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wis3:
you wouldn't understand.

I do very much understand!

Your problem is that you do not know how faaar Looost you are.

I have the answers to every reasonable question that you may pose and even you yourself, would see that, you are wrong if you would be fully truthful.

wis3:
you're getting jittery. Have an open mind and you'll understand where I'm coming from.

I am not jittery I am too excited to see whatever you might drop that I would prove to you that you are wrong. and that God and the Bible is beyond reasonable doubt absolutely right and accurate.

wis3:
These are just books which have been written and rewritten over the years. Some of the things in it maybe true, some may have been altered.

The Truth is seen in nature which is why you know that things are always formed from something by Someone!

wis3:
you see. This right here is the problem, we have been wired to accept most of the things we are told and not question certain things because you'd be blaspheming. Has it occurred to you that maybe they just don't want us to see through the lies they'd made us believe our whole life and everything we think we know is a lie?

Since you were grew up you knew how to spot and discover lies. So how is it that your natural lie detector is not working?

wis3:
you have alot of people practicing different faiths, each claiming superiority over the other and claims to serve the one true God, what if this is not how God wants to be worshipped? What if God didn't even exist?

We do not live in "what if" world's. We live in a cause and effect one.

wis3:
I do not fear death. Infact, there were times when I'd envisaged how I'd die and I have had a couple of near death experiences and it doesn't freak me out. It feels just natural just like plants do die but the question still remains.

You are lying!

You had better know that everyone has experienced near death before and we know how it felt.

The only group of people who do not fear it are those who are not guilty of wrongdoing eg little children and the righteous

wis3:
Is it possible for something to be formed out of nothing?

Go read Genesis again, this world that we know were created from something and by Someone!

wis3:
Which even begs the more question of, how did God come to be? Everything at some point has some history of how it came to be and we are told God has always been there from the very beginning. It gets more complex the more you try to understand how "God" came to be and we are told not to question these things because they are beyond our imaginations. Or all of it could have been just made up to trap people into thinking there are some things that there aren't.

Do you people never real-eyes that this question is stupid because, no matter what, God decided whether you shall live or die exactly as you decide which phone shall live or die.

And even if you have that information is there any benefit to obtain with it except for your crazy funny plan of carrying out your intention of murdering God! (boy, na so una no set fear. Even I have figured out that, that is why you ask, is it now God you. You people just don't know how greatly stupid you become the more you hate God)

Phone wan study how dey born man so dat e go fit kill man before man kill am.

wis3:
What if you've been been practicing the wrong faith your whole life?

When you were doing a wrong thing, you knew you were doing a wrong thing or it was brought to your attention at different times in your life that you were doing a wrong thing.

So, it is with whatever you practice.

wis3:
What if everything you thought
What if there is no hereafter or judgement day and everything about God, Heavens, Hell and the Devil is a Hoax?

Is there really an a afterlife after death?

Just like aliens, if heaven and hell was a hoax, you would not bother about them.

But you fear death and after living on this earth aka after life, that should tell you something.

Broveens42:
I don't have work

No one asked you here in this thread were you where for "several hours" being unable to respond.

AuthenticKing:
Lol, you're still a perfect cherry picker... When I posted my response up there (my first reply to the OP that got us into this discussion), you cherry picked the ones you can easily attack and enforce your worldview, you did the same to DeusXmachina and probably went to correct it to respond to all his statements (which you still didn't do perfectly) after reading my reply.

Try and get it. When you argue that "Tinubu is not a good option", which is your position, everything you say supporting that statement and position is still you saying Tinubu is not a good option. So I will only respond to your point which is "Tinubu is not a good option". This is not cherry picking.

AuthenticKing:
The reason why you still believe that I'm not responding to you directly is because I'm not using your exact words to respond to you but nevertheless, I'll prove to you that my responses are directed to you not to the popular understanding of faith.

Firstly, if I'm still basing my responses on popular understanding of faith, I wouldn't have even accepted your opinion that faith is thinking, because it's a universal notion that faith is belief that doesn't require thinking.

Even your Bible affirms this in so many places, e.g. when Jesus appeared to the disciples with Thomas being absent. But I kinda bought your opinion but was still trying to make you understand that it's not a rational way of thinking.

Your first response that faith is the analysis and processing of information was fallacious at first without any basis, it was not until you quoted Thomas Fuller that I started to understand you better.

But I'm still trying to let you know that that way of thinking is still irrational and highly grounded in confirmation bias

"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief." What of if you find another data that clearly disproves that your belief? Will you be willing to change your belief and align yourself with reality?

If you review your post, you would see that this is the first time that you are properly challenging me based on my own position of "faith is the analysis and processing of information" and not on the "universal notion that faith is belief that doesn't require thinking"

And your basis of challenge is that is 2 points
1) irrational
2) confirmation bias.

On irrationality.
You do not point out the irrationality present in my position, you only state that irrational ideas is common in beliefs as shown below.

AuthenticKing:
"Do you also know that many beliefs contain so many irrational ideas that can only be made clear when faced with an opposite worldview?"

Then you praise your view of Rationals, which is not relevant because they are not the issue saying.

AuthenticKing:
"Rationals do not give a much sh*t about belief because they're so open minded, they accept that they do not know and if they come with a belief, they don't try to block out every other belief that doesn't align with theirs, they're willing to accept better data that opposes that belief, these set of people are focused on aligning themselves with reality."

So when you look at your posts here, you can see that you did not show any thing that is irrational in my position.

You only stated your own beliefs, which is not the issue, therefore, you are "Off Point!" Which itself has now shown your irrationality of opposing a subject matter, with the use of "Off Point".

On Confirmation bias.
This is an acceptable query because this word is self explanatory, so i can go on.

And the word "confirmation" has said it all. If it is confirmed that a car can take you from Garki to Effurun, can a person still reasonably and validly oppose it?

No!

That is the power of confirmation.

Therefore, if it is confirmed that a car can take you from Garki to Effurun, then you are already biased (which means positional) as you rely on it.

Surely, you would be against a position that says a mattress or wrapper can take you from Garlic to Effurun.

So you see, your query here is not valid for we act and live on confirmed events eg travelling by plane to Oslo, eating in KFC, opening a bank account with a bank.

AuthenticKing:
Mr DTruthSpeaker, I repeat again, these animals' instincts are things hardwired into them by nature, they do not think about these instincts not to talk of making efforts to change them.
Humans have developed the ability to think and not just follow instincts like animals do.

The comparisons you're making are unnecessary.

Repeating just shows you can not answer.

No man went to the market to buy the software called thinking and install it in himself!

And it Is without reasonable doubt that it is natural and instinctual for men to think for thinking has been hardwired into man by Nature, exactly as the animals have

chieveboy:
How manage he became what he was? By appointment? Error? Self-enthronement?

That is the power of being a person endowed with the power of making decisions and carrying out decisions which have effects and consequences.

AuthenticKing:
DTruthSpeaker, you have this great expertise in cherry picking people's statements that suits your worldview and you can easily attack. Lol! That's cool . Since that's how you roll, I'm down for you

A debate is based on the point of the main issue of the debate and statements made in support of or explaining the point presented, still form the issue.

So I always stick to the point you make therefore, I do not cherry pick.

AuthenticKing:
I'm not just reading you under the popular understanding of faith, besides it's not a popular understanding, it is what faith is.

When you say "it is what faith is" then you are not taking me on based on what I have said but what some other people have said, which I do not agree with, which even you do not agree with,

And you are short of saying that I must accept what they have said, because they have said it.

And see, you contradict yourself in saying "besides it is not the popular understanding" yet, you go ahead to state that the same known popular understanding is "what it is"! Is there anything more contradictory than this?

Hence proving the Truth of what I have been saying since, that you have great difficulty finding a flaw my presentation such that you have now swapped my own definition with that of the popular understanding and then you are trying to query me on it, exactly like switching my answer script and questioning me using another person's answer script.

That is not right at all.

I am supposed to be tested based on my answer and not on other people's.

AuthenticKing:
You have successfully redefined it to make it suit your deeply held beliefs and I find that amusing

Paul exercised his right to define it, do I not have a right to also define or redefine it?

AuthenticKing:
. I accept you saying it's thinking (the way you've redefined it) but won't accept you calling it practical (or seeing it as realistic or rational).

Acceptance or Refusal to accept is your right and I do not compell you to accept. I am only stating that in the absence of you not being able to givie a reasonable ground for refusal, your refusal is wrong and unreasonable.

Nevertheless, I respect your right to refuse a thing, even without any reasonable explanation as to why you refuse.

AuthenticKing:
Sir, I know you will cherry pick my statements again but let me again try to elaborate the problem I find with faith (now according to your definition of it), faith(ful) people find a belief, fall in love with it and consistently seek ways to uphold that faith, they source through only material that supports that faith and tries to live life according to what will uphold that faith.

I did not say this at all, it is you who thinks this and now you have told us what you had in mind.

My statement and post is clear and if there is any reasonable question flowing from it, I would answer.

So, you are the one telling us of the matters you have in mind (therefore you are the one giving a presentation) meanwhile it is what I have said and have in mind that you are querying and trying to query, but you are not doing so. You are rather doing your own presentation, which is why I dispose a bulk of your statements.

You are supposed to be questioning me and if you have run out of reasonable questions, then that becomes settled.

And then I can question you on your presentations and thinkings.

That is how a tidy and healthy debate is conducted.

AuthenticKing:
I repeat again, No! Animals do not think, animals use instincts! This instincts enable them to act in a sort of 'automatic' way. These instincts are hardwired into them, it's something that was bestowed unto them by nature.

Humans have outgrown instincts.

When you say "instincts" and "hardwired into them", do you not say that they are naturally ingrated?

Did man go to the market to buy the software called thinking and install it in himself?

Is it not natural and instinctual for man to think?

Broveens42:
Lol.
after several hours of thinking/reflection, this was what you were able to come up with?

Gee, I gat to work

DeusXmachina:
I'm agnostic to a creator, and I don't know if a creator needs be benevolent, and that the evil that exists wouldn't be part of it's desires.

Muslims and Chirstians are the ones who claim they know the attributes of their creator like benevolence and love

Good observation. It is immaterial to a creation whether its Creator is Evil like Ramsey and Joffrey in Game of Thrones or good like Eli Scruggs in Desperate Housewives.

This character is not really relevant.

However, by the acts of our Creator in doing so many things that we consider good, we know that therefore His Character is Good for as we say "action speaks louder than words".

Therefore, His actions have revealed that He is a Good Person!

DeusXmachina:
so it's easy for a non believer to ask if so "why does evil exist?"

And I would have told you that it exists because evil makes good valuable.

And that evil is not evil to its Creator as a sword or car is not evil to its creator.

DeusXmachina:
It's would depend on the extent of the power and what changes comes with it.

You already have that power. Would your car and phone or house (if you allow them speak) or even your wife and children say that you are a good powerful person since you have power over them?

Even now, we know your results and score.

DeusXmachina:
Directly reveal my existence to everyone and make my desires clear.
"State clearly, I'm not your God, I'm just some guy with the powers of a God, worship me or not I don't care.
Avoid killing each other, or causing needless suffering.
Don't kill steal or cheat, because it would make life worse for everyone including you.
Try to lead meaningful lives because this is the only one you get"

After that people of earth are on their own, I'll come back every 1000 years and check up on them to make sure they haven't eradicated themselves. Beyond that I'd be in another part of the universe seeding life, or just chilling.

And in the end you still did the same things God has done or does.

FreeIgboho:
Easy example: eating delicious things will be good for your health!

See, You have already done that. Your creations will be exactly like cars and phones eating fuels and electricity. ,

AuthenticKing:
...YoPeople with faith and belief have a problem accepting a clear contradictory data to their beliefs. They do not accept that there are loopholes to their beliefs, they simply hold unto it or even find ways to cherry pick on available data to convince themselves that they are right....

The problem is that you are still reading me under the popular understanding of what people have been saying and teaching their erroneous and flawed understanding of what faith is, even though I have given a different notion and presentation of what it i now know it is.

And, as you can see you have difficulty finding a flaw with it, which is why you refuse it's acceptance even though you are not able to find anything wrong with it.

As I said, faith is practical

AuthenticKing:
I apologise for using the word 'thinking' in this case . The right word here should be 'tendency'.

You are still saying the same thing while declaring The Truth. The word "tendency" still admits that you still declare that animals still exhibit a similarity of thinking as men do, which is the Truth, hence your confessions of Truth and difficulty in finding the words that would capture what you want to say yet your point shall still be True.

So I respectfully put aside what you were saying because the it is overridden by the Truth which we both know and even you have confessed which is that thinking is an inescapable natural thing which both humans and animals do.

43Ronin:
Don't be stupid in an intellectual discourse. Answer the simple question. How can a spirit being marry a physical being and then have physical offsprings? How do angels have feelings like love if they are not human. Instead of you to run along like a puppy looking for mummy of you don't know the answers, you talking rubbish

See how you show the world that you are stupid!

Iron can stay up in the sky in defiance of The Law of gravity for up to 12 hours and more, if not ask the plane and helicopter.

Iron refuses to sink in water if not ask the ship and submarine.

Obviously, angels can take human forms in defiance of Natural Law.

And you have also stupidly forgotten that humans are a copy from angels, (Genesis 1:26) therefore, the attributes and abilities of love and feeling and pain and pleasure and reproduction comes from them having it.

You obviously must be a 3 year old to still be asking these stupid questions. Go and return that phone to mommy or go back to watching your PJ Mask maybe they will teach you a thing or 2 about transformation.

AuthenticKing:
...Faith is not analysing and processing information, faith is belief, no matter how you want to make it seem practical, faith isn't analysis, it's belief.

Your repetition here clearly shows that this is what you choose to stubbornly hold on to, because to accept it proves to you how wrong and misled you are. Especially as you give no reasonable and valid counter. And rather than give a logical rebuttal, you have only resorted to chanting and repetitions.

Faith is practical. Belief is practical. And I bet you have never heard this statement before.

"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief" Thomas Fuller.

And living is always practical. And before we live on a thing, we first think and analyse that thing!

AuthenticKing:
Again, you're mixing up to unrelated concepts together, you're mixing instinctual thinking with rationality.

See, you could not escape using the word "thinking" even to credit of animals. And thinking is thinking while rationality will always involve thinking. So, you have no valid thing here.

43Ronin:
Bro if you really belive that through Adam & Eve the world was populated then there is nothing to discuss with you.

Haba! How can anyone say this in this 21st century when you have been seeing one man and one woman giving birth to a whole village?

Or how many times have you people said that the poor can breed like flies?

chieveboy:
OGA sir, where did he manage to get the 'deceive' from? How e take reach am?

Did you hear or read in the Bible that Satan was deceived?

43Ronin:
All these stories are nothing but ET experiences with man. "Sons of god" are supposed to be spirit beings with high intellect & splendor. Now if Satan is spirit, why should he have pride like a human? Why should he rebel and want to overthrow God? If those angels are spirits why would they have feelings for the beautiful daughters of men, that they chose to marry them and reproduce with them. Do spirits have dick and sperms? How come the offspring of angels and man resulted to humans with great strength, height and intellect?...

Aha now, don't disgrace yourself. These questions are silly like asking why water is wet and why engines eat oil.

chieveboy:
One question you guys always fail to ask yourselves is:

If Satan was the origin of sin or "evil", who decieved him? ...

Why Na? Does "origin" not refer to the first?

If Satan is the first, then there is no "who deceived him".

Broveens42:
So the Satan in your Bible has only a head with several horns? No neck, body, legs, wings etc?

We see that Satan in the Bible is a shape shifter eg a serpent, a prince, a dragon, a woman, a lion etc.

AuthenticKing:
Wow! What a definition! I don't know where you got that definition from but that's not what faith is.
Faith is trust, faith is belief, faith is not analysing and processing of information, faith and analysis doesn't correlate in any way.

That is what you have been taught which even you, if you said the Truth would admit that the definition and teachings is incomplete and almost sounding unreasonable because of its impracticability in natural living.

I have taken out my own private and practical study of it, by applying it's reasonable applications in natural living, which now gave me the understanding I now possess laying down the basis of my definition.

AuthenticKing:
No, humanism is a rationalistic approach to life that attaches importance to human affairs.

Now you would be wrong because animals eg dogs, lions snakes, monkeys prove that they too have the ability of being rational and attach importance to life affairs.

Without reasonable opposition from you, humanity is simply the things you would find humans doing everywhere and anywhere they are.

Afromentalist:
We (humans) are created and finite being so it does not apply.

I repeat, how can a finite and created location host an infinite and uncreated being?

In other words, how can a bottle of water contain all the water of all the oceans ?

You are confusing yourself with the "finite" and not paying attention to the object.

Finite and infinite beings refers to Persons.

And Houses/Locations are created by Persons with their mortality and immortality being irrelevant. Therefore, finite and infinite has no bearing here

Cubalabloo:
Because it is in their DNA.

Thanks to Mrs Adam who went to have sex with Satan

HarlequinLekex:
There are many stories on social media in which the name of Christ and Prophet Mohammed is been used to perform evil acts.Why?

They are not hiding under religion, people are the ones who created the religion of being evil and doing evil, which is what you see

Afromentalist:
How can a created location contain an uncreated and infinite being ?

Same way our created houses and huts (locations) meet our pleasure of creating locations.

AuthenticKing:
How is thinking faith?

Faith is Thinking. Faith is the analysing and processing of information. And when we analyse and process information, we are thinking!

AuthenticKing:
What is humanism sir?

Simply the things that humans do as a whole.

Epositive:

Is that another way of saying "I don't know"?

Nope! Is the way of saying "I would not tell ya!

Epositive:
Pray tell, where are God's "other houses and location"?

So that you can go there and get it dirty and spoilt as you have spoilt this one eh! I would not tell you!

ExAngel007:
Harrysong has disagreed with the belief that God is in
heaven.

In a post shared on his Instastories this morning, Harrysong
asked people not to just read but "study, think and research.'

He shared the bible verse that stated that God created heaven
and earth and then asked ''How possible is it for you to be in
a location and later create that location?''

Read his post below...

https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2022/8/god-is-not-in-heaven-singer-harrysong.html

His thinking should have told him that Every Person Who Builds a House/Location can always mark that location/House as His Headquarters, even if He has other Houses and Location.