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Obviously, Satan and his children find the Exposure of the True Origin of Law vs. Origin of the Lie called "Legal", extremely Pain Full, so it is fine for this thread to come out and come up once again.

Gointo:
and what made you think that there is a log,are you intimidated by my holiness teaching ?

Nope!

Just that I have seen, most people are not what they preach.

Gointo:
may the Lord rebuke me severely and the anger of the Lord be upon my head if there is a log and you too if there is and every pharisee(hypocrites)

Remember, He already Cursed all who sin, whether you or I, so there is not a problem.

I am an advocate for sinlessness and righteousness and Holiness, so again, no problem.

michaelwestern:
I'm not trivializing sin, I'm just saying that sin cannot take a born again Christian to hell

You Wish!

LordReed:
LMAO! Show us the paper you presented to the NBA, oh you didn't present a paper did you, you were just talking smack to some people who out of pity for your degraded intellect kept quiet. If you are so confident in your vaunted reasoning then present a paper or go to the National Assembly or Supreme Court. Let's see how they laugh you out of their presence.

And finally Satan begins to insult now that he has nothing to say, like clockwork!

Gointo:
on whose authority do you ask me those questions?
Every man shall stand before the judgement seat of God ,he will give everyone according to his work...then we will know who truly are the sons of the living God .
Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

It is a good thing to examine yourself, to ensure no log is there.

Gointo:
...Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Do you yourself Truly hunger and thirst in pursuit of righteousness?

Did you eat the bread of righteousness when it was given you or you just admired the bread and walked away?

Hmmmm! Ok

michaelwestern:
You always dodge my questions

It is not True I dodge them, it is rather that I answer them and 3 more stupid ones enter.

And the more I answer, the more even stupider questions seem to be coming.

And these degrading questions only come from little children for adults already know the answers to them all, but not you.

And this forum is for adults!

So you see, I am not expecting a little child here.

True!

LordReed:
I dunno why you here celebrating when you could be making the case to either to the NBA, the National Assembly or the Supreme Court. I know if you tried you'd be laughed out but since you are so confident go there and stop acting smug here.

You just must do evil.

I told you that I have presented it to my former co-legallers and they are silent. If the different legallers I regularly meet at least 4 times a week, are silent, NBA,has nothing to give, for they are the same people in NBA.

So, I am looking for someone smarter whether in the NBA or not.

And surely you are not one, so go bring one here or dismiss!.

michaelwestern:
Now this is funny. This actually made me laugh.

Let me help you. Let's start from the basics, what do you mean by the phrase; Paul was a Lawyer? Do you think that Paul was going to Court to argue cases? Which type of law do you think paul studied?

O boy! It is very unhealthy for me to argue with a growing child like you.

See, what Paul did in Acts 17:16-31.

Sorry, son, you too little for me to be arguing with you as your "you do not know is making us move from one issue to another to another.

And since you think you know, then we should not be moving. But your movements clearly show, you know too little to amount to any tangible knowledge!

budaatum:
You "wanted", but never asked?

Experience has also taught us to wait, may be such questions may be answered.

Which I looked out for as the course went on and they were never answered, rather, more questions got added to them.

And as you can see, NONE CAN ANSWER BOTH HERE AND OFF LINE.

And, that is the value of their SILENCE!

IMAliyu:
I[b] have no hatred for the Bible[/b], I just haven't found anything about it that makes it the word of God and you guys haven't made a convincing (factual, historical or scientific) case for it.

That is not True!

When we hate a thing, (for whatever reason) we completely reject it and depending on how just we are, we would never consider it's presentation nor even. And based on how just we are, we may not even accept it's presentation as True, even if it is True.

And that is what you do.

IMAliyu:
Your feelings of my bias, is to my guess you trying to reason how I don't see the truth in the Bible like you, have faith like you.

No!

It is rather because "I know how people operate, and can operate and like to operate".

As different from the fair and reasonable and just way of doing things.

Eg, A cheat, can never TRULY accept that cheating is wrong, even if he says "it's wrong".

Same for womanisers and manizers (ah did not remember prostitutes and their clients prove this even easily).

And you are doing the very same thing they do, arguing in the same way they must argue when they in focus.

And that is the definition of bias.

IMAliyu:
How I wish I was cognitively capable of doing that, my disillusionment with the faiths was not of my choosing.

You do, you just do not want to, hence, you have blocked yourself from letting The Truth Enter you.

For you saw when you did allow, even a little of it, you did not like how you felt.

So you blocked it, and now you sit as a king, directing how Truth should be given to you and even in what form it should be given to you.

Which clearly means, YOU DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH!

For it is seen that, Truth Comes to us, in many many different ways AND NONE OF US HAVE A RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW IT SHOULD COME, WHEN IT SHOULD COME AND IN WHAT MANNER IT SHOULD COME.

UNLESS YOU DO NOT WANT IT TO COME.

AND THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT IT TO COME, BLOCK IT.

WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

MindHacker9009:
When did the RATURE take place?
Matthew 24
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

Aren't people "in their fields and in their work"?

And when rapture occurs, what shall happen?

michaelwestern:
People mean the whole world, saved and unsaved.

If people means the whole world, is the whole world "born again"?

michaelwestern:
I don't get this. Try to indicate exactly what you mean, I don't like making unnecessary assumptions.

For not "getting this" you really are too too young to attempt preaching.

As I said, "you know not what you say".

michaelwestern:
Before we can move forward, you'll have to explain what you mean by lawyers. Are you talking about people that studied law in the university?

Yes!

Like you, if you spoke Truly, we found it difficult to understand Paul's writings especially as it was not that hard in understanding Mathew, Mark and co.

But here comes Romans and gbam, it was a case of "what is this man saying now?"

It was while I was in the University trying to Study Law (whilst they were teaching "Not Law", Pastor Bakare, then pointed it out that "you know Paul is a Lawyer and trust lawyers, they know how to go into places no one has gone".

I did not know what that meant then but I held it in mind, until I became a Lawyer.

And it was then I re-visited Romans and co and then, gbam! I then saw, that Paul's Letters, "are Law Documents". Exactly how we, lawyers Write. Word for word, meaning for meaning, ensuring that we capture "every relevant issue" that is within the Scope of the Subject Matter.

And I am quite Angry that Pastors who are Lawyers do not teach these things.

LordReed:
Yeah sure they are flabberwhelmed and overghasted by your intellect. LoLz.

Sure, they are shocked I still remembered all the questions we all wanted to ask in Year 1, which they also observed too, so I am not a lone.

michaelwestern:
I guess you have to read the OP again

The only sin that takes people to hell is the sin of not accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ...

...Is it not responding to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and accepting him as your Lord and saviour?

When did people attain the meaning "born again"?

Have the people responded and accepted at this time?

michaelwestern:
You're still yet to show me that they were born again Christians. Let's start from there, before moving to the issue of whether they're in hell or heaven.

Do you know what CHANGE OF POST means?

It clearly means you have crashed into the bush as you were travelling.

michaelwestern:
[b]No[\b] it's not. living according to the commandments will not and can never give you eternal life.

So, Noah, Job and Daniel who earned God's praise will not get eternal life? (Obviously, you did not know that God Honoured these men)

As I said, you do not know what you say.

michaelwestern:
What do you mean by this? Are you saying that only lawyers (theologians) can interpret the word of God?

Nope!

"Paul's Writings are Law Documents with Lawyers not theologians being the only ones who can give you the proper Interpretation of all he wrote.

Which is where you people make the errors. "End" in English means finished or terminated. In Law, it means "Destination" or "Goal" or "Purpose".

Same for "Without The Law", "not The Law", "By Law" etc

Paul's Writings can only be properly interpreted by Lawyers.

And the purport of all he said is Romans 8: 4 "That The Righteousness (bet you do not know that "Righteousness" means "Right Fullness" ) OF THE LAW MIGHT be fulfilled in us"!

So as you see, you have too many 'dont knows"

Tobedated:
then what the Bleep is god job if he doesn't do good nor evil what does he do what is his purpose if he can't interfere for his children why do we worship him if he really doesn't do anything how can we be sure he cares for us which begs the question is god cruel or deaf or doesn't care or he just doesn't exist

1) you are not His children! You are Satan's children.

2) The Job is Done by His Laws. So all who do evil, will have evil visit them.
And all who the good, will have the good visit them.

michaelwestern:
How do you know that they were really born again?

You did not say "born again' when you said "...lies, murder, fornication etc do not take people to hell fire."

So this is A CHANGE OF POST!

michaelwestern:
And how do you know where they will end up?

After Peter's declaration that they sinned against The Holy Spirit and they immediately died!

Please, do not ridicule yourself. Take correction, for you are Wrong.
As you can see, you can not reasonably and validly defend your opinions, as others before you who thought and said these same things but they all Fell!

michaelwestern:
And you're totally missing my point, sin has negative consequences on earth. For example, if you commit fornication, you can contact an STD that can kill you but it doesn't mean that you won't go to heaven. That's my point.

You know not what you say.

michaelwestern:
I did not say that one has to live according to commandments to be accepted by God or to go to heaven. I said that it was beneficial to do so, there's a big difference between the two.

You not what you say!

isn't Eternal Life part of the benefits of living according to the Commandments?

Note! This is a Trap question.

michaelwestern:
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.Romans 10:4

Do you know that Paul was a Lawyer?

And do you know that "End" in Law means Destination or Goal?

In this light that Paul was a Lawyer, and all he wrote was "A Law Document" requiring A Lawyer's Interpretation as Peter warned you people in 2 Peter 3:16,
Re-interprete what it says.

Many of your kind came here with this error and none of them could back it up.

LordReed:
I guess you really are crawling here because you won't get anywhere with this.

Actually, their Loud Silence, is a Result too and it is the same result I also have off line.

And for my former colleagues in legality to not have any objection, that is a very very big deal!

LordReed:
The NBA is a better place to start.

Like nature, I like to crawl before I walk.

budaatum:
Dt, if what you present is your reasoning then you need to go back to primary school.

If you were not able to identify that, that was My Reasoning as different from "what is taught" then, your schooling was a complete nullity.

And of course, the people there saw that you were complaining because you could not validly refute my observation and presentation.

So, you really do not have any thing valuable to contribute, so you can run along.

michaelwestern:
Conventional sins like; lies, murder, fornication etc do not take people to hell fire.

This is not True! Ananias and Sapphire, Lied and thought to Deceive.

I Corinthians 5:1 was about fornication.

And surely, we know where they shall land.

michaelwestern:
I agree that after you get saved it is beneficial to live according to the commandments of God. But the way you do this is by fellowshipping with God, studying the word of God and allowing God to change your life, not by thinking that God is angry with you or condemning you anytime you commit sin, this belief puts Christians in bondage. As a Christian the ultimate goal of our life is to be in a state of perfect Communion with God, so I am not advocating that Christians should live in sin, but my point is that sin can not make you lose your salvation

You can either make heaven by grace or by works but it can never be by grace plus works because that implies that Grace is not enough and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is more than enough. Also believe me, if it is by works then nobody is going to heaven.

If one has to "to live according to the commandments of God", then certainly, he would be Working!

And if Working, then he definitely has and enjoys God's Support.

And if a person has God's Support, definitely such person has Grace!

And therefore, Grace and Works, do perfectly work together.

budaatum:
Dt, I am not talking about this thread alone, but about the threads you've created to assert what you had been taught instead of the reasoning of your own mind.

THIS IS NOT TRUE!
The bulk of my threads are a presentation of My Own Reasoning on the subject, in comparison with what we are taught.

AND YOU KNOW THIS, for you severally attacked My Reasoning, AND NOT "what i had been taught"!

So, you speak not Truly, as you can sometimes choose to do, when you see you have no valid way of proceeding with the argument.

LordReed:
You should go to the Supreme Court or the National Assembly to argue, not Nairaland.

"Let's start at the very beginning
A very good place to start.
When you read you begin with A-be-see
When you sing you begin with do-re-mi."

So, Nairaland is also part of my A,B,C and Do-re-mi. Testing!

MindHacker9009:
When rapture happens who on nairaland would you like to come with you?

For me if these guys below are coming then dam it I will tell Jesus to count me out.

1. @MaxInDHouse
2. @JesusJunior
3. @Dtruthspeaker
4. @MrPresident1
5. @OpenYourEyes1
More to be added

Rapture that is already taken place! The Next One is Judgement Day!

LordReed:
So you're a divorcee? Interesting.

Nope! Joyfully and peacefully married to the wife of my youth, from my youth up.

So, this was me role playing what happens in the families of a married men who were stupid to not know that, cheating destroys the Family.

budaatum:
You never did say where you got your law degree.

I could have as well put forth my name, D.O.B, schools attended, work experience, what I ate this morning etc.

budaatum:
You are not in school anymore where you blindly believed what you were taught instead of asking and knocking and seeking, which is what study is, so why don't you free your mind and use it instead of peddling what you claim to have been taught?

You are obviously afflicted with both amnesia and cataract such that you do not see nor remember YOU SAID "...instead of asking...",

Meanwhile, I clearly asked, saying,

"So I humbly ask, did they teach "Law Method"?

For clearly, it can be seen that by the definitions/explanations, "Legal" is not "Law!

Or am I wrong?

So lawyers, help me do justice to it Sophritebenitez, and others whose names I do not remember at the moment, what do you think."

So, you see now, you talk foolishly.

Ok, you've said your piss, you can shit off now!