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Negroid001:
All the long writeup. You just shot yourself in the leg.
You've confirmed what I'm trying to prove. Christainity is b******. Adapting pagan and folklore beliefs then calling it culture. That's why they're so much misleading diversity
White garment too that adapted traditional practices na culture abi?

And I realised I'm talking to a wall. Correction they never adapted pegan beliefs they simply overshadowed the darkness because that's what christ does, He brings light to the dark. Just to enlighten you a bit though I doubt it'll work.

The ealry church worked hard to celebrate Jesus as much as they could. Christ's death, his presentation to the temple, the message of the angle Gabriel, his sufferings and persecution, his transfiguration, and of course his birth. If they could celebrate Jesus they ensured they did. So every major event recorded in the bible about Jesus has a celebration date even his getting lost and being found by his parents. Everything has a date for celebration.

Again the only reason why Christmas blew up was because there was alresdy an existing event in Rome that fell around that time and in a bid to stop the oagsn worship, christmas was promoted insteadwhich eventualy replaced it. But for hundreds of years Jesus birthday had been celebrated by Christian communities. If the roman worship and celebration of the sun god had happened in April then it would have simply been Easter that would have replaced it.

So even though they followed the tradition of Jewish teachings to decide in a date, they already wanted to celebrate his birthday and just wanted some accuracy. If that calculation had ended up in September then Christmas woukd have been in September. The date itself was only set after the desire to have a date existed. At no point in time was pagan tradition the reason why Christmas was celebrated. It existed long before that.

Also yes, if the body if christ make a general decision it is approved, thats where the communial authority of the body of chirst shows its power. When the disciples decided that all christian converts sell their property and share, it wasnt Jesus that gave that rule, it was a communal decision. So many things we do today are communal decisions because Christianity isnt just a religion ins a way of life that takes over everything in its path including pagan traditions.

But again, i doubt this will make any dent in your disbelief. Thankfukly though, christianity and its traditions is too ancient to be shaken by people who came 2025 years after with their perosnal beliefs and a lack of knowledge of Christian history.

If anything Christmas has dominated the world as a general holiday. Even in countries that do not officially recognise it as a holiday, the realities of how much communal power Christmas and the celebration of the birth of Christ triggers in the whole world leaves enough mark to shake the world and show testimony to the beauty and glory of Christ's birth.

And if it leads people to think of and act for Christ, then I'll say Merry Christmas to you and may the light of His truth and the testament of His first coming enlighten you. Cheers!

Negroid001:
If you don't jump into conclusions you'd realize i mentioned what you just wasted your time explaining. Modern day santa has nothing to do with saint Nicholas. Modern day santa lives in the north pole, rides flying reindeers and has elfs has supporting staff. What has that got to do with the bible or christainity.


Enjoy your pagan holidays and belief.

Again if you did your research you'd know that all those additional information were commercialised when santa Clause was introduced to the US. The Dutch brought the tradition of saint Nicolas to the Americans and over time they commercialised it. Made screenplays about him, used him in ads and added modern day identity to make it more appealing to people. And because it didnt tamper with the original truth of Saint Nicolas Christian communities and leaders didn't oppose it. It's not pagan because its a modern retelling of a real life figure that gave gifts to children and families the eve of Christmas.

People like you refuse to see that there is culture and community in Christianity. These modern retelling of saint nick was very instrumental in the late 1800s and early 1900s in spreading Christianity. How can it be pagan when it reminds you of Christianity?

Besides santa Claus as a tradition did not start today or yesterday. Saint Nicolas lived in 400AD and the tradition of children asking him for gifts during Christmas existed right after his death. It's an ancient tradition that has existed along side Christmas since the days of the ealry church. It became super popular in Europe in the 1500s and 1600s and popular in the American in 1800s and 1900s but it has always been there. Like wise Christmas, the first report of ealry Christians celebrating Christmas was in 200AD long before Christianity even became political and was Influencing countries.

The ealry church and it's communities have been celebrating these events for centuries as an approved activity. Why because Christianity includes both biblical truths and Christian traditions and that's something modern pastors refuse to teach that the church for 2000 years had to create traditions and customs that defined them because the Bible didnt give them that. Instead they created traditions and customs in line with the realities, truths and wisdoms of the ealry church. And as long as it didnt contradict the Bible it was approved. One such tradition was celebrating the birthday of Jesus and then venerating saint Nicolas as a pioneer in promoting the christian Christmas spirit of selfless giving and community love.

I explained in detail how the ealry church choose 25th of December as christ birth in my earlier reply on this post all of which was decided upon within the first 100 to 200 years after Christ's death. You may want to read that and be informed.

Negroid001:
Another pagan incorporation into christainity.
People don't ask questions.

I asked my Crk teacher in Jss1 and he told me to not question God. One catholic babe in my class told me he is saint Nicholas, as how na😂. Went to the cyber cafe to do research and it's mixed information.
From sources citing European folklore origin back to the saint Nicholas bull****.

One thing is certain though. The Santa we know today with the red outfit was made popular from ads in the 1930's by coca cola. And before you know, christains absorb everything, including what they have no idea about the origin.

If you did your research well and didn't rely on your own knowledge you'd have found out that the name itself santa Clause is Latin for saint Nicolas. And if you researched enough you'd know that he was a real Bishop who gave secrete gifts usually the day before Christmas to poor people in his community. If you researched enough you'd know that celebrating saint Nicolas has been there for ages and it was the Dutch who introduced the tradition to the US who went on to commercialise it. If you researched well you'd have found out that is not in fact a modern day tradition but one that has existed since the 1000s. But of course you didn't research.

sprints1:
Santa means Satan it is a Christmas clown to amuse children, Christmas although a useless holiday just like st valentine' day b4 u come for me do your research. Jesus wasn't born on the 25th 25th is st. Nicolas day the man who shares gifts out of generousity it is a fabricated day to make it 7 days before new year which is another lie. January is not the new year. New year starts when the rain starts. Ciao

Everyone in the world knows jesus wasnt born in December but if you did your research well then you'd know that Christmas was choosen for multiple reasons.

As ealry as AD 204 Christians were alresdy celebrating Christmas. Thats just around 200 years after jesus died so its a very old tradition. The tradition was partly influenced by Jewish understanding. In that time period it was believed that prophets or people who served God died only on the day they were conceived not born o but when they were conceived in their mothers womb (it was an ancient belief dont come for me, I don't know why). Anyway according to catholic calculations Jesus died on the passover which is March 25 so 9 months after that would naturally be December 25th. So that was their first claim but then the catholic church likes to double down and have multiple reasons for doing things so the second reason was that the second half of December is generally when winter is cooling a little and there is more sunlight. So again the early church being very theological and reading meaning into things (much like how we read meaning into everything now) decided that since Christ is the light of the world then the later half of December when light is rising more was again a fitting time to exoress christ as the light of the world and they just stuck with 25th.

But the most popular reason came much later. When Christianity took over Rome it had one major issue which was the end of the year celebration of the sun god which was a pagan celebration but had become very intertwined with the roman people. So as much as rome had lots of Christians they still struggled with than end of year celebration which began 7 days before the end of the year (they already knew about astrology and how many days made a year at that time) anyway the Bishop of Rome then decided that they needed to do something about it but knew that saying it was bad or condemning it would cause many issues with the converts. So since the date coincided with the ancient celebration of Christmas, the decree was made saying that rather than worshiping the sun god celebrate the son of God's birthday. That's the most popular event that most people remember about choosing Dec 25th as Christmas even though it had already existed for years before that event.

Now saint Nicolas actually existed and he was a Bishop of modern day Turkiey. He was a charitable Bishop that gave gifts in secret. The modern remake of him simply commercialised him but the name itself santa Clause means Saint Nicolas in English.

jesusjnr2020:
I've been hearing the name Santa since my childhood days, especially through movies with Christmas themes, but didn't make too much of it, until a few years back I actually saw a post that said Santa was an anagram of Satan, it sounded quite convincing though up til now I haven't come to any conclusion about it.

However being aware of the cunning nature and devices of the devil won't be surprised if that's actually true.

It also beggars belief how Santa became associated with Christmas if it was indeed the celebration of the birth of Christ.

Or could it be specifically deviced to distract souls from Christ?

So many questions that warrant answers concerning the relationship between Santa and Christmas celebration.

God bless.

The greatest issue we have as Nigerians is our love for conspiracy theory snd unfortunately the religious world particularly so called commited Christian are the first to accept conspiracy theories like this.

A post down here actually mentioned the real reason but he was quick to debunk it himself. I have said this here before Christianity and its traditions and culture have grown over the years as a result of the lives and choices of the community. As long as it's in line with God's word then it was unanimously accepted.

Santa Clause is a modern remake of an ancient perosn who actually lived. If I remember correctly it was a brand that gave it the current look of red and white and an old man with beards and living in the north pole and other mystical things. It was a marketing gimmick that just stuck because it was rooted in some reality and because it didnt contradict anything within the Christian teaching it wasn't tackled by broader Christian communities.

The original figure was Saint Nicolas. Actually the word Santa Clause is the English version of the word Saint Nicolas

Santa - saint
Clause - Nicolas

Originally it was in Dutch as Sinterklaas which still means Saint Nicolas

So the name literally means Saint Nicolas not Satan. Simple google would have told you that but no you just like conspiracy theory.

We continue. When the Dutch moved into modern day New York they akresdybhad the tradition of Sinterklaas and it just became popular.

Now the main history.

Saint Nicolas was a Bishop born in what is now modern day Turkiey. He was known to secretly gift children snd families gift during Christmas time mostly gifting children from poor homes. Some reports say he also encouraged children year round to be good so that they can merit gifts from God (I can only assume thats why we have the modern day verison of good list and naughty list) anyway catholic history tells that even after his death in AD 270 many people in the local community still kept receiving gifts and miracles on the eve of Christmas so it became a tradition that spread and was accepted by the church. He was also made a Saint so his popularity stuck.

Anyway back to when the Dutch populated new York in the 1800s and ealry 1900s they brought this tradition. Books and stage plays were then written about this tradition with different views of him like being jolly, being old, being big, etc and the Coke company just solidified that image of red and white and it exploded going beyond even being religious to just being a social thing.

Many events today have the same history. The American Easter bunny is a modern remake of the Easter season. Halloween was originally All Halos eve which was and is still the day before a catholic feast day where we pray for the souls of all those who have died. Halloween was just modernised and commercialed into what we have today but Originally Christian communities would dress up as a saint to remember them.

So please don't live your life strapped to every conspiracy theory out there.

For the Christmas's tree I had to research this but again also it is a modern version of ancient practices. Ealry Christians would use trees to symbolise life. They used a particular tree though called evergreen tree. The tradition started in Europe and then Germans introduced it to the UK who introduced it to Americans who are the kings of modernising things and making it less spiritual and traditional.

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My salesgirl understands my business to the point I am considering to just make her my family.

I don't do an easy business and I am looking to scale, which means someone that understands this business is vital for that to happen and preferably a family member.

Now I am thinking of marrying her and also in the process leaving the relationship/dating market that is a distraction.

I don't have issues whatsoever with this my salesgirl in terms of character and even accountability, she's just perfect in those aspects, but my problem is her age.

Right now, I am just thinking of taking this decision of killing 2 birds with a stone might just be the best for me, one is settling down and two is marrying someone that understands my business.

Is a 29 year old man too big for an 18 year old girl? What's the general public perception of it?

PS: For the main time, I haven't made moves on her. But my interviews on her so far shows she's not looking to enter the high institution anytime soon (probably due to funds). But if I become comfortable with the age gap that is my major concern, I'd make moves on her and see if it will be possible. I'm trying to assess general views on marrying girls in their teen like her.

You know proper business people don't marry they top performers they give them higher roles, better pay, lots of benefits, and a solid contract. Will you marry every sales girl who understands your business and does well? How about running your business professionally and stop looking at a 'just finished childhood' child romantically.

You have so many options that don't affect you and personally I think women in Nigeria run businesses more professionally than men. Go to balogun market today and you'll see mothers of 4 running shops as sales managers many started at 16, got married, bore children, and rose from small girl to sale manager. You'll even think they own the shop but they don't, their madams rarely show but the benefits they have makes them perpetual workers and the madams are fine cause they make returns. Personally I know more than a handful of women like that who are not the owners of the shop but have run it for decades on behalf of the madam.

But men, nope instead this is your idea. I've met many girls who trained themselves in part time evening or Saturday school while working as a sales girl. The madams gave them bonuses and incentives like reach x target and get x bonus, some even sell with 1 to 2k extra and the bosses turn a blind eye cause they are delivering. As long as they don't steal or short change them they are fine. And these girls go from girls to young lady to women and to mothers within these shops.

Again men. And someone commented your thinking long term? Long term ko. Do you think pregnancy and childbirth is easy for everyone what if she can't be useful to your business during that time, who will run the business, what if you have a child with needs, do you think she'll have time for the business, when she's playing daughter in law extraordinare will she have time for the business, she'll run the business, run the home, raise the kids, play good wife, do daughter in law all at once.

You'll just end up killing her dreams and your business and getting angry at everyone but yourself. And if God forbid anything happens to your business your entire family's source of livelihood ends. Abeg just focus on giving her a good contract. Learn to run your business professionally, you'll thrive much faster.

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A mother has reportedly called off her daughter’s engagement after the fiancé verbally lashed out at her for missing his phone call once.

The incident was shared on X (formerly Twitter) by a user with the handle @ohhyesweirdo, who identified herself as the daughter involved.

According to her, her mother ended the engagement solely because the fiancé insulted her over a missed call. Sharing the story, she wrote: “My mamu called off his daughter’s engagement because her fiancée cursed at her cuz she didn’t pick up his call once. Respect for mamu+++.”

While some social media users suggested that there might be more to the story, she responded: “No, that’s it. She said if he can speak to her like that when she’s in my house, then what would he do to her when she’s at his.”

She maintained that her mother believed the fiancé’s behavior was a red flag and could escalate in the future once her daughter moved in with him.

The post has since sparked widespread conversation online, with users flooding the comments to share their thoughts on the mother’s decision.

This post and subsequent Nairaland comments is a research gold mine.

First of author abeg do research before you post. Mamu was clearly written by the girl. She used he and his all through but nope na mama your brain conclude.

Mamu is an Indian slang for maternal uncle, ergo it's a man who called off the wedding.

Since she is Indian and not Nigerian, we can only confer that per their tradition her father is probably no longer alive or in the picture so the uncle is standing in his place as the father figure.

Next let me mine the research info. Kindly find your location and be gracious enough to answer me. Thank you.

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3. For those who said the man dodge a bullet because the girl could not make her own stance or similar posts, does your opinion stand even with the change from mother to father figure? Are you less likely to be unhappy with similar situation if it is a man who made the decision as opposed to a woman? Are you aware of the fact that Indian have a very strong traditional beliefs and family approval is crucial? If yes do you still think the girl was weak for accepting the decision?

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stuffs2002:
That was just the excuse the mother needed

The mother never liked the guy from the onset and likely the guy is not rich enough for the mother.

Very likely a single mother who raised her kid alone and is generally bitter at men

It wasn't her mother but her maternal uncle. Once you realise it's a man who made the decision your entire point comes crashing down

illicit:
I dislike people that can't use correct pronouns

Mamu... non mama. You could have done your research before jumping to conclusion. Mamu is an Indian slang for maternal uncle.

Jaycenvirtualse:
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I'm not sure if it'll help on the travel platform. I thought it best for education since many UK based Nigerians tend to look for assignment support there. But if the mods don't move it then I'll post it there also.

sholatech:
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