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Wilgrea7:
And what exactly are you trying to say here? I've already said it doesn't always mean acceptance or agreement.. and you're saying what exactly??

I am saying we know and we know also know when silence occurs because Truth has shut all mouths!

Wilgrea7:
You are trying to eat your cake and have it. First of all, the bible isn't, and was never the center of the universe, where different civilizations around the world would be bothered about debunking it's claims.

Change of Post! The issue is not about "centre of the universe".

Wilgrea7:
The bible as a thing didn't even exist up until a few thousand years ago. So your point really doesn't hold much water.

Off Point! Google, cars, phones did not exist until a few years ago and they have their places here. But offpoint still.

Wilgrea7:
Secondly, as I've shown you, different civilizations at the time were writing their own contradictory stories and claims. Your argument for the Bible's claims can be used to defend the claims made in the books of other religions.

As I said, change of post! We are not talking about "other religious books". Each group have a right to defend themselves on their own force and merit.

Wilgrea7:
...That was my response to statement you made about AuthenticKing not being there.

I know! And I simply responded to show you that you should not have said anything for it is indefensible because you both lack locus standi. Just as you lack capacity to make a case about Davido's son's death, so also could both you and the other guy nor anybody today raise any allegation against the Bible. You can not take panadol for another person's headache, is The Law!

Wilgrea7:
We believe things, or rather, accept them as true when we have a certain level of evidence for them.

You can as well refuse to believe and accept that Ifeanyi Davido's son, is not dead! You are well within your rights and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it, for it is your right to accept or reject any thing, whether that thing is True or not. Like refusing to travel with God is good Motors and preferring "I hate God Mass Transit". It is the exercise of your power and right to act.

Whether your power and right is exercised rightly or wrongly is a separate issue.

But, as long as you have a power and right to act, you will do it in any way you will it to be and like I said, using the Davido's son and the transport companies, the basis does not need to be True. As long as it is your power, you will do whatever you choose to do.

After all, you are free to choose a Truth or a Lie! You are not bound to accept all Truths whether you like it or not.

And that is why a Court, the Natural Court God made and gave men (and not the ones men made for themselves which is called legal) is better, for it must accept all Truths whether the Judges like it or not.

But in your own court you can do whatever you like which is the essence and power and evil of legal and manmade courts which are courts of "do as you like and can do"!

Which is simply what you people are doing AND YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT BOUND OR SWORN TO UPHOLD THE TRUTH

So, there is no need trying to prove anything to you people.

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*THE STRANGER I GREW UP WITH !!!*

A few years after I was born, my Dad met a stranger who was new to our city. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer and soon invited him to live with our family.

The stranger was quickly accepted and was around from then on.

As I grew up, I never questioned his place in my family. In my young mind, he had a special niche.

My parents were complementary instructors: Mum taught me Good from Evil, and Dad taught me to Obey.

But the stranger.. he was our storyteller. He would keep us spellbound for hours on end with adventures, mysteries and comedies.

If I wanted to know anything about politics, history or science, he always knew the answers about the past, understood the present and even seemed able to predict the future!

He took my family to the first premiership game. He made me laugh, and he made me cry. The stranger never stopped talking, but Dad didn't seem to mind.

Sometimes, Mum would get up quietly while the rest of us were shushing each other to listen to what he had to say, and she would go to the kitchen for peace and quiet.
(I wonder now if she ever prayed for the stranger to leave.)

Dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions, but the stranger never felt obligated to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our home - not from us, our friends or any visitors. Our long time visitor, however, got away with four-letter words that burned my ears and made my dad squirm and my mother blush.

My Dad didn't permit the liberal use of alcohol but the stranger encouraged us to try it on a regular basis. He made cigarettes look cool, cigars manly, and pipes distinguished.

He talked freely (much too freely!) about sex. His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing.

I now know that my early concepts about relationships were influenced strongly by the stranger. Time after time, he opposed the values of my parents, yet he was seldom rebuked.. And NEVER asked to leave.

More than forty years have passed since the stranger moved in with our family. He has blended right in and is not nearly as fascinating as he was at first.

Still, if you could walk into my parents' den today, you would still find him sitting over in his corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures.


His name?..

We just call him *TV*

(Note: This should be required reading for every household!)

He has a wife now.. we call her *Computer*
Their first child is *Cell Phone*.
Second child *video games*
By the way, they now have a wonderful grand child
she is a genius!
she is fondly called *Whatsapp*.
She is nearly more popular than her mom
her older cousin is *Facebook* and new baby cousins are *Snapchat*, *Instagram*

*This Stranger and members of its family appear to have taken up permanent residence in our homes "and we seem powerless to check their excesses."*

Aemmyjah:
...This is where you need to treat him with the dosage of silence as the best medicine.

I understand what you mean I am just trying to conclude what I started.

Aemmyjah:
...Again, for the billionth time, I am asking them, Is Atheism the answer?

People who never pass jamb or finish the University or do not get visas always say shiit about those places when they are rejected.

Hoodrat:
...When you consider the plight of our people, it is one of turmoil. You may ask church leaders today why God allowed us to suffer so much and ask for scriptural proof. Church leaders have filled our minds with every love verse- that reality, even the truth is lost. The truth is we’ve been cursed as a people not blessed, things have happened to us and not to no other people- as a race. Why? Our history is the greatest holocaust.

Talking rubbish! The death of Africa started when those white bandits came with their banditry dubiously called colonialism.

And then you people imported their evil (homosexuality, sexual recklessness, love of excessive wealth, atheism etc therefore you imported the Curse.

Wilgrea7:
...I don't know what universe you're getting your data from, but silence does not always mean agreement.

We know what the meaning of silence is, in every situation.

Wilgrea7:
Secondly, the idea that "objections were not raised" simply doesn't make any logical sense.

The fact that the biblical writers themselves didn't document "objections" to their stories, doesn't mean that objections didn't or couldn't have existed at the time.

See how faulty your thinking is? It is not the Bible writers (Defendant) who will document objections but the Complainants against the Bible reports (Plaintiff) who will raise their objection and document same. That is how it works.

Wilgrea7:
Also, in regards to objections, just as certain books of the bible tells certain stories in favor of their God, other religious books also tell their own contradictory stories, in favor of their own God. Doesn't make either any more true.

Stick to the issue (Change of Post). We are not talking about what "other religious books tell". We are talking about your unfounded allegations against the Bible, which as you can see, you have none.

Wilgrea7:
This is funny considering you believe stories written in a book, even though you were not also there to physically see or experience those things.

Same as we believe the news in nairaland's front page even when none of us are present there. Normal natural living and well within my right.

This, the record shows that I did not make this allegation. It is rather you are your co-respondent plaintiff who made this unfounded allegations, which I came to defend.

And as the records here exhibits, you have no reasonable accusation only your personal grumblings and displeasure.

Hermes119:
Good for you

Great for Me! I Thank The Lord for being my Shepherd and taking me to my very sweet place!

Snitch24:
U still don't get the point
Don't forget the main topic
Why does the innocent ones have to die

Common sense taught everyone that if you live in glass houses, do not throw stones. But do you people ever obey? No!

So homelessness and broken homes and pains shall abound.

Snitch24:
Shut up
Me I don't like it here
I had no choice...

You have one choice on this. Kill yourself!

FatherFurious:
Last week, I read about a baby. Apparently, the little infant did something that infuriated its father to the point of damaging one of the baby's arms.

The arm was amputated.
Then the baby died.

Small mercies.

You smoke bad weed to expect to plant sticks and stones to harvest yams!

triple996:
Christianity is becoming a joke

No! It is rather that people are getting stupider by the day.

LordReed:
LoLz! Massive self deceit. Bwahahahahahaha!

You wish!

LordReed:
LoLz! So you don't lock your doors, you don't have burglary proofing on your windows?

For fun and beauty.

Tunechi112:
Lol,u didn't even answer his question

It has no benefit to him!

AuthenticKing:
How can Christianity be the ultimate truth when it borrowed its truths from religions before it and added it's truth to make it religion seem to be the holder of valid truth?

And one of the implications of my answer is that you are the one who is making such a spurious and unfounded allegation centuries after.

And the making of an allegation, is not proof of Truth.

None of those present when the Bible made its report raised any objection to it. Meaning they confirm and corroborate the Truth of its reports.

So, you can not come centuries after to make an allegation which you did not personally see. Which is why your allegation is unfounded exactly like you accusing Dele Giwa of borrowing the Truth from Daily Times. You would be guilty of defamation.

Stick to your problem which is that you are very angry that the Bible has said Truths which you hate and find very unsettling. Your discomfort and displeasure is not the issue of discuss.

Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance. (or unacceptance)

W. Clement Stone

AuthenticKing:
How can Christianity be the ultimate truth when it borrowed its truths from religions before it and added it's truth to make it religion seem to be the holder of valid truth?

And one of the implications of my answer is that you are the one who is making such a spurious and unfounded allegation centuries after.

And the making of an allegation, is not proof of Truth.

None of those present when the Bible made its report raised any objection to it. Meaning they confirm and corroborate the Truth of its reports.

So, you can not come centuries after to make an allegation which you did not personally see. Which is why your allegation is unfounded exactly like you accusing Dele Giwa of borrowing the Truth from Daily Times. You would be guilty of defamation.

Stick to your problem which is that you are very angry that the Bible has said Truths which you hate and find very unsettling. Your discomfort and displeasure is not the issue of discuss

sonmvayina:
Every now and then I receive an email or see in this platform a devout Christian who tells me that no one (including, well, me) is able to interpret the Bible correctly without guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Well, I Could point to passage after passage where we'll meaning and clear headed Christians who claim to be given their understanding by the holy spirit provide two three or four contradictory Interpretation of the passage so what is the evidence that the spirit assist in interpretation.

Bart Ehrman.

First, that is the beautifully powerfilled engine of the Bible. Most books written by men have one or at most 2
or maybe 3 interpretations and after that it is finished.

But this is where the Bible proves that it is not Written by men. It's Words pursue every living situation in which men find themselves to guide them and since man's living is diverse, therefore, there is no end of interpretation.

Hence the value of the song we used to sing when we were young

Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.

Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. Psalm 48:1–2

And it is The Holy Spirit who takes a person to These Holy Words fitted for his situation.

That is how it works!

That is why people can read the Bible from front to back, many many times but they will not get much out of it, without The Spirit's Leading and Guidance. Reading a novel is more profitable to them. That is how God made it to work!

seiyefajohn:
That is not often the case. Some meet their demise unknowingly.

Even before his cessation he knows where he would be going, if he checked.

kennyz247:
and Lazarus in the Bible was doing what to the richman ?

Just as the wise thief on the cross who made it to paradise, it is an exception and not the rule.

Hermes119:
What benefit do you enjoy because you are a Christian that others don't

LordReed:
Really? What advantage do you have over Dangote for instance?

Peace Everywhere, Rest Everywhere, Renewal of my Soul, Lack of Fear of prison and who takes control of the country whether politicians or Britain or China or America, Joy unspeakable! Love, perfect marriage and very sweet home! The thngs money can never buy!

I told you before!

LordReed:
LoLz! I didn't say you shall not die, is evening time impeding your understanding of English?

we know what you said and what you did not say!

Steep:
...
So dear reader the gospel is a wonderful news it is God offering you redemption, forgiveness, regeneration, his own righteousness and eternal life, however all these things are in and through Jesus christ...

When we warn people we go to the bottom lines eg dem dey kidnap for Abuja-Kaduna road, no go. (Hell)

Use, Abuja-jos-kano route (heaven).

It is when they heed our warning that preaching the Gospel can begin.

LordReed:
Unless there is some medical breakthrough that enables longevity, you'll not be realising anything 100 years from now. Dead people don't realise anything so live your best life now, there's no part 2.

Exactly what Satan told Eve. "You shall not die, you shall be as God" the evil said.

And in the end, they all died and suffered.

Now, this evil has come say as Satan did to Eve. Your choice, your sorrow.

Righteousness2:
Complete Mis- interpretation of Scriptures .
Wake up ooo! You are being Deceived!

You can pick any part of scripture you like to suit yourself. But you are only deceiving yourself!! The Word of GOD is a complete book that will guide and teach whoever is willing the mind of God and God's Program for humanity.

Wake up Quickly before it is late! You are being deceived!
Eternity is real! Heaven and Hell are Real!

In all that you have said, you still did not put forth what you would have called the correct interpretation for us to compare which is True.

LikeAking:
Dem no born nepa well to carry chairman gf transformer...

LikeAking:
Christians suppose get an advantage in life, that's my point...

But there is none..

We do! Just that there are way too few who are Christians, therefore, it is not an easily seen thing.

LikeAking:
I got no creator..

You do!

We already know that it is impossible for you to create yourself, just as your phone and mannequin could not create itself.

Aemmyjah:
What are you even saying? He said he did not understand those particular verses. How will Jesus Christ go and preach to people who had perished already several centuries ago?

That is because you have not seen that from Cain God has really not avenged Himself.

Matthew 23:35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel (old world) unto the blood of Zacharias.

Or the sinners at the who disobeyed God's first Commandment with raising the golden calf.

Exodus 32:34
"nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Then the parable in Mathew 20:16. "So the last shall be first, and the first last:". In Court, the first cases called up are the fresh cases while the old cases are treated last.

So, Christ started preaching with us and ended with the old. Same judgement Day shall be.

bushjeph:
100 years ago from now was 1922. So dont put pressure on people

He is not the one who pressures you but your guilt, exactly as a criminal will always be pressurised by the sound of sirens but the innocent will sing along, paa puum paa pum.

seiyefajohn:
...During that time, our fate in respect to paradise or hell would have been made known to us.

Actually, before a man departs to the grave, he already knows whether he is heading to paradise or eternal flame.

SeniorMan715:
Please help me explain 1 Peter 3:19,20

Do not narrow 1 Peter 3 to verses 19 and 20. The message is 1 Peter 3, which is advising the need to do that which is right and good in the eye of God

"Let him hate evil, and do good; "

19 and 20 is just giving a great warning to us not to put the Love and Sacrifice of God to waste, Who went as far as preaching to those of the first world (pre-flood people).

It would be very very very bad for the person who makes this great love and sacrifice a vain thing. That is what 1 Peter 3 is warning us.

LikeAking:
Which creator?

Your own Creator.

LikeAking:
Wat are u saying?

Why must some one serve a big God and still suffer? Even Gfs of powerful men don't surfer..

Gfs are connected hence they have supply.

But when Nepa carry their transformer comot for area, songs of complaints and lamentation.

So, it's not about service but about wisdom and understanding and love of good and love of self.

LikeAking:
E good na, if God cut am off...

Blackberry, Sagem, Pager, Nokia 3310, all of dem go tell you say e no good when your Creator cut you comot.