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GloriousGbola:
whats diff between homer and shakespeare?

Homer is questionable while Shakespeare is clearly identified

LordReed:
Then why wasn't there a Shakespeare a 100, 000 years ago?

It makes much more sense to me given the history of humans. The compounding effects over time puts things into perspective so much better.

See, you have again run away from the point.

is it humans who made the universe?

DeepSight:
Personally, regarding the extreme order, precision and fitness for purpose of certain things in this world, I don't buy the "billions of years" excuse. There are somethings that could never develop even with zillions of years, even with eternity without the deliberate direction of a mind.

Not even with eternity would a monkey be able to come up with the Complete Works of Shakespeare and not even with eternity would natural selection produce a brain that does what it does aside from things that have little to no correlation with survival such as poetry or philosophy.

I personally feel that there are somethings that natural selection can never explain and evolutionists in those cases hide behind billions of years.

He knows. Because he can't validly deny and refute that observation is why he shifted post to the place where he thinks he can argue it from knowing that you would miss the invalidity of his argument.

LordReed:
You are looking at the end of billions of years of reiterative natural processes based on physical laws that don't need any intelligence to operate.

Maybe if we had a billion years to perfect computers they would be greater than biological brains.

See how you shifted post. He did not say anything about billions of years, yet here are you adding it as if you were there at the beginning of the billions of years.

LordReed:
Science is in itself a proof of the Universe existence, because science is about unravelling the hidden knowledge of the Universe in order to replicate it or use it to provide solutions regarding the world.

Therefore without the Universe, science itself wouldn't exist, because without the Universe there wouldn't be any world for science to explore or learn from.

Therefore science itself is actually a pointer to the Universe, hence why the biggest brains or the greatest scientists in history do not just believe in the existence of the Universe but actually believe in the Universe, because of how fascinating the world is, which they find themselves privileged to explore and learn a lot from.

Universe bless.

That is trash

The only reason science exist is because man was not made to be a mannequin having what we call brains and other functions that make us do science.

geoworldedu:
Denying the absence of God Almighty, the creator of Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu and others does not make anyone a fool. I wonder how you people got that assertion. If you check very well, God Almighty who created Jehovah is someone who actually wanted humans to concentrate on themselves rather than the gods like Jehovah, Allah, etc.

Read the Book of Basotesh to enlighten yourself.

Your weed is original!

erad:
Yes, for people who come from homes that see their religion as a policy.

Ok
Hope you know that atheism is also a religion?

erad:
One of the tricky things about the creator theory that most religious people will never accept is that it is a never-ending loop.

If you insist the world and how it works is so beautiful and intricate and therefore must have been created by a creator... You also have to be willing to welcome the idea that that creator didn't just appear one day and must have been created by another creator... And that creator by another creator... At what point does the loop end?

First, this violates The Law of Logic for it is first OFF POINT and the Fallacy of Red Herring!

And secondly commits the Fallacy of False Dilemma!

So, it's an invalid argument and therefore illogical and untrue.

Thus, the Creator theory stands as Truth as no atheists has any valid argument against it.

And that is why it is The Law "There is no valid against the Truth".

erad:
This is the mistake people keep making. Atheism just like theism is not something to inherit, it's something brought about by experience and knowledge.

He was never an atheist, he was just following family policy and one thing about such policies, the mind will always explore and will eventually find something, does not make that thing right or wrong, but it's an option.

In other words atheists became atheists because they found the atheists things which they made their minds search for in support of their minds even though they are not right.

For right and wrong clearly exists and the difference between them are very clear and distinct

yeshuasfootstep:
Science studies reality through observation, testing and evidence. It discovers how natural processes work. The fact that science studies a universe that exists does not logically establish who, if anyone, caused that universe to exist.

Saying "without a Creator there would be no creation for science to study" simply assumes the conclusion it is supposed to prove. It is essentially:

The universe exists → therefore someone created it → therefore God exists.

The first step is an observation. The second is an additional philosophical claim. The third still requires an argument identifying that creator as God. .

Is it not observed that No Thing, creates itself, nor is capable of creating itself?

Oya answer?

Kennitrust:
Why is human such an unlucky being

To come to this world na struggle

To grow into a man na struggle

Being a responsible man na struggled

In the middle of the struggle

They show you another struggle that you don't even see

You have struggle again to enter heaven.

Why is human being so unfortunate?

Blame your rulers, parents, siblings neighbours, classmates, colleagues etc

Beautifulday:
So people were getting born again before Jesus?

Only if you knew the meaning of born again then would you have been able to answer the question.

And I think some years back there was a thread asking this question which people answered

Beautifulday:
You mean your burner account 🙄

You wish!

Beautifulday:
Many people don't teach born again because they don't know it. If you understand it, you will teach it everyday because with it, you have everything

You are wrong. This is even the most taught subject, that everybody is tired of hearing even though it is taught wrongly

And unlike you who I suspect is pretending, many people truly know what born again means even though they don't want to be born again. So, no need to teach it for anyone who Truly wants to learn it, will find it.

Beautifulday:
Why did you create the thread then?

Now you move post yet again and besides, am not the one who created the thread

Beautifulday:
Ok! But teach others that will come to this thread what born again is. Not just rambling

They already know to ask if they are interested, so don't worry about them go learn the shortcomings i have already pointed out to you

Beautifulday:
Lol! So you weren't here to teach people to know but to mislead them.

A good teacher knows that teaching cannot be done if the foundation of the topic is not there. Cant teach jurisprudence to a child who does not even know government

Beautifulday:
I am in your nursery, what is born again?

I have already pointed out your shortcomings and that means that you are demoted and sent back to breastfeeding school for retraining

Beautifulday:
What is born again

Let's make people understand what born again means. It will be of great help

Anyone who does not understand would ask me, so don't worry about them, go learn the shortcomings i have just pointed out to you

Beautifulday:
I understand but what is born again?

Sorry son, you've got to go to nursery and primary school before you become a pilot

Beautifulday:
Lol! All these doesn't matter except to man. Adam lives in two worlds. Heaven and earth. He could hear, see and speak to God a spirit, yet he could take care of the garden.

Adam was divine. Humanity is a fallen state of man

You have moved post to Adam's housing and communication whereas we are talking about Adam's pre sin status in relation to his liability to sin and punishment.

I guess, you are just trying to process the information

Beautifulday:
What is born again?

There is no short cuts with God. If you don't understand the process, you are going to be in trouble exactly like a person wants to drive a plane yet does not know what a plane is.

Beautifulday:
What was the state of Adam before sin?

Holy, Clean, Guilt-None, limited Freedom from the liability of punishment

Beautifulday:
Ok we are willing to learn now.

What is born again?

We have gone backwards to see why you don't know what is born again, so go learn what debt and payment means and to whom is debt owed and whether if in truth, you are owing Him or anybody etc

Beautifulday:
Sin caused death, when the sin issue was settled, death lost is power over man

Since you appreciate that sin is what caused death and not that death just strolled in then you are wrong and sin is definitely the problem of man hence why God Said "Sin no more"

Beautifulday:
It's funny that some of you are poor students. You will choose illustrations over facts. How did you guys pass exams

And your illustration shows what you understand and what you don't understand. And unfortunately, your supposed illustration shows that you do not even understand that there is a difference between debt and payment.

So, if you could not recognise the difference between debt and payment, you can never understand what is going on and what born again/new man means.

And all these is upon the presumption that you are not truly pretending to not understand what born again means

Kingzjayzee:
To make it to heaven, na by grace ooo. Born again or not...if God show you mercy and his grace is on you, you are covered otherwise you are on your own o

Has God not already given Mercy and Grace?
What did people do with it!?
That is what is worrying them

Beautifulday:
What did Jesus paid for and to whom?

Another set of questions you need to answer in addition. So, really you did not understand the difference between debt and payment. Ah, you have a lot to learn or relearn

Beautifulday:
What you call debt is the payment for sin which brought death. Once sin was paid for, man received life in place of death and the life he received is eternal. He can't loose it even if he sins.

It's shocking right?

Is payment payment, debt? Do you not know the meaning of payment and the meaning of debt?

Ah, you have a lot to learn

chieveboy:
This is where you have to insult first to get the answer.

Or could the Holy spirit of insult and name calling not have fallen on you yet?

In any case, go get akpu and tear the leather. You answer will come up.

Clearly your lucid moment has passed