includes all prophets of Allah including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad etc."

This is UNTRUE!
1. Is it TRUE that Jesus according to Islam is ALREADY with Allah (in Paradise)
2. Is it possible that Kalimatullah or Ruhullah is NOT sure of what will happen on the day of Judgement?
3. There is NOT one evidence from either the Qur'an or Hadiths that Jesus does NOT know what will befall him on the day of Judgement
4. Jesus is said to be the judge of mankind in your hadith, is it possible that the judge Himself is unsure of his stand with God?

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.657
Narrated by Abu Huraira
Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "By Him (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus (a.s.)) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler)


From the Bible, Jesus is the Judge who will decide who goes to heaven or hell

Mat 13:41:
"The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"

Mat 16:27:
"For the Son of man (Jesus) shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

[b]Rev 21:27:
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's (Jesus's) book of life."
[/b]



Dr Lateef,
You are a sincere person but you know that it is possible to be sincerely mislead.
Why do you think God sent the Messiah with all his supernatural qualities?
Is it just to preach the Oneness of God? Don't you think that even satan know that there is only one God? Why is the Messiah a co-creator of life according to Islam?

The Messiah came as the infinite payment for our crime of Sin against God which would have been impossible for any Human to pay.

Can you choose to TRUST in God's SOLUTION for your crime of Sin and thus be bestowed Paradise as a Gift?

Why do you think God instructed Moses to make sacrifices for the sin of the children of Israel?
Because
Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (of sin)."

Jesus said:
Mat 26:28:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
The purpose is that
Luk 24:47:
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Rom 3:25:
"(Jesus) Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"


Dr Lateef,
I sincerely invite you to the Messiah for the Remission of Your Sins and a Guarantee of a place with God in Paradise


The truth will set you Free once you know it sir.


I welcome ANY Questions from you!

Thank you for your observations. As regards the hadith you quoted, I believe the words in bracket must have been inserted by Christians. That is not part of the hadith. At no time did the prophet mention that Jesus will come back as a king or ruler. The coming of Jesus Christ is not to preach, but to set records straight about who he is among Christians. He will kill the Dajjal or antichrist and will destroy all vestiges of Christianity that remains. He will deny all the pastors and christian leaders. He will not be the leader by then because he will pray behind Imam Mahdi at Masjid al Aqsa In Jerusalem. That imam would be his leader by then.
The common of Jesus is one of the major signs of the end of the world. By that time the world be almost ending. And everyone will be muslim by the time jesus comes. Because the Christians will realise they have been deceived for thousands of years, and that jesus himself is a muslim. And one of the reasons for his coming back is that he will die natural death. Allah says in Quran that every soul must taste death. That includes Jesus.

Therefore, my brother your invitation to me is asking me to join the wrong path. Because when Jesus comes all of you will have no option than to become muslims. All human beings would be muslims by then. But their being muslims is of no use by then because the door of repentance would have been closed by Allah. By the time Jesus comes, there would be no faith anymore because the certainty of Allah being the creator and Islam being His only religion would be too overwhelming for anyone to deny. Therefore, belief will not be based on faith but on certainty by then. It is like those in the throes of death. When they see the angel of death, the certainty dons on them, and belief is useless at that time. I urge you to consider these facts. The bible verses you quote up there, there is only one verse of the Quran that demolishes all those fabrications. Allah says in Quran 2 verse 79:

“ So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”

You will be honest with me to agree that the whole bible were written by human beings. They are the ones Allah is talking about in that verse. A logical thing to do is ask for the true origin of the bible and compare that to the Quran. A reasonable assumption to make is that Quran is most likely a revealed book, while the bible was written by humans. Otherwise you won’t find such verse above in a book written by human beings. Simply put, they are cursing themselves if they write that in Quran with their own hands. And if you ask me to choose between following a revealed book and a book written by humans, i will choose the former any day.
Cheers!!!

TenQ:
Thanks for your explanation even though I have questions.

1. How can Mohammed be an intercessor when he himself has no guarantee of paradise according to Allah in the Qur'an
Qur'an 46:9
Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allah) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner."


2. If Allah has destined even Muslim BABIES (who have not directly committed any sin) to Hell fire, what hope does a grown sinning Muslim man has?
Sahih Muslim (6436)
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins


3. One of the cardinal things a Muslim must believe in is DESTINY: If Allah has destined a person (Christian, Muslim or Polytheist) to hell by misleading him, what kind of intercession can save one who Allah himself DECEIVED?
Qur'an 5:41
“And for whoever Allah wills to try with error, you can do nothing for him against Allah”.
Qur'an 11:34
“And my advice will not profit you, even if I wish to give you good counsel, if Allah’s will is to keep you astray.”
Qur'an 7:186
“Whomsoever Allah allows to stray, then there is no guide for him; and He lets them wander blindly in their transgressions.”

Thank you please

Your questions are bordering on Qadar and Qadir , or destiny. First of all, yes, no soul created by Allah knows what will happen for sure to him/her on the day of judgement. That includes all prophets of Allah including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad etc. This is because the mercy of Allah is what admits every soul to paradise, not the righteous deeds etc. The story was told of a man who boasted about entering paradise because of his good works. Allah ask that they should bring his shoes and dust the soles up. A lot of dead ants came down from it and the ants had their sorry tales to tell before the man trampled on them unknowingly and killed them. On that basis he was sent to hell. The main message here is arrogance is abhorrent to Allah. Any soul that comes with tiny amount of arrogance will not enter paradise. Therefore, even on the day of judgement every soul must submit in humility to the majesty of Allah and hope for his mercy. There was also story told by the prophet where a rich man told his family to cremate his body and spread the ashes on sea after his death because he was a wicked money lender. When Allah asked him after his death on why he gave that instruction to his family, he said he was afraid of his meeting with Allah. Based on that, Allah forgave him and sent him to paradise.
On destiny, it is a very lengthy topic and can be confusing to many muslims. Yes, people may be destined for hell, not because Allah chose it for them, but they chose it for themselves before being borne. But every destiny can be changed except permanent ones like the day of birth and death, how they will die and in which land they will die. But other destiny like final abode in hell or paradise, how many wives and children or will they be childless, all of these can be changed with prayers and good work on earth. For example, the night of majesty in Ramadan is a night that Allah changes the destiny of muslims when they pray for it throughout that night.
Finally, yes, Muhammad was given news of his final abode and i hope all prophets and saints will in shaa Allah end up in paradise. Because the prophet made mention of it many times, including his saabas whom he said he saw in paradise. In fact, 10 of his companions were promised paradise while still on earth. But despite that, Allah wants all muslims to be humble and submit to His ultimate mercy instead of feeling arrogant and entitled to be in paradise. Allah also states what can make you attain paradise if you worship Him sincerely. But even if you do all those things, you must still continue to beg Allah to show mercy on you and admit you to paradise.

Ihateheadslamer:
Why does the truth hurts so bad its turns you into a mannerless bufon

Is she not a witch

PrinceOfLagos:
Most Nigerians do not regard Tinubu as the president "(s)elect" because of the questionable way he was announced winner

Tinubu don't deserve Nigerians respect

Who are those most Nigerians? Do you mean the headless mob who drink nkpurum mirin every morning or decent people who voted Tinubu?

TenQ:
Thank you!

How do you as Muslims reconcile this hadith with
1. Where Mohammed will intercede for you Muslims
2. Where Muslims will pass over the bridge of Al-Sirat
3. Where Allah will appear to you Muslims in a shape different from the way you know him until you see his shin


I noticed that the grade of the Hadith is not Sahih: what do you say?

That is a sahih hadith by all measures we apply to investigate it. And it does not in anyway conflict with intercession by the prophet, passing over the bridge and Allah appearing to believers in paradise. These are different events occurring at different stages of the day of judgement. Making account of your stay in this world is one of the first things to happen on the day of judgement. The day of judgement is not just one day. It could be thousands of years by our reckoning. And after making your account, if your good deeds are not as much as bad deeds, thats when intercession will come in. After intercession comes the travelling over the bridge. And those who do not fall into hell fire and find themselves in paradise are the ones given privilege to see the countenance of Allah in paradise. There are other various events that will occur, many of which are recorded in books of hadith.

TenQ:
A. Can you give me a Hadith that support this 500 years?
Are all rich people in this category?
I assume some rich people like Zakir Naik are also religious, pius and devoted to Allah

B. Don't you think 500 years is too long to report what a rich human did in 50-60 years maximum?



I know there is a Hadith
1. Where Mohammed will intercede for you Muslims
2. Where Muslims will pass over the bridge of Al-Sirat
3. Where Allah will appear to you Muslims in a shape different from the way you know him until you see his shin

I've not heard of 500 years headstart for Muslims in paradise

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The poor Muslims will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2354


It is not a matter of being righteous. But it is a matter of accounting for what they were provided with, how they spent it, who they gave money, their intention for giving it etc. The poor have nothing to account for.

PlayerMeji:
Dont mind them...

They dont know how to read the signs

They are busy hyping and celebrating Adeleke and Obi lawyers and their entourage, they were not following the Adeleke verdict and the implication it has for the presidential election petition

That’s why they are headless mob. Can’t you read up there where one of them said they should cancel the BVAS. Because they know the rigging they did which BVAS will expose.

TenQ:
Thanks Bro for your response:
It seems the rich has an undue advantage over the poor in Islam with respect to the favours Allah bestows on him then: why?

We know that in Reality:
The modest Muslim who is rich don't have to commit sins for his survival and existence.
However
The Modest Muslim that is poor may have to do some prostitution, stealing, cheating etc for his survival.

Unfortunately, while the rich can always use his money to override his evil deeds: making it extremely likely that a modest rich Muslim will enter paradise while a modest poor Muslim may not be able to go to paradise!

I am sure it would not be condoned that a pius and religious Muslim live his life by fraud, stealing, cheating while his supplications are excellent.



Even though you said that the prophet Mohammed said that there are more poor people in paradise: this may just be because the ratio of the poor to the rich is like 1 in 300.
Am I misunderstanding you?

But on the day of judgement the poor will be in paradise for over 500 years while the rich are still making accounts of how they spent their money.

TenQ:
I asked a Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?


According to



My question is this:
We all know that Good deeds are easier to do if a person has plenty money and difficult (but not impossible) to do if one is poor.

Does this not give rich people more advantage to enter Paradise than poor people?

What is the position of Islam on this?

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Sadaqat is the main edge a rich person has over poor muslim. But the prophet told them to do more adkhar for their own benefit too. And every soul will account for what they had in this world, a poor person has little to account for. That’s why the prophet stated that paradise was filled with poor people when he was made to see the inhabitants. Whatever state we find ourselves is a test for us. If you are rich, you are tested with your wealth to see if you will earn reward or punishment from Allah. Same with poverty. But Allah loves the poor people more because they are usually more devoted and righteous.

Zikojukwu:
Part of the emotional blackmails from APC members is that INEC spent over 305 billion naira to conduct 2023 election and therefore all petitions however valid, evident and overarching should be dropped. This is the latest blackmail coming from APC camp. They're psyching judges to avoid every substance in the petitions because Nigeria can't afford money for another fresh poll.
This is laughable as they want the court to uphold unconstitutional government of Tinubu who lost in the last but influenced INEC to change electoral scores to favour him.
Another section of the media is saying Nigerians are ready to fund fresh election if that will bring free and fair election and constitutional government, charging the court to go ahead and annul the rigged poll. This appears to be the secret agreement the judges are fighting. There are clear evidence the election was rigged and annulment had been agreed but the source of money for fresh poll is where the judges appear to be stuck. What's the way out?

It is a valid consideration when placed along with other valid considerations. Because people cannot be impoverished to conduct another election when there is no substantial reason to do so.

DesChyko:
And: in legal terms means in conjunction with or in addition to. It implies togetherness.

Or: in legal terms means an alternative to the former. It implies taking your pick.

The End.

The conjunctive does not imply that those voter in FCT have two heads and must be given special treatment. It only means they are to be treated in same way.

Very intelligent judges at Supreme Court. I have always said it that the headless fowls employed by Obi and Atiku to hack the system will be checkmated by the courts. Dino Orubebe Melaye, see your life for outside. Awon hooligans who wants to be governor. I hope Kogi people get sense sha!

OfoIgbo:
Tinubu has no chance.

Remember it's the same lawyer that successfully won the case for Adeleke, that is the lead counsel for Peter Obi.

Obi's people already have the CTC of the results. Cool down

Even in the over 40,000 polling units that Obi had no agents?

G00DHardDick:
Gross stupidity from reno As usual.

Noticed how Tinubu tried to bribe and buy people over with his ill gotten wealth? This and many more is the reason why Nigeria can never move forward. I mean who wouldn't want to serve a man feeding you? It's like you're his slave and subject

What Reno is saying is different from what you are saying. Reno is saying that Tinubu has uplifted too many people in this country and they are all in powerful positions everywhere, to the extent that they are ready to do his bidding without paying a dime. Who has Obi uplifted to a high position in this country? Who has Atiku uplifted in this country? Tinubu needs not bribe anyone. His magnanimity and benevolence is like that of Abiola. He cannot do wrong anymore. That’s why he doesn’t even care to attend any frivolous court hearing. He even travelled out of the country, far away from the courts. His boys and girls everywhere will do the needful without him being there. That’s a lesson in life for Obi and Atiku. The game is over.

OLAADEGBU:
What would you do if his "prophecy" happens to come to pass?

Even with that, it is still a guess work with a morally depraved person like this.

lhordspy:
According to your main point, this:
"First, and the most important takeaway, is that the apex court has established it as a precedent that the BVAS is the primary source of data for the election. What this means is that every vote scored or announced by INEC must tally with the accreditation data as captured by the BVAS."

I have come to the conclusion that it is either you are ignorant of this whole thing or you trying hard to confuse yourself rather than convince your reader.

BVAS is different from IREV. Will i have to continue screaming this everyday?

And what do you mean by "every vote scored or announced must tally with accreditation voters?"

Going by the judgement, Obi has no case. Obi used 2weeks trying to harvest data from Bvas stored in INEC server. And they came back with complains instead of concrete evidence. We know how lousy the LP are, if there was anything tangible as outcome. They would have included 'Over voting' in their petition. They would have made it the center of their wailing.

It is two different thing here. Ademola vs Adeleke case is centred on over-voting, and it is very logical that BVAS should be the main source of focus; because that is the main work of the BvAS. But Obi's petition is centred around result and other small fries that falls under deminimis rule . And it has nothing to do with BVAS.

Thank God I find someone with his brain intact. The headless mob, i have lost hope discussing with them. BVAS is the primary source of accredited voters, but not a primary source of election results. The primary source of election results is form EC8A dully signed by all agents. The BVAS machine is a secondary source of that. That is why INEC relied on manual collation. Because what you feed into BVAS is what you will get any time later. And iREV is not a primary source of election results either. And no law mandates INEC to upload results electronically at certain times. The results could be uploaded a year later. Any lawyers that cannot grasp these basic facts is just a charge and bail lawyer that is cashing out at the tribunal.

Emperormartin:
Hmmm this story looks believable

Of course these are valid truthful stories. He will spend the rest if his life in prison. Let him go and open his business centre at Kirikiri. They must castrate him before jailing him. In fact cut off his dick. Devil.

OLAADEGBU:
Is this not Bishop who prophesied that Obi would be the next President?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I should not be laughing on this gory criminal rape cases, but your statement on his Obi prophecy made me burst my tommy with laughter.

Feintline:
OBIDATTI is coming.
Anyone or person waiting or hoping for a withdrawal should delete such thoughts. You will wait to collaspe.

OBIDATTI mandate is bigger than obi and datti.
It is bigger than the labour party.
It is a mandate of millions of Nigerians who have endured sufferings, nepotism, hardships, tribalism, deaths and poverty in the midst of plenty.
It is a mandate for a new Nigeria.

Obi knows too, that if he withdraws from this petition, you headless mob might finish him.

TenQ:
A Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?






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There’s no doubt about that. The prophet SAW admonished muslims to always do good deeds so as to erase their sins.

onuman:
It's rather a fatal blow to Tinubu who emerged via a computer glitch.
No modern judges will set aside the ultramodern use of BVAS and iReV but resort to accept the outmoded form of vote collation used by Mahmood Yakubu. INEC regulations for the election
were clear on use of BVAS and iRev portal.
No modern country would accept a president from a computer glitch.

Go and read the judgement. The Supreme Court wanted voter register, not BVAS report to prove over-voting. Obi and Atiku has a lot to do. This ruling is an alarm bell. Go and read the ruling from Supreme Court today.

muykem:
Sacrifice for president election petition and bad precedent for opposition party.

Obi and Atiku are clutching their teeth to iREV. This is a fatal blow to their appeal. They have to provide evidence from all BVAS used in the election, almost a million of them. Not a easy task.

akingangan:
Peter Obi did not sue Atiku but he wants to be declared the winner above Atiku who came second.

Peter Obi's case should therefore be thrown out due to bias

He should have sued Atiku also to show he is serious

Lawyers should look into this.

He is dishonest for disregarding the fact that he came third. Don’t worry, the judges will serve him a breakfast in few days.😂😂😂

Noise makers. They are just jostling to get noticed and end up with crumbs left over by APC. Throw 20 naira notes in their midst and they will all scamper for it.

IfnobeGod20:
He's busy preparing his "handing over" or he is busy preparing his 'taking over' from Buhari. Check the sentence and make correction. It's not by force to use words not conversant with.

“From” qualifies everything

ItisWell22:
OOO actually wear white garments too.

Unless there’s another sect of OO Obu

Olumba Olumba Obu wears black most times.

SHINJACRUSADER:
So you mohammadian head slamming terrorist thinks your tinubu is not a Satanist?

Do you know God?

Lol!!!! Obi is a magician. Is that too hard to swallow?

Fake iREV results is what you want the whole nation to read? Do you think we are headless like you?

Tinubu said it openly that Peter Obi belongs to Obu Obu, a church cult in Cross River State. That is why he wears black all the time. The church members wear black. Peter Obi has joined everything evil to rise to leadership positions. But God wants Tinubu to lead Nigeria. Obi will never win.

Headless mob have started doctoring innocent newspaper headlines to suit their delusions.