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Babyosisi,

I have no respect for the ideology pushed by whites, that Africa is too diverse to ever form one large federation of states.

I do not believe in the idea that because we where blue shirts in Kenya, when whites enslaved and colonized Kenya, clearly it was different than what they did to the yellow shirt wearing people of Nigeria, when they enslaved and colonized there.

The different cultures and the made up countries of Africa, are just part of the divide and rule nature that whites put in place to stop Africa's rise.

I don't know a phucking person who lives in New York City, so stupid questions about who put them there (who gave them tickets)and why are they called Americans, is moronic at best.

Their still Americans even though their not Minnesotans.

Kenyans are still Africans even if their not Nigerians.

Mamaput,

Please learn some African history and stop reporting to me American or Indian or Carribean history.

History of Rum:

Colonial America


After rum's development in the Caribbean, the drink's popularity spread to Colonial America. To support the demand for the drink, the first rum distillery in the colonies was set up in 1664 on current day Staten Island. Boston, Massachusetts had a distillery three years later.[7] The manufacture of rum became early Colonial New England's largest and most prosperous industry. The rum produced there was quite popular, and was even considered the best in the world during much of the 18th century. Rhode Island rum even joined gold as an accepted currency in Europe for a period of time.[8] Estimates of rum consumption in the American colonies before the American Revolutionary War had every man, woman, or child drinking an average of 3 Imperial gallons (13.5 liters) of rum each year.[9]

To support this demand for the molasses to produce rum, along with the increasing demand for sugar in Europe during the 17th and 18th centuries, a labor source to work the sugar plantations in the Caribbean was needed. A triangular trade was established between Africa, the Caribbean, and the colonies to help support this need.[10] The circular exchange of slaves, molasses, and rum was quite profitable, and the disruption to the trade caused by the Sugar Act in 1764 may have even helped cause the American Revolution.[9]

The popularity of rum continued after the American Revolution with George Washington insisting on a barrel of Barbados rum at his 1789 inauguration.[11] Eventually the restrictions on rum from the British islands of the Caribbean combined with the development of American whiskey led to a decline in the drink's popularity.

As you can see, slaves were traded so that the English could get the RUM THEY WANTED, not for RUM considered as precious as gold to WHITES.

"human history is nothing more than an enveloping of success-failure processes of decision-choice activities in all dimensions of human endeavor."

Quite simply:

History is decided by people. Enveloped or fixed the way they like it, in regards to all of the decisions they have made in all people systems.

I have to say this is dead wrong. Firstly, how do you know or why do you think that the majority of people here aren't of the "peasant class"? What makes you think so? I think that most Americans would consider a majority of African immigrants among the peasant class (if they knew their biz like that). Have you ever read the interviews Freddy Adu (go Ghana!) does w/ his mother? They talked about how they won the (visa) lottery and when they came life was easier. . .but not. I think Africans maybe quieter or just used to talking to "themselves" about these things so you don't here it. Or maybe you only hob knob w/ the paid cats but no, that's not most.

I just read a report about the fact that this is changing, i.e. it used to be mostly the richer class who came to America but now more normal or peasant people are coming and so things are changing. You may be right about that.

Secondly, Americans have a voyeuristic view of Africa. Many anyway. So they want to talk about what they saw on CNN but not get to know the person they are speaking to. People resent that and don't always want to talk about "breaking news" or however CNN defines it.

I am always shocked if I see Africa anywhere in the news, I know it serves some American political purpose and there is really no interest at all in showing Africa other than as a basket case or fun zoo to visit. I agree.

I don't know anything about your 'Shell friend'. The story sounds out of the world to me.

I also have African friends who have offered to let me travel to Africa on with them on American airforce planes. I have been criticized for knowing a certain class of Africans who are treated as royalty in America because they are part of the class that America brings here to train to go back and take over a country.

This is strange to us as Americans first of all because as you know, in America the class system is considered dead.
There's no de jure class system like in Europe but it definitely exists. Ask the Rockefellers.

You can start in the worst class and end in the best class, regardless of education.
That's the myth of the American Dream no? I totally subscribe to Death of a Salesman on this. I think the 'American Dream' is a trite, sales pitch to erode away any of the bitterness wrought by the (invisible) class system.

The idea of the class system being dead, is that you can collect enough dollars to be thought of like the Rockefellers. You can go from country girl to Oprah Winfrey richest woman in the world. Or from housewife to Martha Stewart. Or from trailer to the whitehouse like Bill Clinton. Or be a college drop out to richest man in the world- Bill Gates. From the projects to what is considered musical royalty--Jackson Family. From welfare reciepient to judge on TV, or Rap Star.

That is why the class system is dead not because people are never treated differently. It is just that there is an awareness that you may be talking to the next big person.

If it is a myth, somebody needs to inform JayZ that the 360 million he is now worth, isn't really the money of a boy who grew up on welfare cheese.

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What does this have to do with Africans?  "Too well" is a relative term anyway. It's totally arbitrary. If you want to distance yourself from someone b/c of speech "ok" but there's no need to rationalize.[/quote]Well, CA's have been known for responding to AA arguements by correcting their grammar as if that makes what the AA say wrong, simply because we do not speak in normal English. This is why it seems relative.

Honestly I don't have much respect of American religiosity. No one speaks, only yells so they echo can be loud and hollow in the megaplex.

I wasn't talking about that part of religiosity which I hate. I was talking about the fact that you can get a soup and a sandwich somewhere, can sleep on a church floor on a mattress if your homeless, can get a voucher for gas if you need it, work clothes and that part of christianity that you can find in any town in America, even the racist ones. I had a racist church pay for my hotel room and feed me and give me food but when asked about services was told to go to the black church. Their racism did not stop them from helping me but they did not want me in their midst.

But your comment about Africans. . .let's assume that these things do happen (worse case scenario), do you think it happens b/c people want it to happen? B/c 'we' rejoice in it? What do you think of Ken Saro-Wiwa who ended up in a ditch for fighting back. You sound as though you don't know or here of the Samaritans but they exist.

You got me here, I have his book and story but have not read it yet. It has sat there for literally years. I understand there are some African samarians but I understand that they die to quickly to really get to know them. I once watched a film of an African writer, clearly insane from the pain he experienced as one who had been beaten and couldn't make anyone listen to him or understand him and the pain of the people who he fought for and lost. It was one of the saddest commentary's to me of what the African samaritan faces.

Honestly, I've never heard Naijas say this. I know people who are a bit full of themselves and I laugh & sometimes make them laugh too. Maybe it's the company you keep (not trying to be snippy). But again, perspective is everything. As you must know, it's easier to "front" w/ outsiders whereas "insiders" would already know how to berate your ass if you went there.

I've had at least one specific person say to me -- oh that is the uneducated who call each other brother in Africa. And really considered that enough said --as if being uneducated makes you different.

Not one is more innocent than the other or has suffered more than the other. That's the truth, so let's not place all blame on one group, we are all responsible and we need to stop treating each other as if we are our own worst enemy.

Maybe that is the truth but from my point of view, I did not see it that way. AA were bashing CA's more from my point of view. And several members of my family have married Nigerians FOR the money. So that never felt like an "swindle of the AA" to me.

I don't know what you are talking about.

All I mean is that you seem to believe that you are on a Nigerian board, talking to people with a different culture from a different land. That's what others would call the plain reality but what is even more real for me, is that these people have suffered the same exact fate and problems that we have faced. In fact I would say that AA have experienced most everything the Nigerian has and then add in the horror show of living as a minority among whites. To me it means, they are me, just without all the extra experiences.

That is why although I know I wil be rejected by some, I have hope that some day they will wake up, so I keep doing what I do.

I see that you care deeply and you want to be involved with people deeply as your friends. I think your goals are commendable.

The thing is, no one black group of people is better than the other black group, and we are wasting our time pointing fingers, we are acting like children going back and fourth saying who is better and who is not when we all are doing so bad that even If AA's did want to go back to Africa, we would not be doing any better there than we are doing here so what is the use in promoting black unification? Especially when you have Africans who are fleeing Africa as well.

No one black group is better than any other black group on this I agree. However in my mind it is obvious that because of the extra experience that AA have had, we are more qualified to deal with the reality's of shall we say "the West or the White world".

Black unification does not include AA ALL returning to Africa. Maybe the old folks and small children can go back. I heard it is great for rich old black retirees, who can take some of their grandchildren if they like.

Our job is here, this is why God sent us any sooner return before the completion of our task would not be successful. This is why God removed Marcus Garvey.

Black Unification is needful because we need to know who our brother is before we can do as Jesus mentioned: The greatest love is to die for your brother.  

Mamaput,

There you go again, showing you know nothing about African history.

Please explain why the first act of African slavery was the Portugese selling the Ashanti 12,000 slaves?

Why does the top white expert on African slavery, say that the slave was considered of higher class than the normal villager? He also says that out of the 5 forms of slavery only 2 would be defined as close to any type of slavery had in America and both of these were coveted slave positions i.e. people wanted those jobs as being the Chiefs bakery slave or whatever?

Also when one talks of what Africans sold slaves for, you should mention Gin and Guns. The mirror and pearls things belongs to American Indian history, not African history. Africans had jewels in abundance, gold, diamond, silver, etc and were smelting it in a one stop process. They were not buying trinkets from whites, whites were buying jewelry from them.

Also it was well known that they were selling the darkest Africans out of Africa.

This is whom I come from. The darkest Africans in Africa.

Nobody's blood is purer black than mine. By the way, I am not white. I am Black. My mother is white. Don't get it confused.

delf747,

You make too many assumptions.

I am a mother of 5 children. I take the point of view of the mothers of Africa, who haven't seen their kids in a while, don't get to care for or raise their grandkids. And the villages that invest in these educations and trips in the hopes that the person will return and bring new and better knowledge with them.

I try not to barrage Africans with my feelings on this matter because I know the suffering they face if they had not left.

Thus I deal with the reality that if they are here then they need to step up to the plate and play the game. Many do and they do an excellent job. Nothing better in this world than one of these smart Nigerians when they become an Afrocentric.

Right now Dompere an Nigerian scholar,  is bringing to the table the most comprehensive over all view of how Afrocentrism should continue to be built between Africa and the Diaspora.

Many other CA scholars are adding immeasurable scholarly and sophisticated views to Afrocentrism.

Which of course Afrocentrism while credited to the AA, is really descended from 2 CA. 1 from the 1940's and Diop of course. Historically CA's actually started Afrocentrism. AA just have a louder voice and so put it into motion around the world. So people mistakenly think Afrocentrism is from the African Americans.

An investment in sharing knowledge of Afrocentrism with the new school of Continental Africans is a very wise investment for AA because the CA's are educated at a level higher than AA's, generally.

I love to read reviews and rebukes of white scholars by CA's. Far more scholarly and devastating than the sometimes emotional responses of AA.

When CA's get it. They really get it and they have the ability to talk in better english than whites, so whites can not deny their works, except to get hillbilly* on the African.

*hillbilly is the same as getting ghetto*

Don't assume to know what I think.

Buddha:

You deserve Nirvana (heaven), when you purposely give up Nirvana (heaven) and go back to hell and bring others to Nirvana.


Some may hate the missionary shit of Christians or Arabs or other religions like Sista's but for me.

Reach One, Teach One.

We are One.

Mamaput,

Come now, chile. I stopped taking you seriously the day you volunteered that the only Africa that existed before the whiteman was the hut weave skirt wearing one.

You have made it abundantly clear, you know nothing about Africa and never will. No matter how many times you go and visit where your dad came from.

As you told me, you were raised in a home where your white mother had a fit and hated that they taught you anything about your black self.

Your lowself esteem about Africa is a direct result of the teaching of your parents.

I don't really expect anything better from you. You have nothing but put downs for Nigeria and Nigerians except when it serves your purpose you believe when talking to African Americans.

Do yourself a favor, don't waste my time. I am not Sista.

Sista,

I apologize for speaking of you in the third person, when you are right here. It is my way of speaking harshly about someone I really like.

I take a different approach because of this one factor: I know that anybody who is trying to prop up Nigeria as something greater than what African Americans have is full of shit. Period.

Culturally, technology, intellectually, economically or whatever level you want to compare, African Americans come out on top.

Continental Africans come to America, with great hope and love and then are treated like slobs by AA and it hurts them but being that they are just Nigga's who speak a different language, they began to do as any Nigga in the Ghetto would: they begin to front. To play it off. To represent.

Same as all rappers pretend that riding through dilapitated 'hoods' in nice cars is the shiznit but we all know as 50 cents says: "I'd run away from this bitch, if I could." or as Buju Banton said: " What about those who can not afford to run away?"

In otherwords, their full of shit. They know it. I know it. So unless their fronting particularily distasteful, I do not bother.

I do not know how to make it more clear to you that Nigerians are just Nigga's.

Same as any old Nigga you would meet in the Ghetto. You know Nigga's in the Ghetto like to go on and on about how great they are for going to college. Knowing damn well, they happiest when they around Nigga's who did not go to college. Knowing damn well, that life is still a struggle after college. Knowing grants and degrees doesn't stop a mother fucker from being lonely and bored to tears.

In fact recent studies have shown immigrants particularily African and Hispanic immigrants get sicker and have more mental illness than African Americans.

It is my firm belief that I must have patience with them all because unless they get my attitude, they will die and not thrive.

Despite the bullshit they talk.

To me it seems as if you believe their bullshit talk. That shows that you really do think of them as US and THEM.

Their just Nigga's. Really they are. I can't think of anyway to be more clear about this one fact that will go a long ways towards your understanding that you are in fact talking to a bunch of Black People. Who are in fact in the throws of major mental changes because they are just finding out that whites were bullshitting when they talked about all that equality shit.

That is a painful phaze for anybody who has went to college and really believed in equality and integration and individualism.

I remember my own pain to understand their pain and I work with it.

You should do this. Remember your pain and realize that theirs has just begun for some here it was long ago like 925 and many others.

Others here are not even that far along more at a kindergarden stage of white worship and that is whom you will most likely argue with. I usually take a hammer to that type, it is the only thing they can understand and it usually makes them run away. You give them to much respect by even arguing with them at their level. I realize this is probably a sign of your care and maybe even your profession (teacher?) but it can draw you into to some bullshit conversations, where your debating lies.

Some used to get mad at me because I refused to get into negativity about AA. I just report good things when they say negative things. I always link the good things and it shuts their mouth usually.

I love these Black people just like I love Black American People.

Really try to understand this and then you will have an easy time here. Your talking to your own people.

That is who I am talking to anyways. My own Black People.

And you know how hard headed we is.

925,

I do agree with you. Sista's approach is an approach, I would not take nor recommend. I agree also it shows more of an us against them attitude than even Sista may be aware of. I also agree that personal attacks leads conversations down the wrong road and many of those Sista gets involved with lead that way.

Her reply to my criticism's is that she knew what she was doing and so I stepped back and did not get involved except where I see an issue that I want to emphasize.

However, in her defense, it seemed beyond crystal clear that she was being satirical when talking about hating whites. Maxwell has been more than dishonest for acting as if he could not see that. And apparently it confused you too.

Besides which I think white people have nuclear weapons, they do not need anybody to defend them. So I do not spend anytime trying to stop somebody from hating whites.

It is is disconcerting to see so many feel the need to speak up in defense of whites but to never hear a word or a peep in defense of all the starving blacks and what is happening horribly to blacks in this world.

So I personally am against the responses that go out of their way to attack Sista even if she really did hate all whites and was not being funny.

Chinani,

I conceed your point. You can meet many selfish African Americans as well.

However, you must understand that we meet more people who seem to think that they go shyte differently than others go shyte because they have an edu-mud-cation.

It is a well known unspoken rule among AA that you do not mention the immizerated peasants in Nigeria because the business class will shun you. My friend thrills me with many stories of secretly having to go to the villages and help them improve because he could not do his oil business with Nigerians if they knew that he was really an American Communist (rich man who comes from Shell oil family) who wanted all the African people especially the peasants to get on their feet.

This is strange to us as Americans first of all because as you know, in America the class system is considered dead. You can start in the worst class and end in the best class, regardless of education. People who speak too well are even teased among whites as being pompous and hoity toity and using 50 dollar words when a 50 cent word would have done.

This is also strange to us as African Americans because we have picked up the pieces of complete strangers- blacks beaten, hung, on trial or some other terrible thing. So we look out for each other.

Also as Christians as most Americans are, the idea of doing as any Continental African knows is done, stepping over dead bodies, stepping over lepers, officials beating people for no reason, etc is strange to us.  In our mind we must all be the good samaritan that Jesus talked about this is why white and black americans stop for each other and help each other. Even if racist, we still help each other. Because that is our christian duty.

So there seems to be some difference in attitude and I do not mean to walk over African American selfishness it's there but it works out differently, sounds differently and seems different.

I am aware though that it could be my cultural misunderstanding of what people mean when they refer to their fellow Nigerians as uneducated or lower classs or not worthy of help.

Forgive me if it is just my misunderstanding. Please explain.

Maxwell,

I am wondering where my apology is? You accused me of lying about there being such a thread and acccused me of taking it out of context.

You were wrong on both counts. The thread exists and I mentioned when asking somebody to find it for me that it was about a man being cheated by a woman.

So I mentioned context and the thread exists.

Please do apologize, you mentioned the Lord. I do hope you are not going to be to prideful to apologize. Satan is the king of the children of pride.

Smile

Sista,

Alright, I begin my search for the post.

Seun moves stuff around so much.

Maybe somebody can help me find the one where the man was ripped off by what he thought was a Nigerian girl. It was originally in politics and not in the racism section. He was posting her picture and number and talking about killing all Nigerians until I spoke up to him.

Please, somebody smarter than me will find the link quicker. Thanking you ahead of time.

925,

As you know. My mother, my brother, my sister, my uncles, my aunts, my grandparents are all white.

It's not about this or that individual white person, it neither what I nor Sista nor any other African American is talking about.

It is about Global White Supremacy, a system, an institution, the way the world is ran.

White people run this world. White people made and enforce this system which causes the starvation death of 33,000 people everyday.

For me as a Christian, it is about those 33,000 starving mostly black and brown babies.

[size=16pt]AS THE BIBLE SAYS:[/size]

Speak up for those who can not speak up for themselves.

or again as the bible says:

A righteous man cares about the [size=16pt]CAUSE[/size] of the poor, the wicked do not care to know it.

Everything I want people to learn is so that we together can learn enough to stop helping "the white system" kill people, starve people, so we can help the poor, the immizerated.

The 60 percent of people who live in absolute poverty in Nigeria for instance. Those starving in nearby Niger.

This is my fight. This is what every African American fights against.

A Continental African is offensive to us, when all he wants to do, is get in good in the system and take care of his own family and say phuck the rest, their low life bastards.

And that is the attitude that AA most often meet. One that says I am only out for me and mines.

I often wonder if only those who listen to RAP music can understand AA. When Young Dro in his song -- going down. Says this: I'm going to make it rain. I ain't scared to share it.

Do they agree with this attitude that Black Americans have of "sharing" it?

Do they understand why every AA feels completely safe, when they see another AA? No matter what the politics of the AA person is? Because we know that Black people MUST take care of BLACK people?

We are together and that includes those whites who help us? Who understand that they must help us and not try to rule over us or make decisions for us?

It's bigger than your white wife and my white mother.

Your missing a big part of what we are saying if you do not understand that, and I am really surprised that you did not understand that.

I still love ya. Smile.

Sista,

Let me tell you about Nairaland.

A whiteman came here and said that all Nigerians should be dead and that it would be doing the world a favor to Nuke Nigeria. (whatever).

Most of the Nigerians apologized to him and never said a bad word about his wanting all Nigerians dead.

They actually rebuked me for telling the whiteman how would he feel if we said that about white people.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Some of these people here worship whites as God.

There is no other way to say it. If a white wants them all dead, they agree and apologize for being alive.

Would you like a link to that post, where the whiteman called for all of their deaths and they apologized to him?

I can go and find it for you.

Don't be fooled by those here who claim to be protecting Nigeria from hatred.

What they really mean is protecting Nigerians from hatred of God, who is white.

This is why Beyounce is Beyounce.

And your not.

I have to give it up to the girl.

Best song in the country right now.

50 cents or TI.

I just began to read the chain letter, so this is not a response to anything else said.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Every musical genra has been accused of being of the devil EVEN GOSPEL MUSIC.

The old black people liked SPIRTUALS, that was sung without music and when gospel came along it was from THE DEVIL.

I wonder how many fools really believe God is up in heaven listening to country or classical music and telling them not to play the "Black Music" it is the devils music?

Let's not be so foolish about every form of music that comes along.

There is a lot of Hip Hop Gospel music.

Maxwell,

You misunderstand Sista. (No I am not going back and reading the last 8 pages until later)

Of course she will rise up and kill all the white people. She is doing you a favor. Her hatred of them is born out of love for you.

You do not return the love and so she is confused but still determined to complete the mission given to her by the "anscestors" who decided to send in the slaves 600 years ago, as a tactitcal war move to defeat the "newcomers" when "things fell apart.