₦airaland Forum

Krismas:
Africa is backwards for the sake of foolish believe in ridiculous religious systems yet you say its only your business?

Krismas:
Heaven is a scam

SonOfWords:
Lol. You should be a comedian .

SonOfWords:
Show me evidence. Just one.

SonOfWords:
Hard to think people still believe in the existence of some heaven meant to give them an "enjoyable eternity" where they'll be singing hymns and choruses in perpetual servitude of their supreme god😭😂.

If your god is not some self-obsessed psycho, why would he want you spending your eternity worshipping him?

Sirianese:
These are nothing but fairytales

pafestula:
Which heaven are you guys talking about self? Which gold casted throne is God sitting on there? Who refines gold? Human Who invented chairs? Human

How these whites programmed you guys is so hilarious. Kudos to the author of those books, they are indeed a great philosophers.

Where is the garden of Eden located on earth? Show me where Jesus disciples were buried? Stop this nonsense and wake up! What happens to those who died before they brought Christianity to Africa? Direct hellfire abi? How about those countries that doesn't believe in your Jesus like China, Japan etc?

KIDfurniture:
Which heaven ? The one oyinbo painted for you and put in ur minds Abi. Heaven ko. Hell ni. U better do good and serve God well.


Oh u want to go to heaven to inherit ur mansion Abi. Wait if it was true that heaven was waiting for u. Would u give it all up today and go to this heaven ?

Perewenkle1:
Forgiveness of your sins does not take you to Heaven, only blood of Jesus, accepting that He died for you is the only way to Heaven.

pafestula:
Which heaven are you guys talking about self? Which gold casted throne is God sitting on there? Who refines gold? Human Who invented chairs? Human

How these whites programmed you guys is so hilarious. Kudos to the author of those books, they are indeed a great philosophers.

Where is the garden of Eden located on earth? Show me where Jesus disciples were buried? Stop this nonsense and wake up! What happens to those who died before they brought Christianity to Africa? Direct hellfire abi? How about those countries that doesn't believe in your Jesus like China, Japan etc?

BigBashiru:
I am a Christian for I believe Jesus is the Son of God who had come in the flesh to save us from the effect of Adam eating that apple.

But I'm also using my brain

I don't expect much from Christianity including it's heaven. This is for ultimate peace of mind.

BigBashiru:
No be God were create us to be so?

BigBashiru:
What actual evidence do you hv you are going to this heaven when irs not Judgement Day yet? Is your belief based on blind faith alone? Don't be too sure because it's not judgement Day yet.

I encourage all religious nut jobs to use their heads for once.yoi can use your head and still be a Christian. Dint suspend your current sense of reasoning.

Did Jesus appear to you personally and promised you heaven and His decision on judgement day. If not don't be too sure

femi4:
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me

BigBashiru:
The punishment for what humans may have done is too harsh..ETERNAL punishment for eating an apple..thanks but no thanks.

femi4:
He was humbled in the end n returned all the glory to God

J0HNNY:
There are negative and positive pride.

The one that should be avoided, is the negative pride that's without positive humility.

BigBashiru:
The Hebrew God claims His love is unfailing yet is going to send majority of His creation to hell. And while His creations are burning He loves them lol

michael132:
Pride has too side of a coin .. without pride sometimes u r shit ... But carry ur pride responsible dont use it to show case or oppress or look down at anybody , use it to upgrade ur standing that will at end bring respect and love to u and others

Roycemadeit:
Nobody is arguing that humans fell from the sky, so that point is irrelevant.

A family tree being observable and measurable does not prove that the entire human family tree begins with Adam and Eve.

And observing corruption, war, exploitation, and other forms of human wrongdoing proves that humans can produce harmful outcomes. It does not prove that Adam and Eve were the biological source of those traits.

It is funny, how you are treating a theological belief as an established fact and then using the consequences you observe in the world to validate the belief.

What evidence shows that the human genetic population we observe today originated from Adam and Eve?

_{Why can't you simply receive blood from anyone? Blood groups are biological facts, not theological beliefs. The same applies to inherited genotypes. We can test these differences in a laboratory and observe them in real human populations...}

Calling the question “senseless” doesn't answer it. It just avoids it.

AntiChristian:
[size=12pt]In the Bible, Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Good and Evil before knowing what Good and Evil were.

How can it be said that they sinned when they do not know what good is?

Roycemadeit:
We need to separate THEOLOGICAL BELIEF from BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.

We can observe inherited genetic differences among humans, including blood groups and population variation. These are measurable facts, not theological interpretations.

When you say, “two people can populate the world,” you are answering a different question. I am not asking whether two people can eventually have descendants who populate the world.

Your “bad seeds” analogy also does not explain the actual causal mechanism.

We can identify how policies, corruption, wars, exploitation, and economic conditions produce harmful consequences. What, then, is the mechanism by which Adam and Eve’s disobedience produces poverty, disease, war, inequality, and corruption thousands of years later?

Can descendants inherit biological and social consequences from previous generations? Yes.

Does that prove humanity descended biologically from Adam and Eve? No.

Does it prove I inherit Adam’s moral guilt? No.

Jumbojax:
Mark 14:10 (KJV):
And Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray him unto them.

The book is not unreasonable, Judas repented just like Paul, what he never did was believe, don't make that same mistake

Jumbojax:
The disciples?? So Judas Iscariot "made it"? Paul didn't murder? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Roycemadeit:
Human genetics and population history challenge the idea that humanity descended biologically from only two individuals. We can explain human ancestry, migration, and variation without invoking Adam and Eve.

Even granting the story, saying they planted the first “bad seeds” does not show they are necessary to explain today’s bad fruits.

So my question remains: what does the Adam and Eve story explain that observable causes cannot?

I accepted it as a child as an account of humanity’s first bad choices. But as an adult, I see insufficient reason to treat it as literal biological history.

More fundamentally, inheriting consequences is not the same as inheriting guilt. I can suffer because of my ancestors’ actions without being responsible for them. Likewise, I can inherit past consequences while remaining responsible for my own choices.

Even if Adam and Eve began humanity’s bad choices, you must still explain why their actions make me morally responsible for something I did not do.

jaephoenix:
So what is your point?

jaephoenix:
Oh just shut it already

jaephoenix:
So when your TV is off,what channel are you exactly watching?
When you're barefoot,what footwear are you wearing

ifenes:
Imagine two men find a drowning child.

The first jumps into the river because he cannot bear to watch another human being die. He expects nothing, tells nobody and walks away afterwards.

The second jumps in because he believes the universe will reward him for doing good.

Both saved the child. The action is identical, but the moral psychology is not.

You keep arguing that every action has a reason. I never disputed that. The question to you is whether every reason must involve anticipated personal consequences. That simply does not follow.

Virtue was not supposed to be a bargain with fortune. You do what is right because it is right, while accepting that life may give you absolutely nothing in return.

If I return a lost wallet because I expect heaven or future reward, then goodness has become an investment. If I return it knowing that nobody will ever know, and accepting that I may receive nothing, that is something different.

A reason explains an action. A reward purchases one. Confusing the two is where your argument fails. This is where religious folks fall short. Be hood for goodness sake and not heaven’s sake

ifenes:
You are confusing having a reason with expecting a reward. Of course actions have motives, but not every motive is transactional. A stranger can help someone knowing they will never meet again. My point is goodness reaches a higher moral level when the reason is compassion itself, rather than the promise of a heaven or fear of hell. Doing things from compassion makes you a "high functioning" human. Meanwhile, doing it from a position of fear of god is the opposite.

Roycemadeit:
Then I think we are closer than you realise.

I agree that we can inherit the consequences of previous generations’ decisions without being morally guilty of them. But that is precisely my point: you have moved from Adam and Eve to identifiable human actions and their consequences.

If God is not the direct cause, and previous generations created the conditions we inherited, we can investigate them through history, politics, economics, psychology, science, and human behaviour without invoking Adam and Eve.

Your examples of Buhari, Tinubu, and Trump support my argument. We can identify the decisions, institutions, policies, wars, corruption, and exploitation behind their consequences.

That's why I earlier said:
"We inherited a world we did not create, but the world we leave behind is our responsibility."