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Hermes119:
Not so fast
If you say God does good things, what is the standard for defining Good things in this case
Is it the same standard we use for everyother person ?

What we are trying to get you to appreciate is that the first thing we do when assessing any thing is whether good or evil, is that IT IS ALWAYS BASED ON HOW IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS US.

Which leads to the fact that the standard of assessiment is based on how an action/inaction directly/indirectly affects us.

Which itself would lead to Law via Rights and Liabilities.

Thus, before you can validly and conclusively say that a thing is good or evil, in addition to all other considerations, recourse must be had to The Law! (not man made laws eg constitutions/statutes for the maker of law is always above his law and his law has no power to hold him. which is why men are above manmade laws which is why we easily disobey them. But not so with The Owner of This World's Law aka God which is Natural Law! And no man made Natural Law. It is even rather that Natural Law made man, which is why men do not easily disobey it.
So I am not talking about manmade law BUT ABOUT Natural Law when I say Law!)

And Natural Law is The Maker, Ruler, Judge and King of good and evil.

So, you see, among the Standard of Measurement, course and recourse must be made to The Court of Natural Law, the Determinant and Judge of good and evil

Emmato77:
Does God answer prayers is the questions most people ask, especially when they feel disappointed or delay towards their prayers..../

He has told you the kind of people whose prayers He will Answer and the people whose prayers He will never Answer

imiski:
White man's religion

The phone and car and clothes and spoon and fork and language you speak is all white man's religion.

Dan1cole:
..., then I don't think God has a problem with us putting on Jewelry; neither is it a sin. But as we all know, too much of everything ain't good, so atleast we should put it on in a decent & fitting manner as our bodies are the temple of the Most High God. #GodBless

A sword, woman, sex, jewelry, marriage, money, etc can be good or bad depending on... What God had Said aka The Law!

So the question is what Did God Say?

Isaiah 3:16-26
"Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

Richy4:
OP, I got a harmless question for you based on this thread..

When the king threw the party 180day, we were told that he was drunk and his heart was merry.. hence he called his servants to get his wife to catwalk ( modern way of saying what he wanted the wife to do)
1a..Do you think what he did was right?

1b... If you have a drunk neighbour, who came back one day from a beer parlour with his drunk friends, and calls his wife to come out and walk around for his friends to see her, and the wife refused to do so, do u think the wife did the right thing refusing to do what the husband asked her to do?

2a. We were meant to understand that the virgins including Esther beautified themselves for some months before appearing before the king... Since the king was a drunk and was not religious, what do u think the ladies including Esther went to his chambers to do before they were rejected/ Esther was selected.. I know it was not to pray or speak in tongues.. what do u think?

2b..If a king should do something like that in our time, do u think the churches singing favour up and down will approve or condemn such act..

I will like to know your thoughts on it..

I did not read the op's view but the heading says it's about Esther and Esther is for women, not men.

So you would be wrong to shift from Esther (woman) to the king (man) for the highest blessing a woman can get is to be married and desired by a king, Psalm 45:10- 16.

iamyungkhalifa:
Yea GOD Word is forever and to fully understand GOD words , it takes the holy spirit because if you like read till next year memorise till 2025 You wont still understand because the bible was written with parable from genesis to revelation unless the holy spirit guide u

o what sweet words to hear this morning and I praise The Lord that someone here gets it.

What a great game of codes and puzzles. And the most beautiful part is how the children of evil don't ever get it, no matter how intelligent they are or they think they are.

O How great and Mighty The Lord is And True , His Words!

seunmind44:
Abeg, where is it written that once God calls a man to his Vineyard, his wife automatically is called too and she becomesa Pastor?

Please is Pastoral Calling sexually transmitted?

I am an ordinary lawyer who just wants [b]to understand the ways of ”God’s [/b]Calling” in his vineyard.

Please educate me.

Hey lawyer, Yippee

You sure you want to understand the ways of God?

Thank God you are a lawyer, so look ait would be easy and even enjoyable for you to Look at His Laws!

And this is one of His Laws, God was very very clear on His posture and attitude towards Women not to talk of them working in His Office/Tabernacle. Revelation 2:20.

However, are the churches we see God's Own? No! It belongs to men.

So since it belongs to men, therefore, they have a right to raise up any person whether wife o or house girl or Aunty prosttitute aka slay mama to any position.

It's their house, therefore, they can do as they like!

"He can do no wrong, he who exercises his rights" (bet you never heard this principle of Law before.

Hope you will not run away as others have done!

aylive02:
The topic dey somehow

God was very very clear on Women and His Office/Tabernacle.

However, are the churches we see God's Own? No! It belongs to men.

So since it belongs to men, therefore, they have a right to raise up any person whether wife o or house girl or Aunty prosttitute aka slay mama to any position.

It's their house, therefore, they can do as they like!

Ibomrep:
Is Money the Root of All Evil ?
No. The Bible does not say that money is evil, nor does it identify money as the underlying cause of all bad things. The common expression “money is the root of all evil” is an incomplete and misleading Bible quotation. The Bible actually says that “the love of money is the root of all evil.” ...

I wonder why you did not highlight "the Love of" money! Hmmm, you obviously did not know.

uthlaw:
Lack of money is the Ruth of all Evil!

Not True!

You were already evil even before you had money and you shall still be evil even after you have money.

Truth is The Earth. The land on which you live on.

Truth is Law. (That which is Set aka Cast)

Truth is Nature.

Truth is God!

Truth is The Word of God!

AdventHero:
The truth matters, but WHAT IS TRUTH?

It is not just enough to be curious about the knowledge of your faith; but you should sincerely inquire to know the TRUTH on which your beliefs are rooted. A sincere inquirer of the truth will find the unchanged texts of the scripture as a great resource - Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6); the Word of God is the Truth (John 17:17); the Law of God is the Truth (Psalm 119:142).

You need the knowledge of the truth on the journey of your faith to stand firm in any situation.../

You said the word "sincerely inquired".

Wilgrea7:
That's not how this judging thing works. I wouldn't want you to, i don't know, maybe distort the criteria, or twist it to fit the narrative.

So if you're sure of the criteria, and you're sure your God is innocent/holy based on them, then kindly share them here for all to see. Let the truth about how your God is Holy based on the standards he has set for right and wrong be known to everyone.

You love truth don't you? Then show it to everyone. I'll be waiting.

Twisting or manipulating the criteria is proof of inconsistency. And Truth is a consistent. And God is True and Consistent. And the mere fact that you are aware that the standards could be bent to suit the case is protection enough.

Thus, your testing area is boundless so that you can check for inconsistencies but I would show you that God was/is Unchanging and His Standards, were consistent all through.

So, fire away.

Hermes119:
I do

We all do!

Therefore, we can call God Good because Hie did good things!

Hermes119:
Period.

Do you not call a person who has done something or given you something good, good eh?

Wilgrea7:
Tell me the standard... Let's judge it together

Lay the case where you feel good or evil applies and then I will apply His Standard!

When I apply His standard then you can judge, so lay out a case

Wilgrea7:
This should be fun... Do you mind sharing the standard of good and evil he gave to us so we can determine if he himself is holy or not

Lay out any case where you feel good or evil applies and then I will apply His Standard!

yankeecoder:
Re-read my post, I didn't say what if "God is many", I said what if "There are many gods" and the possibilities that HE could have tricked the other gods into merging powers with HIM thereby weakening them.

It's the same thing. Then you want people to leave real-eyity to start living in imaginations and conjectures?

Haba! That is accident about to happen.

yankeecoder:
Besides, doesn't the Bible say that "HE is a jealous God" ? Who is HE jealous of if others don't actually exists, why does HE forbids man from exploring more about other eternal beings ?

Better question! Love is Jealous!

No reasonable person anywhere would ever accommodate a person or even thing you love to be taken by another.

Wilgrea7:
1. This thread is about the ascribed holiness of your God.. so it's more than enough to discuss the things you want

See it! See turning up and down like earthworm on which salt has been poured on.

You just said this was irrelevant after I answered you,

"There you go again... Picking irrelevant things and trying to make a big deal out of them. I said whether you or your God say it.. it doesn't change the basic rule behind words

And now you have twisted your way back to what you said, was "irrelevant" and we have left behind.

Wilgrea7:
2. Are you now accepting that your God is subject to the standards by which we judge good and bad?

Nope. He is not subject to our standard of good and evil. BUT THE STANDARD OF GOOD AND EVIL HE GAVE TO US!

Wilgrea7:
Touche my man. Outstanding logic right there.

Congratulations

Now you see that you have nothing reasonable to go on with now that I have answered your question laying down His Criteria. And that all you think about God and His Actions are baseless.

Raise a thread about the old testament where you think God did evil, and I would show you that He Did The Good in each and every scenerio proving that Holiness means Good, no evil.

Wilgrea7:
There you go again... Picking irrelevant things and trying to make a big deal out of them. I said whether you or your God say it.. it doesn't change the basic rule behind words..

From the beginning you made it relevant until now I have bursted it up. So I move on to the other issues.

And now you're looking for a flimsy excuse to abandon the argument.

Wilgrea7:
What then is the criteria? If you know, I'd be happy to hear it.

If the criteria is not well-defined, then the word loses it's meaning

You know them already He does only the Good! Intolerant of evil deeds.

Wilgrea7:
Explaining the same thing over and over again is beginning to tire me.

Whether you give your God the title or he gives himself does not change the basic fact.

This is a change of post and evasion. First you accused us of giving God the Title "Holy".

Now I have answered, you have abandoned this position and changed your mouth! So this point is gone.

Wilgrea7:
Titles like Holy can only get their meaning in relation to something. If your God calls himself holy, that means he is the one subjecting himself to a criteria by which the word can be defined. If there is no criteria, then the word has no meaning.

The criteria is His Criteria! And not you and I because He is The One who set the word and condition of what Holy is!

So, you can have your own, my own, our own criteria, but it is completely immaterial and irrelevant.

That is why we say when we judge that "we would tie you with your own rope".

So, Access Him by His standards and not your own!

Wilgrea7:
If you want me to judge your God based on the criteria by which we determine good and evil, then you have a lot of explaining to do when we get to the old testament

That is the best part. Open a thread and see if you would have any reasonable and valid ground to stand on good and evil.

superCleanworks:
boring. you are just saying all that your mummy and daddy told you. sounds like sunday school gibberish. so boring

You don't have any thing to say but what your Satan mummy and Satan told you to say.

superCleanworks:
boring

Translation! You have nothing valid to say. Satan

Wilgrea7:
If your God is greater than the rules he created, and cannot be subject to them, then why do you insist on giving him titles based on the very rules he is not subject to?

I told you since the beginning of this thread IT IS NOT US (MAN) WHO GAVE HIM WHAT YOU CALL A TITLE. (UNA CAN SUFFER PARTIAL DEAFNESS)

IT IS HE HIMSELF WHO TOLD US AND SHOWED US.

Wilgrea7:
If God is above the criteria by which we determine what good and bad is, then why call him either good or bad, if he is not subject to the criteria that defines them?

Do you call a person who gives you free and good accommodation/housing, free good food and good counsel, bad?

Is it not normal and natural that we call such persons good? (Gosh atheism definitely screws up people's assessment of good and Evil)

superCleanworks:
just watch how they will come to attack you and say the devil is speaking through you for daring to think different.
then next, they will start to tell you about HEBREWS and CORINTHIANS.
finally, they will threaten you will HELL FIRE.

This is definitely Satan at work!

First you guys tried "God does not exist" it failed!

Now you have changed ground to say "that there is God but is it not possible that He could be many?"

If He was many then no one should be saying Supreme God but Gods.

And who else but Satan's children would wish there was more than one God?

Is it not because you guys know that you are already guilty going by God's Laws therefore you god shopping, maybe another god may be able to protect you from Him?

yankeecoder:
Have you ever wondered how HE, the one supreme God most religions worship today got all his powers ? What if there were many other gods even before the existence of time whom HE tricked to merge "some" of their powers with him for the purpose of creation thereby weakening them just so, he may have it all ? I presume this to have happened before the creation of man and the earth we live in

NB: I believe there are higher powers but I refuse to believe, only one exists

Is there any one compelling you to believe?

That aside, by the Law of Power and Rule only One can be the greatest else there must be a war to determine who rules.

Wilgrea7:
I think in this case, they're trying to eat their cake and have it. They want a God who isn't subject to rules, but at the same time, can have titles based on the same rule it is not subject to.

It just can't happen.

That is one of the many things you do not get. Creators and LawMakers cannot be subjects to the rules they make for and over their creations,. They are always greater than the rules eg you don't need to drink petrol and have tires before you move just like your car.

Hermes119:
Let me use this analogy

With respect to height,we could come to a consensus that anyone below 170cm is short and between 170cm to 180cm is average while those above 180cm are tall. Now the parameter for classifying a person as short, average and tall is clear
Scenario 1 So you can say that God is tall because he is 185cm (above 180cm)

Scenario 2 But if you claim that God is tall regardless of his height then that means that there is no parameter to determine his height because whether he is...

190cm,177cm,150cm,
So in like manner
If you say that God is good because there is an established definition of Good and evil and his actions always concur with the definition of good,then it's similar to scenario 1

If you equally say that whatever God does is good without reference to a parameter to measure good or evil then you can't determine what Good or evil is with respect to God,just like the instance in scenario 2, hence the term "Good", "evil" becomes arbitrary or meaningless with respect to God, but you can use it with humans defining Good as "acting according to God's will" and bad as the reverse

I don't know how simpler to break this down.

You tried in your breakdown and I like the fact that you appreciate some of the issues we have presented which is

1) Measurement of things is being carried out by us. And I only add "AND FOR OUR WELLFARE OR SICK/DEATHFARE..

So what we are trying to tell you is that all these measurements are carried out because of HOW THEY AFFECT US IN A PROFITABLY AND WHAT WE CALL GOODLY WAY OR ADVERSELY AND WHAT WE CALL A BAD WAY.

Thus, all those things which do not affect us, we discard for being irrelevant exactly as you saying your are Hermes119, wilgrea7, NOT ONE OF US HAS QUESTIONED THE VALIDITY OF IT, NOT EVEN YOU PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO QUESTION EVERYTHING!

WHY?

BECAUSE,
1) IT IS NOT RELEVANT
2) THE LAW AND POWER ON GROUND SHOWS THAT EVERYTHING IS BOUND TO SAY THE TRUTH, THEREFORE, THERE IS A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT A PERSON SPEAKS THE TRUTH UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE!

THEREFORE, JUST AS YOU SAY YOU ARE HERMES119 AND WILGREA7 AND EVERY ONE GIVES YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU SPOKEN THE TRUTH, GOD TOO IS ENTITLED TO RECEIVE PRESUMPTION THAT HE IS, HOLY AS HE SAYS AND EVEN SHOWN HE IS!

Just like you, the only parameter is;

1) does His representation affect you such that you suffered a loss or obtained a gain from it.?

Or in another view you suffered a gain and obtained a loss from it?

hopefulLandlord:
That's not exclusive to you though. Muslims, traditional god's worshippers, atheists etc have had unexpected and borderline unexplainable fortunate happenings occur at some points in their lives.

The unexplained good fortune is God not allowing people to be completely be void of good things as they would surely die faster!

Wilgrea7:
Life is hard, regardless of whether or not a person believes in a God/Gods. ...

But it is every bit as hard, regardless of what you believe.

You ain't seen me and in I am in this same shitty kwantree and life's LG (Life's Good and Sweet and I am living my dreams) because I found The Lord!.

And funny how you people do not see that you are all struggling under God's Curse.

olaolaking:
You are still ranting. I want you to quote, make reference/s, mention event, occurrences and facts.

You keep on saying "we all know" "we all know"

I have not come to say people should agree with me. I only want brilliance, meaningful discussions not this type you are offering.

No intelligence in your comment so far

We are already living in the horriblleness of the bigotry and no discussion here would bring it to an end.