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PeaceJoyLove:
If the whole truth is: God is with us and that's all....then, we do not need to put any effort again. So, why do we need to pray, read our bible daily?...

Good afternoon! Just caught a rest between work.
The highlighted is one of the many errors people make in thinking that because God is with us. therefore, we can party and play all day.

No, it is not so, it is even rather the opposite, which is we are supposed to say "What am I supposed to do today" and of course it follows that you shall have given report about yesterday's Instruction.

Exactly as a wife doth not play because she hath her husband, or a son, his father or an employee/servant to his employer/master.

All do their work for the smooth running of the relationship between them. If a wife fails to work, she shall be cut off, same for the son and same for the servant. That is what John 5:17; 19-47 also teaches.

PeaceJoyLove:
Listen bro, doing good these days requires real effort. The effort which weren't there in the old. Why? Doing bad is so easy these day. And doing bad was so hard before. Lol. Things we do effortlessly in the olden days, we cant again..

And this is where the parable of the Seeds/Sower is instructive and hath forewarned Mathew 13:4-8 Translated in 18-23

Which seed do you choose to be?

PeaceJoyLove:
But I guess you saying God is already with us probably share the same opinion with me.

That is what I am saying. We have God's Help Already.

PeaceJoyLove:
But the devil has made doing bad to flow from us naturally.

And i say that we (including God in us) can change that setting to do the good naturally.

But this is the real problem people are facing on this issue for there are certain pertinent questions that must be asked and properly resolved.

1) Do I Truly l want to be doing the good?
2) Do I Truly know all the good that I want and need to do?
3) How long am I Truly going to keep at doing the good?
4) Am I aware that there is going to be a price to be paid for walking on this path?
5) Do I know the Price or Prices I am going to have to pay to properly undertake this venture?
6) Do I Truly want to make such payments for it?
7) Would I pay that price or prices if I find it inconvenient, painful and uncomfortable?

There are still some other questions which flow immediately after these sets of questions, but I'll stop at these.

Most people say that they intend to do the good but they do not take it very seriously that this enterprise also requires due preparation and knowledge before it can be properly undertaken and executed exactly as we do over any engagement we are interested in undertaking eg, employment, business enterprise, marriage etc

But when it comes to God and obeying His Laws people are very much happy to wait for God energize and motivate them, but when they want to any activity they like, they have even first acted before they call on The Lord's help.

PeaceJoyLove:
Bro, though, I agree God is with us, but Eviana said it all. We need Holy Spirit.

Remember The Holy Spirit is God also and as you said, God is with us, therefore, we already have The Holy Spirit.

know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

PeaceJoyLove:
My View
When you have the grace to do all the recommendations of Jesus, do it...

I am not perfect. I pray to be...

For being alive, therefore we already have the Grace (Power) to do anything. "Whatever they imagine to do, that shall they do" is The Law.

And what do people imagine? Is it not vanities and evil deeds? How to penetrate their neighbours wife and daughter; how to make excess profits; desiring to kill, how to escape from the Hand and Eye of God etc

Thus, if we Truly think and imagine to do Only "the Good" which we are supposed to do, it would be done.

PeaceJoyLove:
But here is the gospel truth, you cannot do it by yourself. You must be led. No matter how intellectual you are, you need help and direction. You need power too.

No man is Alone for God is Already with us. John 1: 4 and 9.

PeaceJoyLove:
Bro, you are correct. I am a living testimony to this. You will enjoy the blessings on earth and even like I pointed out up there, you will in heaven.

It is called the law of sowing and reaping. Even an evil man practises it, the result must manifest. I was entering church some years back and I saw this person handed cash to an old usher. I stepped back. And then, I took note of the cash, i could count 5 pieces of N1,000 when the old usher tried to arrange the money in his pocket, but definitely was more. The giver and I sat beside each other during service and then it was offering time, he paid only N200. I said to myself hmmmm. You know what? I took some of my cash and gave the man on my way out of service. If you see the blessings of that week. Guy, a no dey miss am every Sunday oooo. Not only that man, but many people. Even, I graduated to streets, and not only in church. And lockdown came bro. I didnt even think of blessing anyone again. Guy, I struggled ooo. Until one day I came to my senses and said ..come oooo...when last did I give? As soon as I found a new sets of fertile land, it was like magic. Bro, it started flowing again. Bro, I was shocked.

God's Word is Absolutely True! It is Good to be very observant and sensitive to the Word of God. God's Word when Properly Applied is Absolutely True.

PeaceJoyLove:
You are absolutely correct. The example I wrote above about our politicians says it all. They are supposed to do good their. But doing bad is what we are familiar with now. I would be a bad person if I didnt adopt nepotism in giving out contracts and filling out vacancy posts. My family would turn to be my enemies instantly.

Spot on!

The highlighted: Have you started work with Mathew 10: 32-38?

budaatum:
It has nothing to do with the last word dt. But with understanding. I must however say that you have not said anything worth responding to here apart from my mention of your devious last word having tactic that you think would shut buda up.

Have you seen what happened to your idiot who took up your foolishness and dressed up as Snake?

https://www.nairaland.com/6592042/mc-freedom-beaten-ibadan-prank

Modified!

Myzzyfrazzy:
Ok sir. But as christains focusing on the opposite dorsnt help. You can't remove darkness from a room but when you bring in light the darkness disappears .same also applies to putting clear water from a tap in a cup of tea with tea. In no distance time you see just water. We strive towards perfection as we walk in the spirit that he gives us after baptism. Act 2: 38 _43

I understand you but this approach has been taught for centuries and yet it did not work and people did not change. They continue doing the Wrong and Evil.

With a change of approach I see that we have a Duty and Obligation to Do the Good and there is really no reward for our doing good, save the keeping of our lives and soul, for it is our duty (Luke 17:7-10)

Therefore, being our duty to do the good, it is crazy and anomaly that we do not do so. It is even more bewildering and outrageous that we celebrate the doing of the good.

This is Wrong, Very very wrong as Luke 17:7-10 has taught us.

Which is why I say that out job is to be doing good deeds and that the doing of good deeds is normal. And there is nothing to celebrate about doing it. It is only an evil person who celebrates the doing of good for it means you in normal circumstances, you do not and will not do the good deeds, therefore, doing good deeds is an anomaly and an insanity which is not what God Created therefore, Outside God.

Therefore, I counsel the doing of good deeds as normal while looking upon the doing of wickedness as abnormal.

Nomanlike:
... David took someone's wife forcefully and God forgave him.

Look at Psalms again, he nearly died as Solomon and others who did it. He was very very very lucky that God forgave him finally but did he not suffer very dearly for them?

His own sons adulterated his wives and concubines.

Just your neighbour doing you back brings murder, so how much murder would you do now that it is your son who serves it to you?

David himself begs you that you should not do it at all, na die dey wait you there, hot hot die and hell.

budaatum:
Those who want to deceive you will dress snakes in sheeps clothes. Is it because you can't reason for yourself that you can't think they might equally dress sheep in snakes clothes to deceive you?

Yes, dt. Your life your drive, indeed.

See how foolish you are and can be? It is A Fool who will think that what you said is and was an intelligent move.

Without hesitation, anything Including A man in the form or clothing of a Snake will be KILLED ON SIGHT! No Questions asked, for he will be thought An Anaconda, Python or Boa Constrictor!

Have the last word!

Myzzyfrazzy:
Sir, please read what I wrote again. It takes more than good deeds to make heaven as a christain

Respectfully, I coming from the opposite direction that It took only one "Bad deed" of Disobedience to wipe out the entire humous man, at a go and a swipe.

Only One Wrong Deed, Destroyed human living.

live4dgospel:
I have chosen to ignore you right now because you are not even well-versed in the Scriptures let alone understanding God's word.

From my answer earlier you already saw that I had withdrawn myself from you after you said none of the "commandment" in what you people refer to as the new testament, talks about the law given through Moses.

Ortintin:
Hmm which means if someone is executed for murder, he will still go to hellfire

Yep! He will still go for Re-Trial and Every Element of his Offence plus other offences which men could not See and Prove will be brought to light for due reconsideration and judgement.

budaatum:
People will call buda whatever they want, all different things all according to their own understanding ...

No one calls Snake, a Sheep nor a thief, a Holy man, not even a 3 year old. But it is your right to be either a Snake or Sheep or a thief or Holy man. Your life, your drive.

Myzzyfrazzy:
Question...
Can a man good deeds and philanthropic work save him and get him to Heaven?...

You all keep emphasizing "Good Deeds" "Righteousness", Living and Life is On the Doing of Good Deeds.

Death and Dying is in "Bad Deeds"!

We are supposed to do Good Deeds and be Doing Good Deeds and Have A Duty to Do Good Deeds, so this is not the problem.

The Problem is that we do not do Good Deeds but the "Bad Deeds" and it is the "Bad Deeds/Bad thoughts that Condemn you.

So the Question is "Do you Do bad Deeds/Bad works?"

budaatum:
Actually, the serpent means the consciousness in your mind. That which makes you think and wonder and consider things in your mind, which is precisely what you are resisting for fear that you will die if you do.

So "simple ordinary thinkings" and "cunning, deceitful and twisted thinkings" (Serpenting) are the same to you!

And you wonder why people call you a Twisted soul and Satan like!

budaatum:
The truth is you, BassReeves, believe "this particular and peculiar serpent talked and did converse with Eve"!

The True meaning of "Serpent" in the Bible means Extremely Cunning and Very Deceitful Lethal thing or person.

budaatum:
Those who know buda will tell you buda detests those who refuse to accept what they see with their own eyes, so please do use your own eyes.

The text clearly says on the day that you eat you shall surely die!

There are certain interpretations which Reasonably arise out of that text.

1) on the day... (Emphasis is on the day) Does it mean that specific day? As you rely on Or;

2)" ... you shall surely die" (Emphasis, is on the death or dieing) Does it mean that the death Will be and must be immediate? Or

3) Does it mean that the death would be gradual? (As Seen, thank God you insisted on "Seeing with your own eyes" which we see and have seen To be the Truth executed in this case.

4) And by this statement, "on the day that you eat you shall surely die", it clearly Proves and Means that AdamEve had Forever, Timeless and Limitless Life, but now, their life had an Expiry Date.

6) Nothing in that Statement specifies "When" the expiry date shall be effected.

7) Nothing in that statement specifies "How" the expiration date shall be implemented.

We know the "Whom" the expiration date shall be implemented upon and which "We Saw" was so implemented!

So based on the Seeings and Saw-ings, I can answer that "on the day that you eat you shall surely die" it was seen, that

I) God, the Judge Reserved and exercised the Right of implementing gradual death on the offenders.

Ii) He, the Judge Reserved to Himself, the "When" (Date) of implementing the death sentence.

Iii) He, the Judge Reserved to Himself the "How" Mode of implementing the death. sentence.

HappyPagan:
Did his car break down? He is been coming since two thousand years...the World has moved on..you should...

That has always been His Style whenever He was going to Personally Judge a Matter on earth.

As Eternity is, so is Time irrelevant to Him.

And exactly as your phone and car in your hand, Time means nothing to you whenever you decide that you shall painfully deal with them.

haddeylium:
You're a grown adult. Act like one!
Learn to loosen up. JWs are not your enemies.

Satan too, doth sometimes speaks the Truth and yet, he is evil.

So also doth anyone who Lies and doth not speak the Whole Truth that is True, is my Enemy.

tommy589:
I am yet to be a full fledged member though.Studying with them is interesting and helps me with better understanding of the Bible than ever before

Ok. But please, please I beg you for your soul sake, guard yourself. Like Satan, they use The Truth to kill, exactly as he did to Eve.

And they kill by selling to you what you may have thought or not have thought of, which is primarily the desire to not be accountable for your deeds, which is Against God's Law which clearly stated. "God shall not be Mocked, God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."

They do say "Do Righteousness" but do they do it? (Judge for yourself).

They do say with their mouths that Repentance is important but do they know they great value and consequence of it? (Judge for yourself, even many claiming Christians really do not know the magnitude and ramification of it)

tommy589:
It is bliss getting my Bible studies from JW

you funny oh, shall a fish not say it is bliss to be in fresh water? So how shall a JW not say it is sweet to be JW?

But no wahala, it is your bed, your bliss

HappyPagan:
To be a robot is the whole duty of man. To take instructions and follow.

That is what it means to have been a creation, you are bound and obligated to take Orders from your Creator, Exactly as your phone and car must obey you, if they do not want to suffer in your hands.

HappyPagan:
To question , to reason, to challenge.... That would you make you a devil.

God has never been against Reasonable Questions and Challenging and He Answered All of them eg Moses at the burning bush, Jonah and the Tree, Samuel in choosing a King, Christ vs. Nicodemus, Christ vs the Pharisees and Scribes etc.

God was Never Against Any Reasonable Questions or Query but any query born out of wrong or wickedness or evil is Unacceptable, even men do not accept such wicked and evil challenge. They are Stupid and Foolish and Unacceptable.

HappyPagan:
....

To Obey The Lord is the whole Duty and Obligation of man. To Obey Only.

17 ...., Remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,... as this son of Satan has come to fulfill?

The Lord God is Coming!

live4dgospel:
Unfortunately none of your quotations about "commandment" talks about the law given through Moses. This is where your mistaken faith originates from.
What is the "commandment" in your quotations?

yea, there is another Commandment other than The Commandments God gave Moses?

live4dgospel:
Even your verses contradict you.

Verse 5 makes it clear what the commandment is

"And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another."

Is "Love one another" not Exodus 20:12-17.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: ...
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.?

If you Truly Inteded keeping The Law and Obeying The Lord God, you would have seen and known that every Admonishing in the Bible is a declaration and Expression of The Commandments given to Moses.

If ye keep The Law, it is for thyself, if you keep not The Law, it is also for thyself!

Ortintin:
Are most crimes not sins?

No they are not, because evil bastards have hijacked laws and made some sins not to be crimes eg "Loss" as a result of the use of the Post Office or Banks etc.

But all sins are supposed to be crimes but again, evil doers will not like that.

Elizersalifu:
No one is imprisoned for sin. People are imprisoned for their crime.
There's a difference btw sin and crime. While the former is committed against God, the latter is against the state.

The highlighted! That's what the law books want you to know.
All Sins are crimes and all hurtings, woundings and injuries against a person is the True Definition of Crime, which is why the Bible used "Trespass".

It is not really an offence against state (who the air is that?) but rather an offence against Person, person or persons.

Ortintin:
So I was wondering if someone goes to jail for a crime he commited will God still judge him for that crime on Judgement day?

The criminal in prison is only paying for the crimes he was charged and found guilty by men's courts whether rightly or wrongly.

On Judgement Day, it is A Day for the Hearing and Trial of All Crimes/Offences/Sins as recorded throughout the living of every soul.

seiyefajohn:
I woke-up to the sad news of the death of one of God's generals T. B Joshua.May his soul rest in peace.

If Jesus died, my mother Martha died, Dare Adeboye died & T. B Joshua has died, who will not die ni?

The Creator of all said they are "Sleeping"!

live4dgospel:
The law is holy and good but no man can keep it to be redeemed.

Oh, I see your problem, you do not see neither were you told nor did you hear that Keeping The Law is the First Step towards Salvation.

live4dgospel:
And there is no place in the Bible where the Apostles or Jesus said we must keep the law to be saved. If you have any please refer me to it...

2 John 5 and 6 especially 6:
"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.".That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 5:2-3:
..., when we love God, and keep his commandments.

For this is the love of God, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:

James 2: 8
"If ye Fulfill The Royal Law According to the Scripture,

John 14: 15 "if ye love Me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"

Paul's Writings are Lawyers Language and like every Lawyers document it can not be accurately and correctly read by ordinary folks which was why Peter Warned that Paul's Writings are hard to be understood by those who are not learners in Law!

And you are not learned in Law, hence you have erroneously read and interpreted a Legal Document.

But I know you guys want to interprete it as such because, you can not bear the True alternative Legal Interpretation.

truespeak:
Oh boy! You too see am?

Ah! I see am oh! I blow many of his relays, i.cs. and brainbox yesterday (you missed) so I am not surprised to see the madness today.

BassReeves:
God is dead and remains dead because we, a debased, corrupt, amoral penterascal church and all, have killed God from practising a religion of, no true and pure religion observing religion(s) God finds fault(s) and flaw(s) with, participating in a religion of intolerance, parochialism, bigotry, discrimination, prejudice, legalism etcetera.

Wow! you have become possessed with insanity and madness. So Because Corolla and Camry bash and crash into each other, they have therefore killed Mr. Toyoda?

greencard:
We do ask for forgiveness after we felt we might have sin and God might not be happy with us
But how are we so sure that sin has been forgiven by God ?

Oh, you would know... if you keep checking!