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Merry100:
Your generalization is completely invalid. Assumptions, whether individual or collective, are not facts. Facts require evidence.

Less than 10% of Nigeria population can boast of having 10 million naira and above?

In the absence of widespread gold, how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that the majority of women are gold diggers?

Given Nigeria's economic reality, there isn't even enough "gold" in circulation for most women to dig. The majority of Nigerian women don't have access to gold, so your claim is not logical. You can't accuse the majority of women of something they haven't done based on assumptions about what you think they would do.

These threads prove you are a liar.

https://www.nairaland.com/4155106/why-more-nigerian-girls-becoming#62035529

https://www.nairaland.com/1146407/men-blamed-female-gold-diggers#13607224

https://www.nairaland.com/2985435/counter-thread-why-lagos-ladies#43701461

And where before you said that women should be financially prepared to come to the table now you are trying to defend gold diggers. And you were saying that not all women.

As I always, na phu dey biliv woman

kppo:
I think it means to be one with nature just like animals who live in balance with nature.

Uh oh!
What does it mean to be one with nature? And if it is what I think, then your answer is nullified by the fact that many today would claim one with nature with their knowledge of good and evil.

Merry100:
Fair point on tone. That said, I don't agree with how your comment came across as a generalization either. My point is simply that it is important for both sides to be reasonably prepared, especially financially, before marriage.

Generalization is as a result of the majority conduct, so we must generalize. And in every generalization we are aware of its exceptionalization. However, the exception is the one with the burden of proving itself.

And nonetheless your point is correct.

Roycemadeit:
Funny 🤣

I weak you shey? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

SpyMaster1:
Hahahahahahaha! 😂😂😂
Oh my chest! How very funny 😁😁😁
Let me breathe first... Hoohoo 😂😂
It's always fun watching heavily indoctrinated Christians like you tie yourselves in knots.

You laugh like a clown because you have nothing left. Instead of defending your weak "inference," you run to ad hominem, deflection, and more laughter because the plain text of Ecclesiastes is destroying your fairy tale.

Let me make it .!

Hahahahahahaha! 😂😂😂.

O boy, forget it.😁
You can't turn your goofing mistake around. 😁 And you are just making it worse by asking me to defend inference when the ink of you wailing about removing inference so that we use only literal words has not even dried yet! 😁😁😁

Not to talk of your attempt to reverse my laughing at you. 😁 😁🤣

Nor to talk about your vain repetitions that have already been addressed 🤣🤣🤣

You never had anything to say other than to dodge, deny and repeat as there is no ground sustaining your opinion, so now you are crying for the mistake you have been making since. hahahaha 😁🤣🤣🤣

Merry100:
The problem with many of you is that you assume every woman is like your sisters or girlfriends who aren't intentional about their lives.

Ad hominem/ad feminam fallacy.

tctrills:
I did not abuse you sir. You said women are your slaves. I assumed your mother is a woman. That simply makes her your slave.
Unless you are saying that other women except your mother are slaves. Or unless your mother is a man.

I would never have called your mother a slave if you didn't indicate that.

Save your excuse and lies for Judgement Day

tctrills:
So, inequality is equal to slavery?...

See how you are so used to perversions, is that what i said?

Pukkalolo:
True.

The ones who accept the truth early are the ones who eventually heal and level up.

Exactly

tctrills:
Your point is that anything written on a nairaland thread is fact right?
Can you mention one law in the UK that enforces gender inequality?
Again, if there is gender inequality, which gender is the favoured one?
In the US and UK, the female gender is favoured not the male. So you can make the argument that the man is the slave there.

You can ask Google

tctrills:
Just one question for you, is inequality equal to slavery?

Slavery is a sign and indication of inequality.

tctrills:
This is not emotional blackmail. You by your own affirmation called your mother a slave.
You said Gid cured your mother to be a slave. So this isn't emotional blackmail. It is what you believe.
You treat your mom like a slave but some of us adore our mothers

Google says
Emotional blackmail is a potent form of manipulation and a type fallacy where an individual uses Fear, Obligation, or Guilt (FOG) Lies, Insalts, Intimidation and Harassment to control another person's behavior, rather than using valid reasoning or evidence to support their demands

So, the bottom line is since you cannot make any reasonable argument you have resorted to lies, abuse and blackmail. A case of

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates

When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. -Marcus Tullius Cicero 😁😁😁😁

Roycemadeit:
Once again. I apologize.

And I would always apologize.

Let me use an analogy. [b]According to the book, God caused a woman to suffer pain in childbirth. Humanity answered with anesthesia, medicine, and safer delivery.

Answer, not cure and your Google still says that "Global maternal mortality remains critically high, with an estimated 260,000 women dying from pregnancy or childbirth-related causes in 2023—"...

Plus, your answer is only accessible by the rich and yet they still die .

https://www.nairaland.com/1931154/wasiu-ayindes-dancer-kemi-omotoyinbo#26821647

https://www.nairaland.com/8195590/sharon-okpamen-dies-after-childbirth#131688663

Plus, painful delivery is not the only cus that God gave

Roycemadeit:
So when I mention places like Turkey, once deeply Christian, or Syria, with ancient Christian roots, and someone replies, “The Bible foretold it,” I hear ...................... disguised as insight. If suffering, decline, persecution, or civilizational change are simply to be accepted because they were predicted, then thought itself becomes useless.

And there is a deeper problem. Turkey was Islamized centuries ago. Generations have been born into a different faith through history, not personal conspiracy. If salvation depends on believing in Jesus in the approved way, then countless people are swept toward hell largely by birthplace and inheritance.

One could then assume that this is divine justice, or a system arranged so that not everyone was ever meant to make heaven!!!

Now you have moved away from topic of why God is silent to "salvation of people born in non Christian countries. If you are interested in that been addressed by several threads here.

Roycemadeit:
Snakes never eat sand, neither is every man tilling the ground.

Now you have changed post. But just for your info, It said dust, not sand and if you had played on the sand, you would know that you must eat dust.

Then on tilling the ground, is every work done by men, not on the ground? And they must fall into farming or mining.

tctrills:
What gender inequality are you talking about my boy?
If billions treat their women right and with respect, they are not practicing inequality.
Lastly, with the exception of some Muslim countries, mention any rights men have that women don't?
How is the average Nigerian man not equal to the average woman?

Please answer.

Today, in Europe and the US, women seem to have more rights than men, are you saying that the curse of Eve did not get to Europe and America?

It is now you are seeing gender inequality? You should have kept on knocking your head on your billions who live in peace.

Anyway, Why did you not go and argue with those people on the threads i showed you? Go and argue with them.

And besides Google sayss
Yes, gender inequality persists in Europe and North America, despite significant progress.

I'm sure you will deny that you don't know the meaning of "still persists" plus how long it has been persisting.

But anyway, i don't care. Keep living in denial. Your denial does not stop God's curs on women

tctrills:
You call the word of God fallacy. And yet you claim to be a Christian..

fallacy ad baculum.
A fallacy that occurs when someone uses the threat of negative consequences—rather than reason or evidence—to compel acceptance of a conclusion.
It replaces logical argumentation with intimidation

Key Aspects of Ad Baculum:
Definition: It is an "appeal to force" or threat. Instead of proving a claim is true, the speaker suggests that failure to accept it will result in harm

tctrills:
You don't even know the meaning of facts. Facts can be proven with data. I asked you to provide data but you are not capable of things like that. I am not emotional, I am data driven..

Off Point. And your fallacy up here proves that you have lost logic and reasonability.

tctrills:
Oga you think your wife, mother and daughter are cursed to be your slaves that's more than enough evidence that you have zero respect and you show them no dignity.

You do not love them, to you, they are just property.
You believe God gave them to you as tools.

Let me prove my point with a very clear straight forward question. Do you think God cursed your mother, daughter and sisters to be slaves.[/b]

We both know you can never answer the question above because it will make you a monster. Answer the question and that ends the argument.

Now you resort to emotional blackmail and insalt the fallacy of ad hominem/ad feminam/ appealing to every emotional blackmail using women since God blackmail did not work.

All still the same fallacy of replacing logical argumentation with intimidation and blackmail since you real eyes that you cannot make any reasonable argument at all

tctrills:
You had no point. I asked you about billions of men and women who live in peace and treat each other with respect.

Now, your usual telling of lies when you don't have anything to say has started, then you wonder why I say that there is no way you can miss hel. (That aside)

The topic is not about the billions of men and women who live in peace bla bla bla That is you lying and changing post.

The topic was global gender inequality against women which you cannot deny hence your dodging and your perversion/changing of the issue.

Roycemadeit:
The idea that labor pain is some divine curse starts falling apart once you look at the body itself. Childbirth pain can already be explained by the baby’s large head, the narrow human pelvis, contractions, stretching, pressure, and all the physical strain involved, so there is no need to drag heaven into what anatomy already explains. Human biology created the difficulty, not a punishment story. What makes it even harder to defend is that modern science has gone far in reducing that pain through epidurals, surgery, better maternal care, and medical knowledge. If something was meant to stand forever as a curse, it is strange that human understanding keeps finding ways to weaken it. To me, that says knowledge has done more against suffering than fear ever did.

Labour pains isn't the only curse, in that Pronouncement.

Roycemadeit:
Damn. I apologize!

Since every suffering, killing, and kidnapping is excused because God supposedly said it beforehand, then compassion has no meaning, injustice becomes holy, and the dead are told they deserve it. As a humanist, that is the death of conscience dressed as faith.

Remember, it is written that every one will give account of their works and you heard that after all these God's Court would be raised to pass Judgement upon men. So just is, is covered

Then, when a house is marked for demolition it makes no sense fixing anything in it. So, you just have to wait for God or you can try and do what you can to stop it but even you yourself know that it is futile

Publiuscrassus:
Another word for legalized Conversion

Stealing.

Say stealing.

This is where you see govt cannot punish itself and that your constitutions and legal things are lying

tctrills:
You are not making any point here. According to you, men only complain when women have equality. Please can you provide the stats to back this wild claim? Some of us are too educated to believe nonsense that can't be backed up with numbers and studies.

Now, what about the billions of happy families, men and women, not complaining but loving each other, not making slaves out of the other, but respecting their partner. I am sure you don't see that...

See perversion and twisting.

I clearly said "Men complaining about women does not even tilt the global gender inequality against women. If anything the men complaining are even the ones who gave their women equality and have found that the women don't deserve it"

Yet see how you dodged it and fled from the point to zoom on a non issue

tctrills:
There is a curse for anyone that adds to the revelations of God and it's many times greater than that of Eve.

Now you resort to fallacy ad baculum because you cannot counter.

tctrills:
She was never cursed we slavery

Denial does not change the facts


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tctrills:
God expects you to love and honour your wife not to treat her like a slave.

If your father before you treated your mother as his slave, it's your responsibility to break that curse with your wife.

I give my wife respect and treat her as an equal and she deserves it. Your wife also deserves it. Stop treating her like trash.

Off Point and stop deflecting

tctrills:
And please, stop blaming God when you mistreat your woman

Where did you see me mistreat my wife not to talk of blaming God?

Please stop Lying and deflecting!

SpyMaster1:
The ignorance, brainwashing, and indoctrination is really strong with you.

You accuse me of bias and prejudice, yet you're so deeply indoctrinated by religious dogma that you can't read Ecclesiastes honestly. Your mind has been trained to twist every skeptical word into a comforting "Solomon rebelled against God and lost, so fear Him" fairy tale. That's classic brainwashing you see what you were indoctrinated to see, not what the text actually says.

The Preacher never confesses rebellion. He never says he tried to shake off God's hand or prove God is dispensable. He simply describes trying pleasure, building houses, planting vineyards, taking whatever his heart desired and concludes that everything is vanity. Life under the sun feels meaningless. Death levels everyone equally. He even doubts the afterlife with "Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward...?" (Eccl 3:19-21).

But your indoctrinated mind refuses to accept the plain despair and skepticism. Instead, you invent wild "inferences" and mental gymnastics because the raw honesty threatens your beliefs. 12 chapters of deep existential futility, then suddenly in the very last two verses someone slaps on "Fear God and keep His commandments, God will judge every secret thing."
Any honest person can see how clumsily tacked-on that pious ending is clearly a later editor trying to "fix" the bleakness. But your brainwashed and indoctrinated worldview won't allow you to admit it.

I'm not the one with confirmation bias. You are. Your ignorance and religious indoctrination make you incapable of engaging with the text as it is you must rewrite it to protect your fragile faith.
So stop the empty attacks and answer this honestly, if your indoctrination allows:

If the main point was really "I rebelled against God and failed, so fear Him," why did the writer spend 12 chapters on despair and doubt, only adding the religious conclusion in the final two verses like an afterthought?
Why do you need such heavy inference and mental gymnastics instead of letting the book speak for itself?

Deal with the actual words on the page instead of hiding behind your brainwashed "inference" nonsense and attacking atheists.

Hahahahahahaha! Oh my chest😁. How very funny 😁😁. Hoohoo. Let me breathe first. 😁😁😁.

Its always fun engaging you atheists..😁

Now that you see that you cannot deny that inference is a part and parcel of reading any literature and that you have no reasonable ground to sustain your bias besides repetition, you have now resorted to deflection and ad hominem fallacy and fallacy of reversing the burden of proof 😁😁😁

So you see, you have have used your own hand to confirm your impenitence and unreasonable bias and everything i told you that you were doing by now complaining that we should remove inference from a written document just because you don't like the meaning the inference has given. 😁😁😁

Meanwhile, you yourself are still making inferences from that document itself 😁😁 eg you say he says "Life under the sun feels meaningless". Meanwhile the preacher did not literally say so but you inferred it. Yet you complain that I should not use inference. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Who does not put inference in a written thing? Even all the threads and posts here are subjected to inference exactly as you inferred that my post to you on impertinence was me preaching to you whereas, i was inferring another thing.😁

So, you see, its your mistake and fallt and that is why you atheists are always wrong and the wrong. 😁 😁 😁😁🤣

SpyMaster1:
😂😂😂
Now you're posting sermon threads about "impenitence" and "hardened hearts" because you can't defend your weak interpretation with actual arguments?
The ignorance and religious indoctrination is truly next level with you.

Instead of addressing the plain text of Ecclesiastes the 12 chapters of raw "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity", the repeated despair, the doubt about the afterlife, and the clumsily tacked-on pious ending in the last two verses you run to a church sermon about "hardened hearts" and "refusing to repent."

That's not debate. That's brainwashed deflection. Your mind is so deeply indoctrinated that whenever the Bible says something skeptical or uncomfortable, you immediately label it "impenitence" and accuse the reader of resisting God. Classic religious coping mechanism.

The Preacher spent most of the book staring into the meaninglessness of life under the sun and calling it exactly what it is: futile. But you can't handle that honesty, so you twist the whole thing into "Solomon rebelled, God punished him, now confess and fear God."
Newsflash: That's your softened, brainwashed heart talking the one that refuses to accept what the text actually says because it threatens your comforting fairy tale that "God rules and His will will always be done."

I'm not the one with a hardened heart. You're the one with a hardened mind so indoctrinated that you can't engage with the skepticism in Ecclesiastes without running to sermons and calling it "impenitence."

See, how denial rules you.

Every reasonable person can see that i am saying that you are impenitent, meaning "a hardened state of a heart that refuses to repent, even when confronted with truth. It resists correction, ignores conviction" yet you expect me to keep arguing with you, how is that possible? I know you atheists believe in disobedience and breaking bounds but we Christians are bound by reasonability and I will never go beyond that. And that i have expressed since the beginning when I saw your bias hence why I said since April 15 "This is a case of you refusing to see and accept the Truth right in front of you".

Not to talk of the fact that since the 15th i have already addressed the Ecclesiastes issue and I raised an observation in it but you found it painful and uncomfortable and went into denial of it, yet you are lying that I did not.

Textbook atheists dodging antic when they meet a Truth they can't puncture.

So, you are just in panick mode thinking that I am trying to convert you but no, that is my personal joke for i wish every atheists to live and ☠️in their atheism. I love watching all that you people live through and ☠️ through and the afflictions you people silently carry as you know that we Christians are waiting to laugh at you. 😁😁😁. But you people do not know that we are already laughing as we see all that you are going through. 😁😁😁

So, son i don't care about your repentance. Your atheism is more entertaining to me 😁😁😁

tctrills:
God did not curse Eve with slavery, unless we use different Bibles. And you just called the woman a slave again by claiming God cursed her to be so.
Please. It is not the world that says women have no value and cannot be given respect. It is only evil people who think that way. Billions of men respect their women; we show love and kindness. It's a pity you grew up in darkness, and you only have evil examples now; you think the whole world is like your family and friends

O dear, the literalist. did you never wonder about the words "people have eyes yet they do not see/he who has eyes let him see?

So because God did not directly say that "the woman shall serve the man" do you not see the words that infer it?

Same way you missed God condemned slavery and polygamy https://www.nairaland.com/7554359/god-condemned-slavery-7-bible#120625456

https://www.nairaland.com/8224849/god-through-bible-what-stopped.slavery#132191707

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Same thing in the curses God laid on Eve. There are many curses loaded in it that is affecting womankind and that is what the whole world is responding to.

And if you want to see,, you would see that even the women are behaving in accordance with them all which is why they behave in certain ways around men and they hate men like Darwin said they are jealous of a man.

https://www.nairaland.com/8364440/eve-completely-burnt-womens-graces

https://www.nairaland.com/8069879/another-proof-eves-adultery-mens

So, you see people are only responding to what is there and yes ivu men made it worse plus many a men gave women respect and equality and the women showed that they do not deserve it. It is all coming from the curses God laid on Eve

AllBlack:
God's secretary has spoken. Case closed

Another rubbish post to remind men of sex so that they can open up to the devu

Merry100:
Some people fail to distinguish between valuing stability and gold digging. Many women simply value stability. It is irresponsible for a man or woman to enter marriage without being reasonably prepared for its responsibilities. That is why many responsible people, both men and women, focus on achieving their core goals before marriage because they understand the importance of building a good life.

Lies!
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Why don't you people stabilize yourself?

Escabado:
I have this big ass Nebor that has been stylishly been giving me green light . All the time she keeps saying she wants to cook for me . At a time she opened to me that's she is broke at the moment that even money to chop say she no get . Now she is suggesting she comes to my place tomorrow to cook for me and also take some part of the food to her place while seems cool but the issue now is I don't trust people easily but one mind is telling me to allow her to do the cooking . Mind you I no wan nak her. She is just a girl I noticed that's into me and from what I'm seeing she likes me. One mine is telling me to just send her some money so she can find something to eat . She helps me atimes with house chores but to this extent of cooking a good I will eat . I'm not really comfortable with it . We all know the country we live in . To avoid story . So guys in the house what do you really think I should do in this situation

But you are used to women and can handle their stories just like the ghana big ya.

A Christian wife who cheats is no longer a Christian wife and God won't forgive her. Unless she was never a Christian before which means her case don settle since and God no send am.

So whether you confess or not God must expose you.

voortrekker966:
A woman spending on a man doesn't guarantee the woman is meant for the man. Women also use money to hook men when they are desperate for marriage. Once in the marriage, they withdraw that financial support or start disparaging the men.

Yep

Buying a husband tings

Lies!

Hiv won't stop you from having more sex