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OkCornel:
If you want to use Abraham’s model of tithing well;
1. He gave out of warspoils only, and returned the 90% to the rightful owners.
2. He was not compelled to tithe with threat of a devourer coming for his possessions.

If you want to use Jacob as example. His was a bargain with God, for what he can get in return.

Job did not tithe. God still blessed him.
Obed-Edom did not tithe, God still blessed him.

Go examine their acts. They gave to The Lord in acknowledgement and respect to The Lord.

Tithing is about Giving and paying respect to The Lord.

All this done even before The Lord Expressly declared it. These men had the common sense to know to do so.

Thus, it is true that it is being wrongfully used for enrichment, however, it is not your tithe, nor your enrichment nor your Law.

The Lord Who owns all of these matters would judge in the day He shall visit.

talk2hb1:
I have been Thinking and Thinking, is Christian Gods Wicked by letting them kill his own son just because he wants human blood before he can forgive sins, or he is powerless and hungry for blood to forgive sins?

You have been plotting and searching how you could insult God having seen that He rejected thy father Ishmael and therefore you are using this as an opportunity to strike at The Lord in fulfilment of the prophecies.

The day cometh when The Lord shall avenge Himself!

But in the passing time before The Lord Comes, IT SHALL NEVER BE WELL WITH YOU!

PROPHETmichael:
You are a fool

He is Muslim, so you can expect this

Evidenx:
They do tell us,but people are too busy to see...

Many 1980 movies did tell us the plan. If you have watched the 1980 movie called "Canon Ball Run" you would appreciate how they first started to execute their plan of insulting God, without actually crossing the line, while hiding it in "Na play we dey play"

And the way people behave today, they do not real-eyes that it is the brain washing of movies that they are living out.

The typical case of monkey see, monkey do!

ademidedavid:
Clear, how please?

We have verses that says it clearly and people that do not want their children to marry from certain tribes because they believe they were not of God.

The Bible condemns discrimination of any kind and every kind especially as it stated the grounds for which a person can keep separate from others.

But as usual people are their own gods and their own rulers, therefore they do as it pleases them.

ademidedavid:
..i think our thought should be how to win the soul of the other party rather than discriminating as a christian.

Wrong!

First of all, Christians and not-Christians hate themselves and must do so.

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Therefore the 2 cannot walk together for they are abominations to each other.

Therefore, if you find a not-Christian attractive, then it is clear that you are too are a not -Christian.

Therefore, you are birds of the same feather and thus, you can flock together.

NairaLux:
Tithes and Offering Are Not Part Of The Law Of Moses, But You Have To Be Obedient To God - Pastor WF Kumuyi...

True, it is not part of the law of Moses but it is part of The Laws God gave to Moses.

donbachi:
Adultery

You know you are already guilty of adultery just because you have thought of possessing and sleeping with someone's wife, even though you have not yet physically put your penis in between her legs.

OsilaGama:
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As for me i'm free of 10. 7. 6. 3. 2. 1

God's Law is the "basic law" (Natural Law) of the Society.

We naturally know that stealing of all types and kind, whether chattels or humans, is prohibited.

And that to disrespect our elders is bad.

But knowing that humans can be so stupid to say they did not know, therefore He went the extra mile of detailing The Law.

michaelwestern:
There's too much pollution in the entertainment industry nowadays. It's difficult to watch movies and other social media stuffs without being bombarded with the temptation to sin or just ingesting ungodly conversations. Christian movies are usually somehow and I don't know how people enjoy comedies where the name of God is being used in vain.

All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. Much as I'll like to only pray and read the Bible in my free time, there's always a need to find something interesting to relax. I watch basketball but they don't play games everyday.

I just need suggestions on entertainments that a Christian can use to relax.

This is one of the several things the Bible teaches which is, how to block off the world and its evilness whilst living in God's World (heaven) which you have entered, IF YOU HAVE ENTERED IT.

And of course if you have experienced heaven, you will know that it is always a mistake to return to this ugly evil world you know.

OkCornel:
We are still awaiting scriptural or historical references supporting monetary tithing in the gentile church.

Lo, here lies the mad repeater general and last word chaser of Nairaland,

MaxInDHouse:
Go and counsel your church people!

While you counsel your Satan people, o I get it!

OkCornel:
And still, he's yet to provide scriptural or historical references supporting monetary tithing in the gentile church.

Obviously, your ears are not working either!

MaxInDHouse:
Just stop mentioning/quoting me because you lack the basic knowledge to chat with me on scriptural topics!

Says the person who was mad enough to link counseling with mad obsession.

OkCornel:
And still, you've provided no facts by way of scriptural or historical references provided to support the fraudulent scheme of monetary tithing in the gentile church.

I hope your next response would contain some useful information.

Are you that mad that you have forgotten you are blind and you don't see? O, ok, u understand, you are not talking to me. You are just checking whether you are also going deaf so you are just speaking aloud and repeating stuff to your ears!

OkCornel:
The bolded further reinforces the sentiments I'm speaking of.

Your response here further proves crazed obsession and mad addiction clearly exhibiting your sentiments raised at insane guage bursting levels.

Gosh, many are going mad daily. Looks like the plague of madness is back!

OkCornel:
You don't have any scriptural references in response to my questions.

Does one require scriptural references to say that if you plant stones you will die of hunger or if you drink hypo, you are gonna die?

This is done!

Engr2016:
Thanks Sir. May GOD have mercy on our people. I pray their eyes are open to see the honest but bitter truth!

I know you expect "amen" but we all see that people's eyes are truly open but they shut it when Truth Comes.

So, there is no further work for God to do.

OkCornel:
In all your responses, I'm yet to see one Bible verse in support of monetary tithing in the gentile church....

That clearly proves that you are blind so you do not see. And it is known the blind do not see, so nothing unusual!

OkCornel:
Did Daniel and his friends tithe in captivity? Did Esther & Mordecai tithe in captivity? Did Nehemiah tithe in captivity?...

See it! You are just hopping around, fishing for something to complain about and making unnecessary noise.

Mr Coko, you truly have no thing valid and reasonable to say!

Tithe, no-tithe, in the end it is Life for one and Death for the other.

Wilgrea7:
In regards to whether a thing can create itself, i have been saying one things since. That anything that begins to exist must have a cause.

That is not an answer to the question "can a thing create itself?" which should either be "yes it can" or "no it cannot" or 'i don't know".

So you are clearly being evasive and slippery a Pure Mark of an unreasonable dishonest person.

Wilgrea7:
Proof is the one thing I've been asking for since the first time our discussions ever began.. you've been running in circles avoiding it.

The proof of which is in your possession but you have willfully refused to release it by directly and truthfully answering the question posed to you.

So it is you who prevents the giving of proof by your evasion which clearly proves that you truly do not want The Proof.

So, seeing this, there is nothing further for me to do.

Wilgrea7:
I guess google is wrong now huh?

The word is "hearsay evidence". See

Wilgrea7:
For someone who calls the existence of a cell "hearsay evidence", you're certainly a pillar in the knowledge section....

Now, because you always dodge The Truth you went Googling "hearsay meaning" instead of hearsay evidence which would have clearly told you


English: hearsay evidenceAmerican: hearsay evidencehearsay evidenceExample sentencesTrends
Definition of 'hearsay evidence'

hearsay evidence
in British English
NOUN
law
evidence based on what has been reported to a witness by others rather than what he or she has observed or experienced (not generally admissible as evidence)

Engr2016:
Another major area in which prosperity preachers are making serious error in the matter of tithe is what they actually do with the gathered tithes.
TITHE IS NOT FOR:
1. Tithe should not be used to build your personal empire
2. Tithe should not be used to acquire wealth and riches
3. Tithe should not be diverted outside the church to start business ventures
4. Tithe should not be used to buy mansions and private jets
5. Tithe should not be used for building glamorous cathedrals, auditoriums etc
5. In conclusion , even if you must collect tithes , it should strictly be used to do what the scriptures stipulates . Anything outside of this amounts to disobedience, heresy and greed.

Funny! Both the tithe eating pastors and the anti-tithe army will not hear you!

The Lord should just come and end the rule of men. They have woefully and disgracefully failed.

OkCornel:
3. Show us where the Israelites tithed in captivity. God made it very clear tithes were just from Crops and livestock raised in the promised land only. But if you disagree, show us where the Israelites tithed in captivity.

Even this unreasonable one. Do captives function in captivity?

OkCornel:
Just as I expected, emotional and sentimental reasoning..

Are you yourself not emotionally sentimentally addicted to being anti-tithe?

Is it your tithe that is being used?

OkCornel:
1. Use the scriptures to show us where God specifically requested the gentiles (except the ones that resides in the land of Israel) to tithe.

2. Show us where exactly in the scriptures God requested for money as tithes. Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 clearly spells out the tithing process

I have answered all these

OkCornel:
4. Show us where in the scriptures the Apostles specifically demanded tithes from members of the gentile church. Especially after the argument in Acts 15.

Again, stooping into the unreasonable just to fuel your obsession, yet you thought you were unemotional and unsentimental.

You go to church and have your pastors yet the the apostles did not specifically demand you to have such things.

You are just jealously hateful because those Satan Pastors have everything you want, riches, beautiful women, praise of men etc

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is a thief for admonishing his disciples not to accumulate material possessions, shey?

In addition to your satanness is increased madness. No reasonable person can ever think to link simple counseling with crazed maniacal display, but obviously, your poverty has increased your madness which is why you do this. Shoo off madman! Gosh, what a Curse!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm rich just like my Lord who..

Thief, The rich never bother about other people's riches it is only the poor and hungry. Tithe Thief!

OkCornel:
Also, I'll be waiting for scriptural references where God made tithing mandatory for gentiles as well.

That same reason suggests why you should continue bowing down to your wooden and iron and stone idols. You ought not to use the Bible at all.

Obviously una jw dey jealous dis tithe thing well well.

OkCornel:
Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;

22 Thou shalt give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine,

Even the list here shows you that it is whatever you earn from work and today we are not farmers but we can render to The Lord our earnings!

And the madness about your complainings is that it is not your money that is being used as tithes exactly as the man in the Parable of the vineyard workers.

Your eye is evil because we are obedient.

MaxInDHouse:
OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!
The richest man on this planet is Jesus Christ of Nazareth followed by Adam both !

Mr. Off Point, the thief, no one ask who is the richest man in the world. Obviously you are very hungry you should not bother, you will never be rich.

Ken4Christ:
This is ignorance on rampage. ..

Let's start from the book of Acts;

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.

You can not be justified by Law because you are guilty under Law, or would you say you have not broken any Law? Oya Lie.

Ken4Christ:
Read verse 24 very well. James said those insisting that the law of Moses must be kept are subverting the souls of these new converts. He said they didn't give such Commandments.

How do you reasonably expect an Urhobo man in Nigeria to know how to properly keep All The Commandments WHEN HE HAS NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE AND IS JUST HEARING ABOUT THEM?

Is it reasonable to expect that you would be able to immediately obey the laws they have in Saud Arabia when you just became a Muslim?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE

John 1:17 For the LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

Does this not mean Moses was Given The Law while Christ came with Grace and Truth that you should keep and obey The Law?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:6 But now WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Delivered from death under Law into Life In The Law, by a new spirit of obedience and not your old spirit of disobedience and evil

And as you see, you have not changed but are still your former guilty self.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÈÈÈÈÈÈ!

No more tithes for pastors so go and find work to do!

O I see, you are the thief! It is because you are greatly jelous of the riches of pastors that is why your Satanness has once again come out. Lake of Fire loaded.

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone can clearly see that as we all read the sermon on the mount!

And if everyone checks it, they would see that the sermon is right in the middle of The Commandments.eg Do not Kill, is still do not kill and anger is a type of killing. If you bring your gift to the alter and you remember you have issues with your brother, this is The Law in Luke 19:17, adultery is still Do not commit adultery etc.

You are just children of disobedience, the sermon on the Mount is still The Same Law and Commandments given to Moses.

Wilgrea7:
While I don't dispute the things we CAN see,

Funny, you have been contesting the things we have seen since the beginning eg "can a thing create itself? Or phone in your pocket". You disputed claiming "not necessarily" and "you don't know".

So, you see, you lie when you say you do not dispute the things we can see, meanwhile you have been doing that all the way.

Wilgrea7:
i think it's important to acknowledge the fact that just because we can't see something, doesn't mean it can't exist.

I did not say it can not exist, just saying you have to know how to prove it.

Wilgrea7:
2 things. First of all, biology is not a book. It is a field of knowledge that deals with the study of living things. There are books on different subjects in biology.. but biology itself is not a book.

All "someone's say" (hearsay).

Wilgrea7:
Secondly, I think you really misunderstand the meaning of the word “hearsay" If something is said WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that's what you call hearsay.

Wrong! See, you now show you do not know what hearsay is. Go read it up.

Wilgrea7:
I don't know what gives you the impression that I'm a child lol...

Your "you-do-not-knowness". Children are the ones who don't know much!

Wilgrea7:
Saying things like “you should know" is basically a fancy way of saying “you have to agree with my point"..

O yes! If you knew, you must agree with my point, just like I have agreed with your point "Nairaland is for anyone who is interested enough, and has the data and time to spare" because I know this too and I am supposed to know it to.

But, as you have proven, you have determined yourself to never agree with any thing, even the ground under your feet will be disputed by you. And I will never stoop to that level of stupidity and madness.

MaxInDHouse:
If Christ is our destination and Christ has come do we still need to travel back to the history of the Israelites and start memorizing the laws God gave them as a nation in order to prepare them for the Christ?

Just like the Israelites, you people never listen to God nor walk in The Way God commanded.

So, Christ came one last time to get all of you to walk once again in The Way God has Set to save you.

But as usual, again, you people never listen nor obey!

MaxInDHouse:
You're just beating about the bush!
Christians only need Jesus Christ of Nazareth we have nothing as in NOTHING to do with the constitution God gave the nation of Israel.
Period!

How insane, you already know that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was sent to Isreal and yet you claim Him. Isn't it mad that you should have abandoned Mohammed only to take Israel's Lord?

Putting your madness aside, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, did clearly command, Mathew 19:17
"If thou wilt enter into Life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS!

Case Closed!

dogmart:
That Destruction isn't for you and i as Christians. The time of LIVE and Death is determined by the LORD and not by man.

I did not say anything about determining time. I just said there is a time for everything.