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Wilgrea7:
I simply said it was an intellectually honest thing to say that your view COULD be true...

It is the only standing Truth as 1 x 1 = 1 and not 11 or any other contortion you may create.

Wilgrea7:
Unlike other people, I'm not closing myself off to the possibility that my opponent could be right. But I'm not accepting it either, until I see proof.

You have already seen the proof and accepted that "it could be True", yet you say "until I see proof". Do you see now that plenty is wrong with you and that you are way below normal?

Wilgrea7:
For someone to be anti-blue, in the case of the sky, they need to say that the sky CANNOT BE BLUE.

That is not the only thing you can say to become anti-blue there are many others and if you were normal you would have known them.

Wilgrea7:
Wrong analogy. We're not discussing mathematics here. We're discussing about the nature of something we cannot see, and cannot verify.

Not wrong but right. We are laying down Solid irrefutable Truth Truth which I have shown you and now you have seen. 1 x 1 = 1

But you want it to be 1 x 1 = 11 or some other answer as you can concoct. That is the analogy and I know you got it but you just do not want to accept it, as is your right..

Wilgrea7:
If I prove to you that the sky is blue, rather than red, would you say I am anti-sky?

Nope! Not "anti-sky" but anti-red. While anyone who says the sky is red is and will be "anti-blue".

That is how it works. Now I am convinced that you really have serious understanding and comprehension issues.

Lukuluku69:
Go back to that thread about the Prodigal son that came back home...

Mumuni, go and take olodomycin to reduce your mumuness. Rather than mention me on that you are instead followinge and trailing me like mad stalker to this thread!

Now, you have added mumu stalker to your name.

cutecommend:
Keep your virginity. Virgins are special people. You marry ad a virgin, it is better than marrying as non-virgin

I am blessed.

You too are supposed to be a virgin too for God to come, else, E NO GO WORK!

judedwriter:
You remind me of the late Diego maradona...

The guy was an expert at dribbling, so are you with your writing!!

Same as Satan and snakes, which always happens when they can not give Truthfull backup to their statements.

Lending credence to what God promised saying

Exodus 23:7
“Keep thee far from a false matter; ...: for I will not justify the wicked.”

Wilgrea7:
I missed the part where my points were extinguished by your answer. If I'm remembering correctly, the last argument hinged on law.

And when you hear Law, then you know that you have landed on creations.

Wilgrea7:
2 things. First of all, I'm not "attacking" any proof. Any sort of evidence should be subject to scrutiny.

And when you counter after your scrutiny, you attack.

Wilgrea7:
If you read through my replies, you'll see where I said several times, that your concepts or arguments could be right,

1 x 1 is 1, which is right. No "could be right" just "right". Any other answer other than 1, eg you saying 1 x 1 is 11 will not stand.

But you can say so that it is 11 and there is absolutely nothing I can do if you refuse to accept that 1 is the only Right answer.

Wilgrea7:
How is presenting alternative concepts of a creator being anti-god? ...

That is the import of your statement "This is a debate to prove WHY a certain concept of a god is more logically possible, than another one."

In which you spell God with small letter "g" exactly as one who hates or has no regard for God would do!

solofresh:
Don't be decieved.This things only exist on Earth.When you die,it ends there.
You were not in existence before you where born and you will never be in existence when you die.

When the car, phone etc was not yet made, they were not in existence. But as soon as they are created, there living and de-existence is as determined by their creator.

And as you see, all the things that man has brought to existence remain in existence as long as man is interested in keeping them in existence.

Just as they could not bring themselves to existence, they can not de-exist themselves, so you are talking complete rubbish!

MaxInDHouse:
Think about how many soldiers Putin is sending to Ukraine and how many have died then come back and tell me if you believe that a ruler is sending people to go and die or not!

You obviously do not have a Bible else you would have known that Ahab, Saul, Pharaoh did it.

HazardAwka:
[b]1 KINGS 1 : 9 - 15
...And the third captain of fifty went up and
came and fell on his knees before Elijah and
entreated him, “O man of God, please let my life,
and the life of these fifty servants of yours, be
precious in your sight. Behold, fire came down from
heaven and consumed the two former captains of
fifty men with their fifties, but now let my life be
precious in your sight.” Then the angel of the
Lord said to Elijah, “Go down with him; do not be
afraid of him.” So he arose and went down with him
to the king.[/font]

Did this really happen , I find it hard to believe, just read it carefully, fire coming down from heaven killed 51 people and the king sent another 51 persons, they too were burnt to death and the King sent another 51 persons ?
At the end the Angel told him to not be afraid, follow him now

Did you not see that the 3rd Captain was a wise polite man?

Is like the office of common sense has been closed for a long time!

KnownUnknown:
What?

What is what?

Is there ground or walls in space or air, water, food etc?

Wilgrea7:
So then, is it not also [b]possible[/b]for a God, to have created humans, without the God itself having human attributes like envy, greed and hatred?

O boy, it goes without saying!

Wilgrea7:
The 4 examples I gave were speculation?? Literally 3 of them are things we HAVE observed.

Not the examples but the point you tried to raise using those examples, which was extinguished by my answer.

Wilgrea7:
What laws were you talking about then?

Just Law as it is. Both man and iPhone are under Law and have Law over them.

Wilgrea7:
How is it doublespeak? I am, and have been repeatedly saying that this discussion is not about whether or not a God exists...

You can not say that you are not trying to disprove God's existence when when you attack the proof of it on one hand.

You can not say that you not trying to prove when you give proof of disprove on the other hand.

And you can cannot say that you are not being Anti-God when you say

"This is a debate to prove WHY a certain concept of a god is more logically possible, than another one."

KnownUnknown:
Well, I and most people live in man made structures known as houses, which are meant to protect people from the elements, different critters in the environment, and people that may mean to do them harm....

Same as this one protects us from being ground-none and airless in floating around cold dark space.

budaatum:
I am not here to counter you DT. Others are doing a very fine and capable job countering you already.

Even when no one counters change of post master general, the Snake!

Lukuluku69:
Typewriter, you type like a retard. Like I said earlier, step back, go thru what you are about to click submit on!

Just read what others are saying on your responses to posts or comprehension is an issue for you also?

He-goat definitely can't read else you would have seen that no one said any valid thing against me and that even your Muslim double spoke a slight less stupid than you

Prozico22:
different age 22 and 42

That is the power of reports.

Prozico22:
2nd king chapter 8:26
2nd chronicles 22:2
same person different years

Simply 2 reports of the same person which proves the person and what happened to him.

cutecommend:
We have many Christian sisters and Christian brothers who are not virgins, some are awesome people. You might even see a decent-looking and committed Christian sister, and when you confirm, she is not a virgin. Should virginity still be preached or should we just go by love and move on?

Again, does not being a virgin have side effect in marriage?

Yes! God blesses the couple and He dwells with them..

But if you are evil, even if you are a virgin, NOTHING FOR YOU!

Actually, NO BLESSING FOR YOU.

Lukuluku69:
And The Typewriter replies!

Your dumbness, does it come from birth or learnt?

Step back and read what you usually type before you hit the submit button for your Christ sake.

It is known that you are not able to read and understand like Queens Primer English to a he-goat, which is why you a Mowrun. So stop trying to read he-goat.

Wilgrea7:
I'm not trying to troll or anything. I sincerely, don't see how this answers my question. You just said I have the right to make a pencil to be different from me. So i'm saying, based on that analogy, doesn't a god have a right to make humans different from it?

You are really messed up if you are not able to comprehend my answer because it is beyond dispute that we have exercised our right to create pencils and we do not look like them, so this re-questioning is crazy.

Wilgrea7:
The answer is clearly no. Then, you jump to the conclusion that a god exists. I simply put forth an argument that if a thing is created, it can be done so by multiple people, and not just 1 person.

And in the end your argument was based on speculation and imagination and conjectures not on any real natural living condition.

Wilgrea7:
You made reference to moral laws,..

It is you who did, I did not. I said "Law". Which is where Contract stays under, hence you are talking about creations.

quote author=Wilgrea7 post=115033154]I am simply showing that the reason for our existence, if approached logically, can happen through a number of ways, and that it doesn't NECESSARILY have to be the way monotheists like Christians believe.[/quote]Which you did not show. I did all the showing while you queried until you either ran out of valid questions or changed post to other issues.

Wilgrea7:
I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE, OR DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD...

I'm not denying, or affirming the existence of a god/gods.

And this is what is called "Double Speak". Approbating and Reprobating. Speaking from all sides of your mouth and none at all!

You can not be cutting grass in the farm and swimming at the same time which is why you are messed up.

Fix yourself!

KnownUnknown:
I still don’t have clarity. I’ll ask one question at a time.

What is “this house that we call world”?

You asked 2 questions, I answered one, so here is the my response to the second one.

"this house that we call world” - is this place that we live in not a house? Are we drifting outside in space?

KnownUnknown:
What do you mean by “this House which we call world”?

Does this beginning refer to a specific date?

Whatever period of time when this house we call world was built/created and we were the tenants put in it for free. No rent payment or purchase payments made.

budaatum:
To be honest I willfully excluded you when I began this thread, you'd find if you read the opening post.

Please continue posting what you think.
It helps us all grow.

See Anaconda, always slithering to other positions (change of posts) when unable to counter.

Yes I know, which is why I also made a separation in my response.

Draslo:
Damn! Something is wrong with you bro

Proof that you do not know what it means to be A Creator neither do you believe in it.

Draslo:
So God needs validation from 'Satan'? Wow!

See how filthy you are? Where in my answer did I say or suggest "need validation"?

Did I not just express what naturally happens at the end of a contest when a contestant loses? You just had to show the snake you are.

budaatum:
So, metaphorically speaking do you or do you not know your maker DT?

And you wilfully excluded the remaining portion of my statement which said "better than the Maker (Potter) himself."!

Draslo:
I hope you're being sarcastic

Nope!

When you lose fairly and justly to a person better than you, even if you said nothing, have you not given him the respect that he won and that he is the Winner?

Draslo:
This is exactly part of the reason I threw out religion in my own life. I believe in a Creator. This universe is too vast and complex to assume it happened by chance. That said, religions have bastardized the Creator to suit their selfish interests. I was in junior secondary when I knew something was wrong with this Job story. Christianity teaches that God rewards the just and doesn't pave way for evil but Job's family was wiped out because of a bet just like the OP put it...

If you believe in Creator then you would have known that that the wiping out of the Creators toys is not a problem for the Creator for He can also bring them back or remake them as the story showed and proved that Job even got double of all that he lost.

Exactly you are already wasting your time destroying iPhones as long Steve Jobs is interested in keeping it alive. So even if you destroy a million, he can replace them or remake them.

So, you are wrong.

To Save those who want to Live.

Mide1data:
So does this mean it's good to place bet? Just ordinary bet since despite God won, satan didn't give him anything.

Pastors' in the house, over to ya.

Lalasticlala.
Mynd44.
Seun.

You already know the Truth!

Ditto: Satan did give God something, R.E.S.P.E.C.T and A BOWING DOWN instead of a gloating if Job had lost.

budaatum:
My apologies. I thought you were a pot telling me about your potter but here you are telling me you cannot know your potter.

I think every reasonable person might tell me a pot is not a person but I guess I need to wait till i find a reasonable pot.

And every reasonable person would have told you that my post was the figure of speech called Metaphor coated with Simile but as usual, you must always be a devil and a coiling snake.

Wilgrea7:
You haven't answered my question. I asked... If it is possible, like we've seen, for a human to not look like a pencil, then isn't it possible, for a god, to not have the bad attributes assigned to humans, like envy, greed, jealousy, hatred, and so on?

I have answered the question by showing you that it is unreasonable and invalid.

Because like you, you have a right to make the pencil different from you and giving it many things plus creating other things which can affect the continuity or discontinuuity of it eg sharpener, eraser, pencil shredder etc..

Wilgrea7:
You seem to lean towards the position that a god, if it exists, MUST have these attributes that would lead to conflict in the presence of other gods.

Reargument! I have already concluded showing and proving how God Truly Exists and you could not give any reasonable rebuttal nor counter to it.

Secondly, I have already conclusively shown and proven how it is impossible for 2 Powers to rule over a subject that can be lawbreaking and you had no reasonable rebuttal either.

So this is you showing that in spite of the evidence given in proof of this matter which as you said, you find no fault in them, choosing to refuse to believe and accept the Existence of God, as I had told you since the beginning, in accordance with your wish and powers (rights).

And this is in addition to your contrary double position of "God does not exist /more than one God", which is incompatible with each other for it should be that it is either God does not exist or that God exist but He is not One, A-Lone.

The 2 positions can not exist side by side. One cancels the other. Therefore, you are not within reasonable limits as I told you earlier that anti-God people are not reasonable.

Thus, this debate shows that you have no reasonable reason for refusing to accept the existence of God other than the obvious mere exercise of your right to refuse to accept God, even in the light of Proof!

Which itself proves that you have already rejected Him in the first instance, as I told you at the first, therefore this whole debate was a nullity as I said in the beginning save at least now you are a witness that in Truth you have seen for yourself that there are many irrefutable reasonable grounds to substantiate that God is Real and He does exist.

Thus, my case is done!

PointZerom:
The two cases are not the same.
Saul worked contrary to God's order and didn't feel remorse about it till God's wrath was activated but Solomon realised his mistakes and have a change of heart....

Not true! They are the same. They both disobeyed, disregarded and rejected God.

And Ecclesiastes clearly shows how Solomon was in torment, despair and regrets and he just manages to leave a note of warning to us.