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FatherOfJesus:
You ran away from it. You can’t answer

I had settled my question nice and neat and you went on to engage another at Re: A Simple Question For Christians. by FatherOfJesus: 4:15pm On Dec 13
Ihedinobi3:
See it at all: 4:01pm On Dec 13 to 4:15pm

FatherOfJesus:
I can say because you presented your opinion about believing the Bible which is not accepted by many, same way you do no accept the opinion of scientist and I’m saying that I share both of your opinions in a different manner (I’m sure a lot of people also do). my opinion says that the same power fueled the Moses story and evolution, every opinion matters here unless proven otherwise.

So why do you think the power that fueled the former cannot fueling the latter?

Change of Post!
Your Question here is about an explaning How and Why we believe "Moses dropped a stick which turned to a snake" and Not About the Acceptance of the Statements in the Bible!.

Just a little word on Acceptance! Acceptance and Rejection is An Personal Right that should not be interfered with. Like a bed, every soul is entitled to make and unmake his bed, as his soul desireth.

But if you ask me my own opinion, I would be happy to disclose it but I Very Much Respect that every person is free to Reject my Opinion!

Eg. Right now you can choose to believe that this is night time in Nigeria and No One can change it and I would not even think of doing so.
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The Records In Nairaland Call You a Liar!

JoeEeL:
This way of reasoning is too low for my liking. Honestly, I can't engage you. It'd be tantamount to a colossal waste of my time. Besides I just checked your moniker and you were not the one I earlier addressed.

I have made research for years and all you could say is 'movielona'? Don't you have google on your phone to at least make a modicum of research or are religious zombies just wantonly dumb? Anyway, I have come across your types in hundreds: excos, preachers, 'faith' healers etc., and not one was able to win me in an argument. Not one. So you make no difference, especially considering how many of you spew garbage across the same lines.

No offence pls.

None taken and neither did I intend to give offence either.

This is the thing, from your statement all that you know comes from Google, whom you are older than.

The Unadulterated Truth is in the past older than Google and some of us lived to see them and we saw all their Transition.

Google is only a library containing both good and bad information, both Lies And Truths and if you do not know that which is True, you are Already Deceived.

The Truth Always Stands the Fire of Examination, Lies Burn Out!

The Lies you see now and believe were planted in the 80s So any one born in the 80s are the Last People who knew the Truth of this world after that you are all children born in Lies hence why you struggle to understand the things which are True.

The Truth is in the Past, in people not in google. We are all drivers on this wicked road and any driver who crashes and burns it is he alone that shall bear it

We fellow drivers are only counseling each other on how we may avoid crash and burns. That's All.

JoeEeL:
Do you know what you're talking like? I'll tell you. You're talking like a bot. You may think it is intelligence and perception but in truth, this is the product of brainwashing... usually infused into the brain of an infant, usually at its tender stages when it is just developing. Then you grow up and become what you are today. Very likely your mom and dad are christians, thats largely why you're one. If you were born in far away India, 75% chance you'd be a Hinduist. If you were born in Northern Nigeria, 90% chance you'll be a hijab-wearing muslim and if you were born in South West Nigeria, 500 years before the white man and Islam came, 95% chance you'd be a traditional worshipper. 5% chance you'd be an agnostic / atheist like me. And 0% chance you'd be a Christian.

The difference between Ground and Sea is known or can be ascertained, also Pepper different from Tomato and Any who cares to see the difference will see it, even if any one tells you otherwise.

You can not take vaccine for another person's corona, let Hindu and Muslim defend themselves. No armed robber reasonably abandons his own case to go defending another, so either defend yourself or condemn your self.

You can not be an Accused and a lawyer in the same court.

JoeEeL:
What's my point? Simple. You religious zealots need to tone down your noise as if you've got overwhelming proof of whatever fantasies you guys promulgate.

Now You have All Shifted Positions, Glory to God!

First, from "Proof", straight to the Unreasonable Demand of "Overwhelming Proof", which means we have Proven but now you have unreasonably increased the Standard and Burden of Proof!

He who does not heed warnings loves suffering, pain and death.

JoeEeL:
I patiently combed through your words, I didnt find one single evidence. Just one, of your proof of an eternal burning hell with one soul burning there currently. Neither do you have proof of heaven as well with a single soul found there

In your mind you have made a reasonable demand that any reasonable person can answer.

The Proof of hell is Clearly Seen on earth rather felt when you steal a wicked man's thing or when a married man sleeps with a slay mama or when you have had sex with a prostitute and then you refused to pay, oh on those days you would know that hell is Real!

The Proof of heaven is Clearly Seen on earth rather felt when are very very sick or when your Wicked Rulers send caterpillars to destroy your house while you were sleeping and your work place.

I have Now Provided Single Proofs!

JoeEeL:
In the smartphone age we are now, no single image or video of either the devil, demons, angel, god, hell, heaven, holy spirit but just 2000 years ago during Jesus' time, it was very easy to encounter the unnatural right? People walking on water, leper's hand becoming whole, people ascending into the skies, fire coming down from heaven and sitting on people's heads, angels visiting people, and even graveyards bursting open and dead men arising and walking amongst the living. BUT THEN, THERE WERE NO PHONES, NO INTERNET.

Why is it now we have devices to capture all these earth-shattering events that they all went missing? How convenient!

Circus Centre Ring, Rent-A-Ghost, Some mother's do have em, Isreal's Return to the Middle East All have come and gone.

Same for you, you can never be a baby again, it is Gone Forever, that is the way of the world so all that you have said is foolishness.

JoeEeL:
Finally, there is nothing like silly proof of endtimes. All what you've mentioned have at one point in time or the other happened on larger scales. There's been nothing less than at least, 3 ice ages that have rocked the world, in which temperatures went subzero for protracted periods and foresaw the extinction of famous animals like the sabertooth and mammoth


The earth has witnessed multiple meteor impacts. And it survived. Have you witnessed a meteor impact. No.
And you're making noise.

There's been the craziest supervolcanoes: one at Yellowstone, stretching across Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. And the largest at Lake Toba, North Sumatra, Indonesia which ejected megatons of poisonous lead and sulphur oxides that contaminated swathes of air and waters and formed vast gigantic ash up in the clouds, reflecting sunlight away from the earth for nearly 2 years straight, with plants and animals dying and the human population shrinking down to almost 75000.

ah, I see you suffer from Movielomia, I Prescribe 1 year in the village of Ekrakpame with no internet, you would be normal again.

JoeEeL:
I do not want to mention wars, pandemics and other natural disasters that have once rocked the earth, yet the human race as well as animals have found ways to adapt and survive, even if their numbers got reduced drastically. So any next time you zealots want to prove your point, it usually is better to skip the already worn out 'pestilences, diseases, wars -- as proof of end times'.

Thank you.

We told you that there would be wars and you have confirmed that indeed it has happened but those were only the introductory acts, the events of today is only the beginning of the movie, More is Coming.

It is not as if you would change even if tsunami takes away your house, you are Cursed to rain blasphemies upon The Lord, Exactly As it is Written, Nevertheless, All That is Written is Being Done and it Shall be Fully Done!

Tribulation is Trouble-lation that is Much Troubles!

xproducer:
"The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." - Psalm 51:17

"Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah." - Psalm 62:8

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." - Hebrews 11:6

Yes, but the prayer of a sinner is an Abomination!

Clear the sin, do not add to it but Do Only the Right and Good, (God's Right and Good Not Your Own)

While doing all these, then Wait on The Lord, though these are the days of Trouble-lations!

Family is from the notion of Familiar which is why Strangers are different from Familiars.

And Strangers can become Familiar hence Family

Modified!
As in Familee!

truespeak:
Wooah! This is Great Info!

You sent me on this way. I can see more connections which I would bring when done.

UsmanBabaIdris:
The laws have changed but the bible is still there! The bible should provide justification for issues it raised, and not saddle ancient customs for evidence.

The Laws have not changed for they are unchangable and everything there is Justified and some Evidence can still be seen tomorrow!

It is rather men who changed by doing more and more wicked things, yet hoping God will not punish them!

TheWalkingMind:
Shining your teeth won't hide your ignorance

Knowledge makes a man grin leaving the fool cursing his back.

UsmanBabaIdris:
So how much have you followed this noble commandment?

You would not know!

FatherOfJesus:
you skipped your own question to answer some else’s question.

I have finished my question paper so I had some time to assist another with his questions.

TheWalkingMind:
Young man, Jesus wasn't the one that spoke to Moses.

Repeating your statement will not make it heavy, but I understand you are not able to bear the import and impact of that information, it's too much for your soul!

FatherOfJesus:
Why should we take the Bible for its word and disregard what scientists say?

Note that you can’t make any reasonable point by presenting any Bible passage. It doesn’t hold water against an argument against the Bible

Scientists Only Look at what was Created and talk about it All day long. The Bible Pases Information which the Creator and Owner Of The World wants Us to be Aware of.

It is a take it or leave it affair, just as a child has power to refuse to listen to his parents counsel.

It's as simple as that!

sinkhole:
So, Uwa deserved to die, as she did not prepare well for God to defend her?

As if you care for her!

If my car crashes into my other car or cars, they are all my cars and I will deal with the crasher and the crashed at my time.

No other car not affected by the crash has a Right To Complain. For they are all my cars.

So it is with The Lord, All Souls are His and He said that He Shall Deal with Them All!

bigjackass:
Now let's assume that such a parent exists on this earth. If you were the child in question, how will you feel about this your father who watched you get molested and did nothing? Will you embrace this father afterwards and go back to his house and live happily ever after?

The child knows she is a Fool who got what was the Direct and Reasonably Expectable Consequence of her Foolishness.

Go to police station and see their faces, which of them can go near their father when he comes?

Which Father who has gone through your scenario shall go to the station to look at her?

No not One, not even you. You shall have Nothing to do with her!

Death and Destruction is for the Fool!

bigjackass:
Imagine you have a daughter who doesn't listen when you tell her not to wear skimpy clothing. Not to keep bad friends. Not to go clubbing. Not to stay out late. One day you walk into a situation where this your daughter is about to get raped by a man or some men. Then you stay back and observe the situation while your daughter is getting raped. You don't do anything. After raping your daughter they snap her nudes and walk away. Then after they leave, you now to over to your weeping daughter and console her, telling her that you saw all what happened and you did nothing because you wanted her to learn the lesson of not wearing skimpy clothing, etc.

Is there any parent capable of such an act?

Yes, I!

Why?

Because as The Law says "A man or in this case a woman intends the Consequences of his Act after Several Warnings"!

Therefore, he who puts his hand in fire wants to get burnt, he who jumps into the sea, wants to get wet, he who drinks and drives, wants to kill himself, he who smokes, wants to kill himself, he who drinks sniper, wants to kill himself.

So also she who wears miniskirts Must Want To Get F***d!

It's as simple as that!

TheWalkingMind:
And that translates to Jesus?

You need help

Yes! If not you would be suggesting that there are 2 "The Lord"!

One in what you call Old Testament and Another in what you call the New Testament!

FatherOfJesus:
I can say because you presented your opinion about believing the Bible which is not accepted by many, same way you do no accept the opinion of scientist and I’m saying that I share both of your opinions in a different manner (I’m sure a lot of people also do). my opinion says that the same power fueled the Moses story and evolution, every opinion matters here unless proven otherwise.

So why do you think the power that fueled the former cannot fueling the latter?

Change of Post!
Your Question here is about an explaning How and Why we believe "Moses dropped a stick which turned to a snake" and Not About the Acceptance of the Statements in the Bible!.

Just a little word on Acceptance! Acceptance and Rejection is An Personal Right that should not be interfered with. Like a bed, every soul is entitled to make and unmake his bed, as his soul desireth.

But if you ask me my own opinion, I would be happy to disclose it but I Very Much Respect that every person is free to Reject my Opinion!

Eg. Right now you can choose to believe that this is night time in Nigeria and No One can change it and I would not even think of doing so.

FatherOfJesus:
Science learns everyday, so I’m saying that the power that made Moses magic happen also caused evolution.

If you can’t disprove it, it means that if Moses story is true then Evolution must also be true.

So how do intend justifying Moses story over evolution in this scenario?

Science learns? is it science that needs to learn or you, the unknowing man?

'so I’m saying"- You Can Not Say, for you are not the scientists who Observed anything!

No further Reasonable Question!

FatherOfJesus:
So I agree that a power made Moses magic happened, I also say that the same power made evolution happen.

How do you propose to disprove that the power didn’t make evolution happen without appealing to authority?

You can not say, for you are not the scientists who did the magic of evolution.

The scientists who did the magic of evolution CLEARLY SAID HE OBSERVED!

So, Dead on Arrival!

FatherOfJesus:
So why do you think scientist didn’t also do it with the power Moses used?

your scientists Never Claimed So and we already know that the power they used is the power of Observation which All Men have.

I Guarantee, you did not know that saying Scientists is Weakness for Science means To Know!

FatherOfJesus:
Why do you believe in the story of Moses dropping a stick that turned into a snake in seconds but do not believe that humans evolved from ancient Apes in million years?

Please I will only attend to objective answers.

Because Moses did not do it by his own will or pleasure and desire, he did not even want to go there. But because A Powerful Person Commanded him to do that!

The Evolution poo came up because people like you can not afford to allow people know The Truth, for you would no longer be able to Steal the Properties of Other people and make Unlawful Gains, so you all need to lie.

And your ground for Lying is because you saw that monkeys, chimps and co, look and resemble the man.

Therefore, it was very convenient to come up with the poo theory!

If that is so, it can also be argued that monkeys evolved from the man and all the watery poo that you guys spill in support can be equally placed on this side of the equation.

MaryEde:
Some of you may know some of you may not know...there's something called the Crusades that lasted for over 400 years well(you can do your own research) to roughly put the Crusades were movement from the Church or the now Catholic Church that led to killings of non Christian at the time they wanted to expand their region and spread the word of god but instead they forced it on people it was like this "accept our God or you die" this went on for 4 centuries 3 million died in the Spanish inquisition alone Islamic brethren then known as Saracens were killed for being Islam and not believing in Christianity...now you believers of today what do you think are you going to refute this morbid atrocity claiming that "they are not true Christians" or "times were different" no way you look at it Christianity as tainted the world

It is not Christianity or anything that did those evil things, it was Wicked men who did taking the opportunity of whatever philosophy or movement that is popular to take advantage of Making Private Gains and killing their enemies who knew that their plan was to acquire gain.

Check it out, All of them who partook in these atrocities became Rich and Influential Bastards. Many of whom you read about and praise today.

Tcwork:
Cool.. I believe that does it. Thanks

You're welcome!

truespeak:
Firing on!

Accord is A' Cord or A Cord, A Rope for binding (A bind)!

Which is why in Marriage we have "Marriage Bands" as in "Marriage Ties"! Tied with A Cord! Wow!

Which is why in the past A Cord was used to Tie the hands of the Couple. Wow.

It was meant to Show That they were Bound, hence the word "Bound in Matrimony"! Wow!

Which also Proves the Truth of God and spirit in that a man and his womb-man are bound by God in the words "What (or rather who) God hath joined Together", such are put in Cords that God Made, hence "Tied or Bound by God" Wow!

This is sweet knowledge!

truespeak:
Firing on!

Accord is A' Cord or A Cord, A Rope for binding (A bind)!

Discover is Disturbed Cover! Which is to disturb the cover of a thing!

When ill, it is said you get "closer to God". This is because you become more spirit whom you truly are and less flesh!

Wow, wow, wow! you've got more? Wow! I would soon run out of wows!

Accord means A Cord! Wow
Which is why in Pirates of the Caribbean, they said "We have an A' Cord" which means Agreement.

Which is why in Law, Agreements are Binding, because A Cord Ties the Parties!

Which is why we say "You have Broken the Contracts" Because the defaulting party breaks "the Cord"! Wow.

Myer:
Well, apparently we're on the same page.

Meaning those who accused him of breaking the law were simply doing as he instructed them.

The only difference is while he believed he is the same God that instructed them, they didn't. But who can blame them? They never knew their generation would be the lucky generation to see God in the flesh.lol

However He saw that they have perverted The Law in that though they were saying keep the Sabbath, it was however not the same keep the Sabbath which God gave.

For the Sabbath is a Day of Joy, happiness, Rest, Laughter, and Everything that is Good, not for Deprivation of the hungry and shunning of Peoples, Doings of Wickedness.

Omooba77:
Do you believe in Miracles?

You are not supposed to believe in miracles, they are transient!

Just like you do not need to believe in orgasms, hunger, satisfaction etc It is either you have it or you do not have it.

truespeak:
Your Mrs Eve-Adam just settled my thought on why women take up the name of the man upon marriage.

It is because it is in Show of the Your Source, The Visual Proof of the Work of God.

In that while the man, Adam, Truly comes from God, the womb-man, (now woman) comes from the man.

Therefore, In Honour to God and the work of His Hands, the Woman Takes up the Name of 'her' man because, She Always Comes from 'Her' Man in Consonance of the Law, "He made them male and female; male and female created He them".

Thus, Eve came from Adam hence Mrs Eve from Adam Now put as Mrs Eve Adam.

Adam's surname would be Adam Godson (son of God)

This is why women take up the Husband's Name

Wow, wow, wow! Fire on girl, fire on!

Myer:
God himself gave the laws to moses that the sabbath should be sacrosanct.

Yet Jesus broke the same laws only to claim his lordship over the sabbath.

No Law has No Power over The Maker of it. The Power of The Law falls on those who are less than it.

Hence, The Lord, Who created The Law of the Sabbath, can not be expected to obey it or bound by it, it is for us, lesser people.

Just as a father commands "Everyone should be in the house by 10pm", Surely, that Commandment does not and cannot affect him. And he can come back at 12:30pm if he desires but no child can do so without Consequences!

UsmanBabaIdris:
Is there a biblical evidence for that?
A number of people (12 or more) invading a farm, is enough to depreciate the farm even if they didn't take anything away!

Beside, what made you people to ignore such a good custom, and see burning of thieves as something normal?

This is the Evidence and The Law.

Leviticus 19:9-10
"9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

So, No Stealing here as Tcwork told you, rather it is Provision for the poor and the stranger!

Aloba05:
Jesus is Lord over death and he was killed according to your bible and believe, that is contradictory, well...

How do you Prove that you are Fire Resistant?

You enter into the fire and come out!

So also, did The Lord to death, For to show us that He is Lord Over Death, First He showed us that Death was his servant, by Commanding Death to bring forth the person it had in its possession.

Then to increase the Standard and our Confidence, The Lord Also went into it and Came Out, To Show Us that it is Nothing and we should not fear it, If We Follow Him, For Death is His servant!

And therefore, The Lord Over Death!