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NNTR:
Your truculent posture is preventing you from accepting the facts, that the travellers' had an Abuja or Kaduna destination to start with in mind or planned, but as destiny will have it, Satan/kidnappers too have an alternative destination in their mind for the travellers, which interfered with the travellers original destination....

That is why I said you think that you are the only one with a destination in mind for your life. I am saying others have theirs for your life. And all these are destinations.

helinues:

You people are my favourite toy!

helinues:
Mad Kwa, for telling the truth?

Mad, for getting mad!

AntiChristian:
How do people live in sin and wickedness?

Must people come to Christ to be saved?
Did Jesus tell people to come to him to be saved?

I am still looking for where Jesus said Matthew 'accept me as your Lord and savior to be saved..."

I showed you the other day and in the other thread so, now you can return to your land. No one called you to take The Lord.

helinues:
The first duty of a believer is stonstop making use of his/her brain as it not needed

That is you people which is why after a while you people go mad!

NNTR:
This is you being truculent for the sake of it

Quick questions.
Did they arrive at their Abuja or Kaduna destination?
Have you considered that, perhaps, destiny prevented them from arriving at their Abuja or Kaduna destination then?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

As I said you confuse yourself and now you are about to be over confused for you thought that you were the only one with a destination Abuja in mind.

Satan/Kidnappers also show that they too have a destination in mind for you and can interfere with your Abuja destination

For the righteous, God too shows that He too can have a destination in mind which is different from ours and can also enter-our-affair aka "interfere" as proven by the case of the wise men from the east.

NNTR:
Keep the truculency going. OK?

FWIW, the last Kaduna-Abuja train attack, even travel ticket said, destination Abuja, however that wasnt destined to happen, as planned, so we clearly see that destination is not equal to destiny.

This is you confusing yourself with the word "journey/trip".

The destination Abuja did not stop being the destination even if they were diverted to another location or stopped in transit or terminated in transit.

But una guys una no see say na bad plan be dis? Una no dey learn say woman no dey ever get good plan for una? Una come dey open mouth anyhow!

helinues:
Pardon!

This time, relax, drink cold water and come again

You obviously did not know the book you wait for and the religion you have entered in

NNTR:
Destiny is definitely not Destination, because destination is what you plan to reach or where you plan to go, while destiny is where reach finally.

Even your travel ticket tells you Lagos, Suleja, Ekwulobia, Gboko are destinations your plan is when you are at home doing what you can to raise the money for ticket.

KingOfTheDamned:
WHO IS DOG OF MEN..

He means Pastors mostly but a shot or 2 are directly at The God.

The Lord will avenge Himself but I curse him with my whole heart, it was better that he was never born for it shall never be well with him.

helinues:
Pardon, to my best of knowledge, we are making use of our free gifted senses without waiting for what one book says or one dog of men

Now you are using your free gifted senses in obedience to what the one book of dog men have said! Eg excerpt from your book "religion is a scam"

So you are waiting for the say of Movies to teach you!

helinues:
No
Infact the world could have been more better without religion

Better or worser world it is you and your kind who have made it so by your religions.

NNTR:
Jeremiah 29:11
'For I know the plans and thoughts that I have for you,’ says the LORD,
‘plans for peace and well-being and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.'

Destiny decides your destination, and so destiny as seen, in Jeremiah 29:11...

Destiny is Destination.

peterincredible:
... I am God having a human experience all this...

yet you can not stop sickness, buy common 2012 Honda Accord or eat what you like. Many of you are mad but you think you are normal.

Mikee19:
Ok I thought hard and long about how to respond to u cos in truth I dey fear the Catholic church. They are very evil. Them dey kill person. I won't even put too much of my own stuff out here again...

They are a fraud of a religion. They lie that they're the first church Jesus brought. I can readily show this to be false, but again I'm being careful. It's paganism disguised as Christianity.

Don't stress yourself! It takes madness for a non Catholic church goer to see Catholic church then he says he likes it

Surely, he is just a Satan who has found his house.

Sakir:
Nothing wrong in Pentecostal church, I just developed great love for Catholic Church, I am born again as a Pentecostal church member.

Talk true you just want us to bash Catholic church!

Every non-catholic church goer knows that Catholic church IS SATAN'S VERSION OF CHURCH.

vybzkartel:
Acts 16:6
[6]Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia.

Mostly likely because they are are not ready for Light and Life or have been appointed for destruction so, no need or it was not there time.

Hence why people sing "Pass me not O gentle Saviour"

ajekpaks:
My comments made you uncomfortable? It's a good thing... don't worry, you can lash out as much as you want... it's therapeutic

The lash always falls on the fools back!

ajekpaks:
The Bible is just a documentation of the history of a certain people...

True!

But that is why we have the word fool.
For it is a fool who will always fall into the pits that his elders and neighbours have fallen into.

After that, he too shall be a story to other prospective fools!

SimplePlan34:
To experience pain requires no intelligence, no maturity, no wisdom, no slow working of the hormones in the moist midnight of our innards. We are always ripe for it. All life is ripe for it. Always. Consider the ways in which we may gain pleasure. Consider. Consider the ways in which we may be given pain. The one is to the other as the moon is to the sun.
God is a cosmic Abuser and we are all his victims.

Even if you rub honey on your body, you will still live in pain and misery!

All you God haters shall live and die in great and greater pain. You ain't seen nothing yet. Evil is only doing tospi on top you. The real game never start.

GardenGreen:
Depression has run some mad

Stupidity and foolishness has made him mad I tell you!

Wilgrea7:
I understand your analogy of the house and the landlord. And I don't disagree with it. But like I said earlier in our previous discussion, it's not about rulership. It's about creation.

Creationship always brings rulership. They are inseparable like object and shadow.

Wilgrea7:
The act itself. We had a disagreement on what the different things equate to. How being the owner of a house, does not necessarily equate to being the builders (laborers, electricians, plumbers, painters etc).

This was you making an issue over a thing that is and was not an issue. As you said "labourers etc" are not the owners.

But without dispute, an Owner of A House can employ or recruit or even create labourers. Simple.

And these things are settled. No reasonable person makes an issue out of this, but here comes you.

Wilgrea7:
This topic is about the existence of a "creator God", not an "owner God". Sure, we've agreed that they can be one and the same. But I've also pointed out that it doesn't necessarily have to be the case. And besides, I'm more focused on the aspects of creation, rather than ownership.

And I am saying, creation proves ownership and ownership proves creation. Eg iPhone proves Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs proves the iPhone.

Like object and shadow, they are inseparable.

Wilgrea7:
The reason I used the words "Creator God", is because most monotheistic beliefs attribute the universe to being the literal creation of a supreme being. Not a case of a supreme being telling angels or servants to create things on its behalf. No. Most talk about a supreme being, creating everything BY ITSELF. Which is synonymous to the landlord doing every single bit of work by himself. The painting, tiling, plumping, wiring, etc.

I believe that Christians would have answered you by saying that we really don't care for such things.

We just wanted to know Who Rules and Governs this our mighty House that we call the world and universe, so that we may avoid His Troubles.

Wilgrea7:
In addition to that, while I applaud your landlord and house analogy, it is not the only analogy through which a thing can be created.

For example, a baby needs 2 adults of the opposite gender to be able to create it. In this case, you can't argue for a single right to rulership.

Now you have forgotten flowers and crops are single parents who bear babies.

Which is why I asked the most singular question which you refused to directly answer without controversy which is "can a thing create itself eg a phone, car, tree, animal, person, land, water etc?

Wilgrea7:
A group of people, can for whatever reason, agree to work on a project. We're still dealing with multiple people, but right to rulership can be debated. It can also be disputed.

A single person can also gather tools for example, and create something like a box, or a watch.

I am not trying to argue that these cases HAVE to be true. I agree that any of the cases, including the one you believe in, may be true.

And this is one of my problems with you, are these case not True already or already True whichever you prefer? (Another crazy argument coming up)

Wilgrea7:
My question is, with the existence of multiple scenarios and possibilities like this, through which a universe could exist, on what basis do people who hold specific beliefs, like the monotheist, or polytheist one, base their conclusions.

As you see, there is no valid multiple scenario at all.

O my people are going home!

Wilgrea7:
I don't think you understood my point. I'm not arguing about why things are created the way they are. I agree that in a controlled scenario, things get created the way the creator/creators intend.

Creators control all the scenarios when creating a thing.

Wilgrea7:
What I'm asking is why the attributes of the creator theists believe in, are that way. Based on our observation of the world, the attributes of the creator can be many different ways, and not just the ones most monotheists believe in. So how exactly did they arrive at the conclusion that a God, if it exists, HAS to be that specific way

I answered you showing you that A Land/House cannot be ruled by as little as 2 Landlords not to talk of more than 2.

As to the other attributes, I think they are covered under The Law and Rights and Powers of Creators"

And besides these, there is no valid other.

Wilgrea7:
My question is, why exactly does it have to be this way?

Because, THAT IS WHAT CREATORS DO!

iPhone is created exactly how its creator intended to be made. Same for mannequins, cars, houses, interior decorations, gardens etc.

Shapeaso:
Using my legs to hit it hard. Bro. It's life and death battle so i can't dull with my only chance of survival.

You are still crocys food if you try kicking for your movement will break both the branch you are hanging on and the tree,

Youngwiz71:
What good did he do to Christ

Dude only told the other thief that they deserved their punishment and that Christ should remember him in paradise..... So what good did he do exactly?

You mean you did not see it? Ah!

Do you remember when you were falsely accused and everyone around called you guilty, yet you were innocent?

And just as they were punishing you some one steps in and says "ah mama, you are making a mistake O, he is not the one who did it, he is innocent!

Do you remember how you felt and cried and all?

The thief gave Truth to Christ when everyone gave Him lies.

He gave Justice when everyone gave Him the evil of injustice.

He gave Him Life when everyone had given Him Death.

Having given to The Lord, he therefore got from The Lord in line with The Law of "DO unto others,/An eye for an eye"

So you see, he Did things.

Youngwiz71:
And why should the case of the thief be an exception?

He did Good to Christ!

Now unfortunately for this guy in this situation, there is no good thing he can do that any reasonable person would applaud and say to God "ah Lord, what he has just done is excellent, let's take him"

Gone for dinner will be back when back!

Youngwiz71:
Well I don't believe that tho...

This is The Truth son and don't deceive yourself.

Search the scriptures and see if you see any case of a sinner receiving the goodness of God at his death (Don't say dying thief)

Youngwiz71:
See God is a mysterious God, he said he'll have mercy on who he chooses to have Mercy on....

In answer to Moses when Moses was trying to stop Him from punishing the sinning Israelites. So no cover here.

Youngwiz71:
He also searches the heart of every man even in situations like that....

Nope! He searched and judged the heart kong before this situation!

Shapeaso:
I will hit the snake to fall,then the lion will rush the snake and i'll quickly drop and pick race.

Hit it with what? The smell of your armpit? or do you have a secret third hand?

You know that the snake will bite the hand you present so you are still crocy's food!