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LordReed:
Not believing your doesn't make one an atheist. Learn to appreciate that people don't believe as you do and can have a variety of theistic beliefs.

jaephoenix:
Remember y'all used to tell us the life of a Christian is rosy and yall would be rewarded with the fruits of the earth here on earth, in fact y'all still saying the same bullshit (example Dtruthspeaker). When we point out that in fact, many Christians are very miserable, you now turn around and tell us, 'actually the reward is in heaven'
The point is, no one has died and reported of any heaven. So ur claim can't be verified

LordReed:
Same with Wilgrea7.

olaolaking:
In reality you have not said anything. You just rant unnecessarily. I want objective discussion. The one that will state facts not the just saying what they like because of baseless thinking

masmnd8:
I want to get there o, i pray to get there.

masmnd8:
No one needs to tell you that you will not go through life without difficulty. But with God, you have encouragement and assurance...

LordReed:
Only because you wrote it, I don't know if what you wrote is actual. If we are accepting your faith based on what you wrote why denying someone else's faith based on what they wrote? Can you not see how hypocritical that is?

Wilgrea7:
Mr Man. When did i ever tell you that my belief involves an intelligent designer

Wilgrea7:
In my thread on questions about a supreme creator God, i said that from observation, whatever the cause of the universe was, seemed to me to be at least conscious, and intelligent, and after some discussions with TenQ, i agreed that it would have to be infinitely powerful.. at least from our perspective.

Other attributes.. like saying it's a single creator, or a personal one.. or even a “being" were things i said i haven't seen evidence for. ..

Wilgrea7:
They've forced the title on me so many times I've gotten tired of telling them I'm not

LordReed:
How does he need to act on his belief?

LordReed:
What act besides writing on NL have you presented to us here about your faith?

olaolaking:
I am a Christian, but I actually think we are the problem. I have issues with many of my friends on this but in reality, they have not been able to convince me with the facts available.

I remember when Islamic Bank was introduced by Lamido. They claimed the nomenclature was wrong and I asked if they were in competition with Muslims since the nomenclature would not affect the functions and those who will benefit from the bank.

Please note that this topic is not about who win the argument. It is about the truth, the facts

Please be sincere in your submission. Give us facts, convince us with proofs


This thread is also not for the immature and myopic once. Please be guided

The issue of Religious Bigotry did not start from the North - George Udom

Let's go back to 1962, when a Northern Muslim, Abubakar Tafawa Balewa registered Nigeria as a member of the World Council of Churches and International Bible Society in 1963, no complain from the Muslim North.

Saturday was a working day in Nigeria until 1973, Gowon, a Christian minority from the North declared it a work free day, to enable the Seventh Day Adventist Church to worship, no complain from the Muslim North.

In February 1979, Olusegun Obasanjo denied Ahmed Deedat, an Islamic Preacher, entry into Nigeria, no complain from the Muslim North.

In 1982 pope John Paul II was welcomed to Nigeria by a Muslim, Alhaji Shehu Shagari.

Reinhart Bonke, a Christian Crusader, had a free enterance to Nigeria at will, no complain.

Abacha welcomed Pope John Paul and established Papal Square along Kubwa express way, no complain from Muslims.

But in 1986 when Babangida registered Nigeria as a member of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) there was a riot in Lagos, Portharcout, Enugu, orchestrated and organised by CAN.

Pls who are the Religious Bigots?

Just recently, the Nigeria Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs distanced itself from all kinds of politics, but what about CAN?

In 2013, a Private Jet belonging to the CAN President was intercepted in South Africa loaded with foreign currency, imagine it belonged to the Sultan?

So people of God, let's ask ourselves who are the real Religious Bigots before make another major mistake as a people...

LordReed:
So even if he when he says he believes there is an intelligent designer, he's still an atheist because he doesn't believe in your brand of god?

LordReed:
Wilgrea7 has repeatedly said he is not an atheist.

TenQ:
if ONE bacteria out of a million decided to commit genocide against other bacteria in the colony: this would be EVIL!

What if LordReed decides to murder hundreds of millions of Bacteria in his toilet, would that be Evil?

greenmaster:
pitiful. Read about the third eye from dark web. Then you will know the truth. These gods are serious. They will roast you

TenQ:
At Humans wicked for disinfecting their toilets thereby killing off hundreds of millions of Innocent bacteria!?

The community of bacteria could hate it all they want. They can protest it all they want : Does it change anything about the Evilness or Goodness of Humans!?

Atheists want to reduce God to the level of man and there is where the problem is. Any god that can be measured is an idol.

Unfortunately, it's is a different case if ONE bacteria out of a million decided to commit genocide against other bacteria in the colony: this would be EVIL!

greenmaster:
shallow mind. You will still die and be burnt as barbecue by your god. If you're not a wizard pls steer clear. You will never understand

TenQ:
The created doesn't realise that he has no say in his being nor his purpose in life. Everything depends on His Creator!

Janosky:
Falsehood speaker,is John3:16 in your bible? God our Father is not Jesus his son. Mumudeen on NL,in your quote of John 14:23,did Jesus talk about creation? No ! Your hatred for Matt19:4,Hebr3:4,
Hebr1:2 & 1Cor8:6 is very luminous.

TenQ:
God Himself is the STANDARD of PERFECTION as everything depends on His PURPOSE!

Wilgrea7:
Is that all, or do you have more insults to throw my way? When you're done insulting me, let me know. Then if you're willing to be logical, and even slightly intellectually honest, then we'll continue from where we stopped.

But until then, feel free to call me all the names you want, and add a million emojis to make yourself feel better. Cheers my man

Janosky:
Mumu post and your stupid hatred for 1Corinthian 8:6 is luminous.
The house you built, please, REMOVE your name and put the name of your employee henceforth.

The other option is delete 1 Corinthians 8:6 from your Bible.
@Matthew 19:4 ,Jesus Christ confirm the authenticity of 1 Corinthians 8:6 , Hebrews 3:4 & Hebrews 1:2.

Wilgrea7:
...This isn't about the rights...
It's about the possibility of the actions a person commits, being right or wrong.

No one is arguing if your God has the right to do so. It's about if his actions can ever be considered wrong. To which you've said no.

And I'm saying if his actions cannot be considered wrong regardless of what they are, then they can't be considered right also

Wilgrea7:
This is my last response to you on this topic, because you've decided to cherrypick arguments, ignore points, as well as make reference to things unrelated to the discussion.

Have a nice day

Wilgrea7:
Thanks. Calling me unreasonable does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Wilgrea7:
I defined strength based on the ability to lift heavy stuff, and gave lifting 100 tonnes as an example. You defined holiness as the absence of impurities and constantly avoided my question to clearly define what the impurities are, and how your god is devoid of them. And I'm the one who's unreasonable?

Wilgrea7:
This thread is about the claim that your god is holy. It literally says that in the title.

Wilgrea7:
What are you saying? Are you not the one that said he is not subject to the laws he created? Then how can his holiness be based on that? If his holiness is based on his actions, and whatever he does, regardless of what he does is considered holy, then how does the word holiness have any meaning in respect to him?

Wilgrea7:
You have constantly dodged questions, and ignored rebuttals to your points, simply to regurgitate the points all over again. And yet I'm the unreasonable one.

Wilgrea7:
You've not. I've been asking you to define holiness, but you've been running round in circles. The farthest you went, was to say holiness was the absence of impurities.

Wilgrea7:
When asked to further define what constitutes uncleanliness, you begin to run round in circles. And yet, I'm the unreasonable one.

Wilgrea7:
If someone can do no wrong, or rather, if the things someone does can never be considered wrong, then how then can they be considered right?

Wilgrea7:
...So let's say for example, the family of computers don't know why you disassembled it. So to them, it would be evil...

In all these situations, I'm not disputing the fact that you ARE the owner of the computer and have the ability to do with it as you desire. What I'm arguing is whether or not your actions, or at least the motive behind them, would qualify you to say if you were a good computer engineer or not.

Wilgrea7:
They're not the same thing. ...

Wilgrea7:
This thread isn't about meaningless arbitrary laws, so i won't dwell on this.

Wilgrea7:
You seemed to have either completely missed my point, or completely ignored it. Kindly read it again and come and respond.

Wilgrea7:
Then he is subject to the definition. If that's the case, then he is subject to the criteria by which he defines Holiness.

Wilgrea7:
Congratulations. So that's how you justify your cherry-picking. Welldone.

Wilgrea7:
1. The whole "As you people do" analogy makes absolutely no sense. What do you mean by "you people"?

Wilgrea7:
2. You're trying to eat your cake and have it. Pick a side. If God is good because of where he put the earth, or how he created it, then his goodness is dependent on his actions in creation.

Wilgrea7:
It cannot be an arbitrary title given for the sake of given titles. If that's the case, his alleged Holiness has to be dependent on well-defined parameters, rather than a name he just gave himself. Pick a side...

AllenforGOD:
irrespective of your words you are slightly despicable.God ALMIGHTY SAID IN EXODUS THAT"I WILL SHOW MERCY ON WHOEVER I WISH TO SHOW MERCY"so you cannot tell God what to do,move not beyond ur limit,for i tell u most certainly GOD'S WRATH IS INEVITABLE BE CAUTIOUS OF YOUR WORDS.........................

AntiChristian:
Na Jesus say those ones?

AllenforGOD:
stop saying nonsentical words, God is merciful,jesus died so we can have salvation,and obtain mercy from God.if u sin or transgress against God he would forgive you benevolently.he is exclusively benevolent not cruel.