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Truthseeker10:
Baba e don clear say all of una wey believe this Trinity no even understand wetin una believe. No wonder you guys are always contradicting each other. Have you helped diamond68 already?

Omo, e dey clear say you no understand anything and you no wan understand anything that na why people go dey turn turn you like small pikin since you no one form conclusion.

jaephoenix:
I don't usually wanna answer your retarded posts but just wanna tell you that I'm an atheist and I have good relationship with many Christians and Muslims, which include my wife, siblings and inlaws, some of which I cater for. I know your views aren't that of majority of Christians. You are simply a sick and stvpid man

See how you are Stupidly Lying, calling people we do not know and have never seen whereas in here, we have seen the terrible relationship you have with Christians here which is why you could not even mention any one.

So, you are just an extremely very stupid person who does not think before speaking speaking and lying because you obviously are void of a brain and an information processing organ.

Gajagojo:
Good
so when did God define evil and good?

Do you not see it set in and by Nature?

Do you not see that it is Nature that has determined that everyone must call things like these evil?

https://www.nairaland.com/8313987/chinagozorm-lucy-eze-raped-murdered#133666554

https://www.nairaland.com/8313792/police-arrest-two-physically-abusing#133662992

Dem don dey show themselves.

Clear proof that Catholics are Satanist

Gajagojo:
Evil wicked and wrong things? What is an evil thing?

To me teaching a child the Bible or Quran and their stories and programming him with those stories is an evil thing

What exactly is "EVIL" ? what does that mean?

Good and evil is not defined by "to you" or "to me" but by what God through Nature has set them to be as seen and professed by every normal man in the streets all over whole world.

Thus, everyone calls all acts like this evil and wicked and have settled the meaning of evil.
https://www.nairaland.com/8313987/chinagozorm-lucy-eze-raped-murdered#133666554

https://www.nairaland.com/8313792/police-arrest-two-physically-abusing#133662992

And teaching the bible is not one of the evil for the bible teaches people to do the good and to be good.

This Jesus is God has made the madness of the op show.

See Madness displayed everywhere

This Jesus is God has made the madness of the op show.

See Madness displayed everywhere

This Jesus is God has made the madness of the op show.

See Madness displayed everywhere

Semaj77:
Do you even know what implied means in this context So if I say something like your statement implies that Africans are dumb , do you think I'm saying that you mean some Africans or all Africans , abeg you do GES ( abi na GNS una call am git una own school ) ?

Go and check the meaning of implied. It must always contain something that shows you implying.

Not when you are speaking generally eg https://www.nairaland.com/7743613/nigerian-women-extremely-reckless-experience#124063162

Who here thought the op said or implied every woman?

This Jesus is God has made the madness of the op show.

See Madness displayed everywhere.

Jokerman:
True message.

I hope the pre tribulationists read this..

Are we not already in the tribulations? Is it not still the same Jesus Who Said all these that they are following or at least trying to follow?

Semaj77:
Your reply implied that , please go back to your that I quoted and follow it logically

Now you have moved post to "imply" whereas my response did not say so impliedly either as you already know that people speak in a general way exactly as people say "women are into hook up" does not mean nor state that every woman no matter what is into hook up.

Trinity is not something anyone needs to believe in.

Noah, Daniel, Job, the Centurion etc may not have known about the trinity and we can all see that that did not affect how they behaved.

Exousiang01:
You people should stop all these nonsense.

You can't even get a Bible passage to back up this junk your wrote...

All these is about discipline, no be any mumu covenant...

Lots of unbelievers are out there who don't do this things, it's not because of any deliverance it's because of self discipline.

Our greatest problem in the Christiandom is seeing everything as spiritual....

A child is misbehaving, the mother is busy praying against the spirit of stubborness...

A teenage child is discovering his/her sexuality instead of sitting the child down talking to the child, giving the child sex education and guiding the child, you see Christian parents praying against village people who are trying to use immorality to disgrace their family name.....

In a attempt to paint the devil black Christians keep blaming the devil for everything, even their own person misconducts are blamed
Christians never take responsibility....

Oga there is no covenant.

I don't think you understand what a covenant is also.
A covenant cannot just be made by having sex.

Learn about covenants before throwing the word around...

Most importantly people need disciple not deliverance

What you described that people do is true but the Op is simply saying that Fornications and al manners of sex wreckfulness are deadly.

Which is what Proverbs 4 to 9 or so warns about.

So his letters may be wrong but the spirit is the koko

Emusan:
So, in a nutshell Jesus didn't make any statement in Revelation....

Kai see how people lie with bold face.

Jesus is the one WHO promised TO COME BACK and Judge, no where the Father made such statement in the New Testament.

Jesus is the one who died.

Verse 7 says "Look! He comes with the clouds of heaven. And everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the nations of the world will mourn for him. Yes! Amen!"

Was it the Father who died and claim to come in the cloud of heaven?

In fact, Rev 22:20 says "20 He who is the faithful witness to all these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon!” Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!"

Which it was Jesus Himself who made those statement.

Finally, when John saw Jesus, John recorded Jesus saying "17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last."

What will a liar say?

A liar will always try to remove Jesus from every picture and failed to acknowledge Him.

This Gohf guy Lies and even Lie so barefacedly and unashamedly even in the face of clear proof.

See how he was twisting and turning like a snake in this thread all because he wanted to deny like Devil, the Godship of Christ, https://www.nairaland.com/8313368/heb-7-12-another-proof/1#133678238

Truthseeker10:
Na wa for you oo.....so you don't even have an alternative diagram?
It clearly means that you don't even understand this trinity. Meanwhile, your fellow trinity member duamond68 needs your help oo. He said the father is son. Why are you guys contradicting yourselves na?

My question dey dia you no answer am na diagram you dey find. Clearly you no serious na

Biggeststar01:
So you believe that one day, everyone whose ideas and views don’t align with yours, will burn in an everlasting inferno, and be tortured till eternity and you think you’re moral?

My belief is not important but everyone clearly sees that people who have done all kinds of evil, wicked and wrong things are very very much troubled and greatly distressed about dying.

And we all can see and feel that there is something very terrible waiting for them as a judgement for all the evils they had done which they thought they had escaped the Law and punishments.

So my belief has nothing to do with it.

Biggeststar01:
Your experience is not fact. Like I said, human experience is a terrible source of evidence. You engage in these kind of clashes because you start every conversation with invectives and slanderous submissions. I have no conclusions on women or any group of people for that matter.

Have you read sources of evidence? No. If not you would have known that fact is confirmed by human experience.

Then the bold, see how you have put the blame on me when clearly, like even this thread shows, the slanders started with an atheist.

Biggeststar01:
There is no such thing as “main atheists”, the fact that you’re not in good terms with the ones you meet here doesn’t say anything about the behavior of atheists.

Have you seen an atheist in good terms with any Christian? Never.

Clear proof that atheists hate God and everyone who subscribes to Him and as you have just done, you people always attack them first like Hamas does.

Biggeststar01:
The thing is, this is how almost every Christian thinks. They don’t want to do bad things because they are afraid god is watching them. And this is not morality, it’s fear.

And that is why many of them will fall under the Mark for an acts done under threats and duress are never acceptable. Even man fake laws called legal pronounce this Law which God had set. Which is why God's standard is higher.

DropsMic:
Now he is comparing language to spiritual beliefs. What a faeces brain . Even though the chances are slim, I sincerely hope you raise your children to be thinking Christians.

Now because you can not answer you have changed post to spiritual beliefs.

Does belief not already tell you that I have a right to change it?

If you believed in Obi yesterday does it mean you cannot change to Tinubu tomorrow?

It is my belief and you have your own, so find something valid to say this one no enter.

Biggeststar01:
Your view of atheists is an assumption. It is baseless as you cannot substantiate the claim that the atheists position is evil, while yours is moral.

Experience is not an assumption. I have crossed swords with atheists too many times that I must come to a conclusion, exactly how you too have come to a conclusion on women. And there are too many threads/posts to prove that this is the same conclusion people have arrived at.

https://www.nairaland.com/4618490/atheism-extreme-evil#69394396
https://www.nairaland.com/277656/atheism-greatest-all-evils-na#3943094

For me it's even worse that I had to raise my own thread on the evils of atheists.
https://www.nairaland.com/7389658/these-know-atheists-obviously-evil#117672034

So let's leave this issue. You have something to say on the issue at hand

Biggeststar01:
I wrote this in my quiet time and i didn’t want to share it now but I think someone like you needs to read this.

“One thing society need to understand is that; God fearing does not equate to rectitude any more than godlessness equates to depravity. One can be God fearing and still be morally depraved. Likewise, one can be godless and morally upright.
In fact, it is statistically proven that the rate of self-declared atheists [godless individuals] in prisons and other correctional institutions is relatively minuscule [0.001% give or take] in juxtaposition with the rate of the God fearing. Further, countries and organizations that have high rates of godless folk (over 80 and 90% identifying as atheist) are by and large, relatively safer, less corrupt, and generally more prosperous than religiously predominated ones.
The prevailing religious outlook that portrays godless people as inherently flawed and unprincipled, having an incorrigible propensity for moral turpitude, while portraying God fearing individuals as morally superior, is baseless and anachronistic, I think Nigeria should serve as clear proof of that. As a person who lives in a largely religious society, the most nefarious, utterly sadistic and iniquitous set of people I know, are religious and “God fearing”.
Such stereotypes is what allows for illustrious individuals in religious hierarchical subsets to escape justice or even scrutiny apropos moral conduct, while godless folk are assumed to be evil by default because they fear no deity.

Even from the way you have spoken and presented your facts you are different from the main atheists people meet here.

And your points in bold are valid and True.

But as you yourself know and see from the threads many atheists may not be in prison but that doesn't mean that they are not evil people.

Biggeststar01:
Speaking of fear, I opine that the practice of grounding your morality in the “fear of God” is insubstantial. That one’s moral compass is predicated on the idea of a god, doesn’t make one a good person. If the only reason you’re doing good deeds, is because you are afraid of what could happen to you if you do bad deeds, then you’re essentially a bad person who is being restrained from acting on your default. Basically a dog on a leash, and your morality is contingent.”

- Biggeststar

And this is where the foolishness of foolish people are seen whether they go to church and claim to be Christians or not.

If you can see this part, it is clear that God too sees it and definitely He has done many many things to ensure that such kinds of people are weeded out and kept with others who clearly subscribe to doing the wrong and the evil.

So, in the righteousness and uprightness are standards beyond these

Truthseeker10:
Baba draw a diagram that is different from the one I showed you that explain the Trinity to prove that the one I showed you is wrong.

It's easier if you just answer the question I asked.

DropsMic:
The white man’s religion has turned your brain to faeces.

Says the one speaking the white man's Language.

Biggeststar01:
I have nothing else to say to you. I’ll advice you not to make quick assumptions when submitting an argument.
It doesn’t help in ensuing a productive conversation when you assume that every one who disagrees with you is either evil, possessed or intransigent. It suppresses your reasoning and prevents you from questioning your own ideas. You don’t assert people’s ignorance or arrogance before inquiry. This doesn’t help in finding the truth.

I did not assume anything. You represent one side which in my view is evil, while I represent the other side and have marshalled my points to that effect.

I don't know you and you are trying to sound fairly balanced unlike the atheists I deal with here, so I do not see your personality but I do see your position, which is what I addressed.

And I am not trying to condemn anyone but I am here to put clearly facts and Law which people daily uphold in their lives. But when it comes to God, they suddenly forget and start trying to raise an unknown and untested standard which they don't keep.

So, if you have a reasonable counter to my response, I would review it, think on it and if indeed it is valid, I would thank you for the correction and the enlightenment and if an apology is needed, it would be given.

But everyone has got to validly prove their cases

Biggeststar01:
I have nothing else to say to you. I’ll advice you not to make quick assumptions when submitting an argument.
It doesn’t help in ensuing a productive conversation when you assume that every one who disagrees with you is either evil, possessed or intransigent. It suppresses your reasoning and prevents you from questioning your own ideas. You don’t assert people’s ignorance or arrogance before inquiry. This doesn’t help in finding the truth.

I did not assume anything. You represent one side which in my view is evil, while I represent the other side and have marshalled my points to that effect.

I don't know you and you are trying to sound fairly balanced unlike the atheists I deal with here, so I do not see your personality but I do see your position, which is what I addressed.

And I am not trying to condemn anyone but I am here to put clearly facts and Law which people daily uphold in their lives. But when it comes to God, they suddenly forget and start trying to raise an unknown and untested standard which they don't keep.

So, if you have a reasonable counter to my response, I would review it, think on it and if indeed it is valid, I would thank you for the correction and the enlightenment and if an apology is needed, it would be given.

Indifferent12:
Are you seriously, even if a father and child is beefing, if the child need help the father will always step in.

Omo, u guys really defending god wickedness, well he doesn’t exist sha

Not when you have crossed that Line where no reasonable person no matter how over good that person is, will ever touch you eg a son who sleeps with his father's wife, who has not said "it's over. you are finished and you are irredeemably Cursed and Damned" even if the child is burning in a car accident?

And you people are funny o. You are the ones who call a person fool for forgiving a cheating wife, now you are still the one calling God wicked for not helping a sinner. A very good reason why He should not be around to help any of you, you don't deserve it.

Biggeststar01:
See how religion has completely suppressed your critical thinking skills.

The person you’re replying to never said that he was the one asking for a miracle. There are countless Cristians asking the Christian god for a miracle right now, and their prayers will not be answered. Some pray for healing, some pray for financial resuscitation, some pray for protection. And a lot of them will leave empty. Even worse is that, many of them, according to some Christian doctrines, will eventually go to hell for being born into the wrong denomination and praying to the wrong version of the true god.

This is not an attempt to defame or besmirch the reputation of your God, the argument of evil and suffering is simply pointing out that there is so much suffering in the world, that the entire basis of life itself is based on the suffering of one life in order to preserve another. Mosquitoes need our blood to survive, they feed on the most vulnerable and infect them with diseases, most times eventually killing them. There are insects that have to paralyze other animals, and feed on them alive, lay their eggs in them and make their children feed on the paralyzed animal until it dies. There’s also the Guinea worm, an organism whose whole purpose is to get into the eyes of human children and eat their eyes, painfully and slowly turning them blind.

Every kind of suffering and pain you can imagine, exists. This begs the question, Why? Why create all of this? For what purpose? This is not to make an argument that god exists and that he is evil, it just expresses that the belief in the theistic god is inconsistent with rationality and morality. Have you ever ask why such things happen? Or you’re only concerned about how these things haven’t happened to you or your family?

When you start asking the real questions, you find that believing in a god is utter insanity. The wars and genocides that have been motivated and encouraged by different religious dogmas. The hiddenness of god that is a major problem as it has caused every culture to create their own version of god and pass it down either through propaganda, oral recounting, or violence.

Nobody hate your god. Atheists just don’t care for it.

Nature already tells everyone that people always speak from personal positions which is proven by his responses.

Secondly, you ended up tying all the issues you are interested in and landing on your own personal issue which is the bold.

And the answer to that question is even before you eg see how you bad the world is today that you people are even running away from family, so called friends, marriage ? What caused it? Because you people are evil

And God warned you all to stop doing and being evil, "that evil may not increase in the land" but you didn't.

Now you are complaining that the earth is killing you with sickness and death and all of these things were not there at the beginning. As you see it is after Noah that He Commands animals that if they kill man, they would answer to Him.

So people are only eating the fruits they have planted, so nobody should disturb God.

And of course, when your girlfriend or wife behaves badly, do you not hide (ghost) them and cast them out?

And when you don't care about a thing eg people don't care about aliens, you don't have time talking rubbish all day about them. So atheists are simply God haters and supporters of evil as many threads have shown.

Semaj77:
So from your premise , every child or person who has suffered agonizing pain and died from it isn't really serving God You must be a very terrible person to say this

My premise did not contain "every".

BafanaBafana:
Na so.
If it goes well, give the credit to God. If it turns out bad, blame the person.

You don forget say many people dey ungrateful? No b dem dey blame dia papa for D little time hin talk no for something wey dem bin want, to the point you go wonder wia D pikin come from? Abeg leave human beings bo.

RealityKings1:
There are several videos and pictorial evidence of that moment on YouTube. Show me the video evidence of your own claims

Now you have shifted to YouTube and video and pictorial evidence because you yourself were not there when these events happened.

Whereas YouTube was not there in 1947 .

And on pictorial evidence a lot were obtained from books and newspapers and drawings eg pictures of Aristotle, Socrates, Egypt, Archimedes, Paul ,etc were items obtained from older books since there was no camera or video in those days, yet we know these people past were true, so your objection is null.

RealityKings1:
The point is, Natural law is a system of law based on a CLOSE OBSERVATION of natural order and human nature.. it wasn't as if it was explicitly written down by the supreme deity.

It's up to you to observe and interpret as you deem fit. You can't say "Who Laid The Law of Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot"... That is a purely human influenced "fairness and justice'.. It's the same thing with forgiveness or kindness.

Forgiveness, kindness, Fairness, Justice are all in the same category: They are all realities that are available. So you have to chose based on human instinct.

The bold is the exact proof of God and the fact that it is not a creation of man exactly how all the wisdom we call common sense were never written down.

In fact, it became written down and copied because God, Commanded it. Deuteronomy 17:18-20.

So, it's writing of the law is not a material evidence of Law exactly as it is not Written any where that a man is permitted to climb trees or swim in rivers and lakes or spit, yet these are Laws.

So everything has been laid as you have confessed "They are all realities that are available"

RealityKings1:
For the creator to have made all these category of choices available to be recognised, obviously he isn't taking any as his favourite
Its very difficult to say the creator had

His Preference is already Set in that world over the Good eg The Law of Fairness in Audi Alterem Partem /Nullum crimen sine lege and other Laws of Fairness and Just Is and everything good is above and higher than the evil