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NNTR:
Genesis 1:3-5, 8, 12-13
The thing, is due to arrogance, you fail, to understand that Jesus with Matthew 12:39-40, specifically and explicitly made mentioned reference to prophet Jonah in Jonah 1:17 and hinted with it something about a sign. Now the question, is. What precisely is the sign, Jesus pinpointed to, in Matthew 12:39-40 and Jonah 1:17?

I'll help you along with your blind side, by using Genesis 1:5, 8,13, to show you how God right from the beginning, mathematically has 3 days and 3 nights, to make 3 days.

Genesis 1:3-5, 8, 12-13, shows how many days and nights, are required, to give a third day. So in effect if Jesus raised on the third day, it means he spent 3 nights and 3 days in the grave (i.e. [(12+12)+(12+12)+(12+12)] = 72 hours)

Jesus, kindly enough, in John 11:9, has let us know that there are twelve hours of daylight

All this is you attempting to prove your own case and I did not ask you to. So you are doing a nullity.

NNTR:

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Please show, using scripture (i.e. the bible verse(s)) how God, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, counted three nights and three days and equated to be 3 days...

Why repeat yourself? I clearly showed you that Mathew 12 stands while Mathew 16:21 and other scriptures from Hosea to Luke to Mark, all support 1 Corinthians 15:4 and Mathew 16:21.

And you could not counter this, so, there is no thing here.

Ever8090:
I didn't said you have wrong me, but saying one should never fall is where I don't get... because when we sin, "we fall" pleading for forgiveness means " rising again"

Meanwhile God Wants a person that does not sin a person who does not fall.

And that is why He is close to those who do not sin while He does not listen to sinners.

You have been doing sin and forgiveness for long and yet He is not near you, try sin-none-ness and see whether you would not see the wonder of His being near you.

tctrills:
I agreed with you with Genesis 1 but you seem to have an issue with simple maths. Why calculate from Thursday. Christ did not die on Thursday

Friday starts from Thursday.

tctrills:
You quoted Genesis 1

For you to see how God measures and counts a day.

lucianotawinji:
Now I am certain you are a religious fanatic. No different from brain washed Moslem. You stay and decide who to correct, and straighten.

Internet and phone can be so abused.
I suppose you are Christian. You disgrace your God my friend.
You suppose to represent him? You came to defend his existence, yet You prove him dead.

See, more disconnected and disjointed post. You are truly mad! No wonder people are not bothering to comment

NNTR:
Matthew 12:39-40
39Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jonah 1:17
Now the LORD had appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah spent three days and three nights in the belly of the fish

Matthew 12:40 doesnt stand alone, as, it has a precedent and corroborating witness in the verse of Jonah 1:17

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Your research shows it stands alone on saying Christ rose after 3 days and nights", where others say "on the 3rd day".

Jonah does not count it is only a case in reference and not a declaration.

delkuf:
Because they don't fear God. If you love and fear God, you will judge righteously, be it your love ones or not

Precisely!

NNTR:
1. Where are the 3 nights then?
2. Show the 3 days and 3 nights please (i.e. how it agrees with Matthew 12:39-40)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Mathew 12 stands alone. Hosea, Luke, Mark, Acts support 1 Corinthians 15:4

NNTR:
Please compare 1 Corinthians 15:4 with Matthew 12:39-40, and use both verses, to list all the days, that Jesus, before resurrection, was in the grave for...

Mathew 16:21 and other scriptures from Hosea to Luke to Mark, all support 1 Corinthians 15:4

So Mathew 12 stands alone.

NNTR:
Please with bible references share how God counts His Day and relate it with the 3 days and 3 nights that Jesus was in the grave before resurrection

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

That was my very first response

tctrills:
Why do we keep saying that Christ was in the grave for 3 days? Friday evening to Sunday morning is actually less than 2 days.
How come we keep getting this wrong.
If I travel on Friday and return on Sunday, did I travel for 2 days or 3 days?

I thought I told you before. Genesis 1
and other scripture shows you that God starts counting a day from the evening to the morning and not morning and evening as the world has taught everyone to count.

So Friday starts from Thursday evening to Friday afternoon. (Day 1) Saturday starts Friday evening to Saturday afternoon (Day 2) and Sunday starts Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon (Day 3)

NNTR:
You see the pattern in Genesis 1:5, 8 above. Yeah? (i.e. that, always, evening before morning, makes a day)
Are you not able to mathematically show how 3 days and 3 nights were reached?

And I have given the computation of a day using the evening and the morning view which shows that 1 Corinthians 15:4 which says He rose up on the 3rd Day is accurate.

tctrills:
what are you saying? He died 3pm on Friday. At least, you know how to count.
3pm Friday evening to Saturday morning is one day. Saturday evening to Sunday morning is the next day.

That is not how God counts His Day!

Ever8090:
are you without sin?

You would not know but for asking this question, it is proof that I have done you no wrong.

NNTR:
Starting backwards, from the first day of the week, as quoted in Mathew 28:1, that Jesus rose after the Sabbath, give details how the 72 hours of being dead, were reached...

That is not my problem at all.

NNTR:
Of course, Jesus rose after the Sabbath, precisely on the first day after the Sabbath (i.e. which is the weekly and regular Sabbath) and the first day of the week, as per Mathew 28:1, but you havent answered the question nah.

Starting backwards, from the first day of the week, as quoted in Mathew 28:1, that Jesus rose after the Sabbath, give details how the 72 hours of being dead, were reached....

It is you who is introducing and computing "72 hours" . That is not my case.

NNTR:
Now please tell me, which Sabbath, are we talking off here, that will give exactly 72 hours to when Jesus resurrected from being dead?

Jesus rose after the Sabbath. Precisely on the first day after the Sabbath and the first day of the week. Mathew 28:1

CaptainFM1:
Hmm hmmm....does that not sounds like people calling themselves?

True! It's sounds that way but first, it is not as they think and have planned which is where all of them will be disappointed as The Lord shall reject them.

tctrills:
The evening and the Morning make a day.
Friday evening to Saturday morning - Day one
Saturday evening to Sunday morning, Day 2

"Friday evening" is Saturday. So you have thrown away the day He died which is Friday. "Friday afternoon"

NNTR:

Smh cant believe, you say that Jesus had the Last Supper on Sunday

You are just making me repeat myself. When is the 1st Day of the feast of Unleavened Bread according to Matthew 26:17?

How long is this feast?

When does it end?

If it ends on a Sabbath, how can 7 days run from maybe a Wednesday to end on the Saturday?

Can 7days from Wednesday end on Saturday?

tctrills:
Even counting the bible way gives you 2 days, not 3.

That is why 1 Corinthians 15:4 clearly said "He Rose up on the 3rd Day.

NNTR:
Genesis 1:5
'And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.'

People sheepishly believe what the Church establishment said, and hadnt 2 Timothy 2:15 method, even Berean style, search nor read the scriptures properly to understand how Jewish day and night begins.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Daniel 7:25 shows us that the-evilshave changed the times and Laws therefore people are deceived.

tctrills:
I am not ready to bite you, sir. The bible never says 1 and half days magically became 3 days. I guess it's all in your head.

The Bible clearly shows us it counted the 3 Days and you are supposed to count by it it's way.

tctrills:
What are you even saying. Someone died at 3 pm on Friday and you don't know how to count?

Bite me all you want, the Bible clearly shows how a day is Computed by God. So your count is shit.

tctrills:
He died on Friday afternoon and woke on Sunday morning, That's actually one and half days.

The Bible has already shown how it should be counted so you have nothing to say

NNTR:
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thurs-3-days-chart.jpg

John 19:31
It was the day of preparation, and the Jewish leaders didn’t want the bodies hanging there the next day, which was the Sabbath
(and a very special Sabbath, because it was Passover week).
So they asked Pilate to hasten their deaths by ordering that their legs be broken. Then their bodies could be taken down.

It is because Jesus was hanged on the cross by 9:00am on Thursday, died by 3:00pm same Thursday day and was buried, again, on same Thursday day before sundown. Another biblical fact worth noting is that the Jewish day begins and ends at sundown, as in, sundown, is the time in the evening when the sun disappears or daylight fades.

Going on the authority of John 19:31 above, the biblical fact, reveals that the Last Supper occurred on Wednesday, never a Thursday, and so clearly shows that Jesus Christ, in fact, was crucified on Thursday, and never a Friday.

Here's how it looks:
1. Thursday day to Thursday night:
Jesus was on the cross by 9:00am, died by 3:00pm and off the cross before sundown so 1 day and 1 night
The Jewish day starts at sundown or nightfall of the previous evening, and continues throughout the night and following day, until the next night.
2. Friday morning to Friday night day:
1 day and 1 night
3. Saturday morning to Saturday night:
1 day and 1 night (i.e. Jesus rosed before sunrise)
4. Sunday morning:
Resurrection morning

cc Dtruthspeaker
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Last Supper took place on the first day of the week which is Sunday "1st day of the feast of unleavened bread" Mathew 26:17

And the feast runs for a week Exodus 13:7 (Another Example of Jesus Christ obeying and keeping The Commandments yet people are teaching people that The Commandment is abolished)

So, You did not compute His Unlawful Arrest, His pre-Trial, His travel time for trial between high priest and Pilate back to priest then His torture from the soldiers before being led to His Murder.

tctrills:
Sorry to say, but this doesn't make sense.
Even If Friday begins on Thursday evening. Jesus rose on Sunday morn. So from your calculation, that would be still Saturday. L
Matthew 28.1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Is Sunday not the first day of the week?

Is Friday evening to Saturday afternoon not the Sabbath day?

And it is written, He Rose on the 3rd Day and not on the 4th day.
1 Corinthians 15:4

lucianotawinji:
All this insult , just because someone posted what you don't agree with.

Wrong! I disagree with some threads here and i understand their errors and I always come to show them that they are wrong. Which is what I have done with you.

And the first part of your errors is always invalid arguments via making invalid and unreasonable connections eg like you said "
God is the greatest dictator if you accept the fiction that he created the world and also created mankind.

Then there is no question of sin or virtue, no question of sinners and saints."

That is a Stupid connection to make like saying "Buhari is a dictator then therefore, no one should be imprisoned or praised".

Only a madman thinks and speaks this way , and you will look stupid telling everyone to think like you.

That is what I am bringing to your attention!

tctrills:
Why do we keep saying that Christ was in the grave for 3 days? Friday evening to Sunday morning is actually less than 2 days.
How come we keep getting this wrong.
If I travel on Friday and return on Sunday, did I travel for 2 days or 3 days?

I thought I told you before. Genesis 1
and other scripture shows you that God starts counting a day from the evening to the morning and not morning and evening as the world has taught everyone to count.

So Friday starts from Thursday evening to Friday afternoon. (Day 1) Saturday starts Friday evening to Saturday afternoon (Day 2) and Sunday starts Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon (Day 3)

LordShiva97:
Here's a question I'm asking in good faith to believers, how do you differentiate between the word of God and the word of man? ...

Simple! Man's teachings are always based on man's wishes and desires and wants tailored to cover his guiltiness while raising high his hopefulness.

But God's Words is Very Very Sharp and Very Painfull and it does not care whether you would be happy to receive it or not. Usually, it annoys people so very much that they do not want to hear Him Speak Again.

So, that is one very big sign.

The others are
Man's word always follow the direction of the things man likes eg promise of riches, sinning without punishment, etc. With plenty of advertisement.

But God's Word follows the things men do not like eg do not be greedy, do not sleep with anyone's wife or daughter, do not do any wicked thing etc.

lucianotawinji:
You see people as you are not as they are.

You show who you are and fools never fail to advertise their foolishness!

And the funny thing is that you don't see that you are one.

Remove your tree of foolishness then maybe your thinkings would be good and accurate.

Obaman12:
These your words above connect with my spirit man, the exact words one would need to know that he's heading towards the right direction. So thank you for that...And by the way, I fall in the same circle with the OP. Mine is that, before I was been told by two prophets, I personally have always wanted to work for God. I believe that my success in life is tied to my service to God in his vineyard. If I'm to join, I want to do that on a part time level, so as to be able to work and provide for my family. I don't want to depend on anybody, but rather be the one people fall to for help, even as a pastor.

Okay, but my response is very much loaded and your desire for riches and alll is not letting you see God's Plan.

What you are thinking is not what God has in mind for you.