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Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting! You base this claim of the spirituality of marriage on the use of analogies that attempt to use marriage in explaining ideas that exist in Scripture. So, you admit the claims that suggest marriage is spiritual are not founded in absolute truths but are taken mostly from analogies used in scripture. Alright! Jesus Christ also used references to gardening, farming, and planting of seeds and trees to explain ideas to His followers regarding the Kingdom of God. Does this then equally mean that farming and plants as well are all spiritual?

2. First of all, how can an idea that Jesus Christ explicitly declared was of this world and not of the Kingdom of God still be construed as part of the Kingdom of God? No be a clear example of contradiction be that one? Is God a God of contradictions? Second, from the very moment, God placed His curse on women in marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16, every argument for marriage being of God or eben of selflessness ceased in meaning.
God never took back that sentence against marriage. Jesus Christ upheld it even when He came with the offer of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36.

The use of marriage went further than analogies. It was shown all through the Bible as a description of how God loves his people. If God acknowledged and expressed his love for us through marriage, then it means he cares enough and acknowledges the place of marriage in the world. He's also the one who told us to leave our father and mother and become one in marriage. He acknowledge the place of marriage and it's importance. However, he clearly reminds us that marriage is not the all in all. Marriage is acceptable and good but not a must for heaven, doesn't mean it's a key to hell. Yes, it's of this world, and we can't be married in heaven, but that doesn't mean it's false or fake or invalid or a key to hell. It's of this world, and much like everything else, if used right, if done right, can help you make heaven. We will be judged by our actions and the way we lived our lives within the activities we did, if you lived a good married life, you can make heaven. Marriage is not a sin, it's of this world, but if God and Jesus Acknowledge the beauty of marriage then who are we not to. Jesus also said you can't take all of your treasures but we know for a fact that God blesses people with wealth. It doesn't change the fact that you can't take it to heaven, but we are on earth to live a good life in everything we do, With the wealth that we have, with the marriage that we go into, with our businesses. Eveyrhting.

When the master (God) gave the three servants talents, went, away, and came back, he praised those who used those talents (an ancient measure of years of labour) and bore fruit. It was about this earth, those talents were not about heaven, but about how you lived and worked in this earth. The servant who refused to live or use his years for anything was punished for being useless. The core point in every christian's life is to live a life and all your choices and actions to the glory of God. Nothing can be taken to heaven, but that doesn't mean they cannot be enjoyed and used here on earth. He gave us this life to see how well we used it, not to just sit and call everything bad. When Peter had the revelation of the screen with all the animals, Jesus told him, do not call what I have made unclean. The earth was made by God for us to live and enjoy and work hard to attain heaven, so if marriage is of this world and you choose to marry, do so but do so with God in mind and for His glory. If food is hungrying you, then eat it, but do so with God in mind and his glory. Nothing is more important that heaven and nothing should come before heaven, but everything on earth can be used for the glory of God and as a way to make that heaven we all want.

Stop confusing the fact that material things are of the earth with the mindset that they are bad. Everything even the things of the world can be used for the glory of God and your salvation if done right.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said the following in His teachings:

□ your marriages are of this world of men and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36
□ Those who love Him must abandon father, mother, brother, sister, children, wife/husband in other to become worthy of Him - Matthew 10 vs 35 - 38
□ Those who will find true life --- enter in to the Kingdom through the Narrrow gate that leads to Heaven at the end -- are those will lose their life and those who will die to self and carry the cross they were given when they decided to follow Him - Matthew 10 vs 39 and Matthew 16...
□ Those who belong to Him no longer store up treasures on earth --- they sell them all and give give the proceeds out to those who have need to them --- but store them up in Heaven.
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Clearly, Marriage which is treasured by so many does not offer anyone any advantages as far as the Kingdom of God or even Heaven for that matter.

2. There is no connection to be made between the love a couple express in marriage and that required by God of those who seek to enter into His Kingdom and eventually His Heaven.

3. God's love for Israel is explicitly detailed in the Law of Moses which God gave to the Israelites for a National Constitution in the Land of Canaan. That same Law contains the details of the judgment God promised to meet against the Israelites for their refusal to obey Him --- God carried out that final judgment about 1900 years ago when He destroyed the people and condemned them to wander under His curse until when He later gathers them back to Himself-- Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 ...& Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6. What marriage between a man and woman could mirror such a union?

Jesus said so many things to state the one point He came to this world for, Heaven. In ancient Isreal, people believed that serving God meant only earthly blessing. So by default, if you are sick or poor it instantly meant you or your parents have offended God. We see that with the blind man at the gate who Jesus said his blindness was due to no sin of his or his parents but for the glory of God. That being said, Jesus was trying to maintain the important point that Gods blessing extended to heaven, an after-life, not earth. That's all he tried to teach, the kingdom of God, heaven, wealth in heaven means more than wealth on earth, in comparison to heaven, nothing on earth, not marriage, not wealth, nothing was more important. He also taught a lot about how to make heaven and that's where all his teachings of love of God and love of neighbour comes in, and the teachings of baptism and the likes. But that does not in itself contradict that marriage is important it's not just as important as heaven.

Per your reasoning and all your quotes then when Jeuss said man shall not live on bread alone but by the word of God, that means eating food is not necessary. As long as you read the Bible you should be full.

Clearly we know that doesn't work that way. Jesus did not come to take away the laws and principles of life, if anything he came to give meaning and life to it. Food is important so eat, but it's not more important that serving God. Marriage is important and by all means you can marry and if you do it right you will make heaven. What we all forget to realise is that God has called all of us to live a righteous life within every thing we do. If we take everything and do it from the eyes of the love of God then yes, it can get you to heaven. Do you think that if you remain single and refuse to live a good Christian life with all of the virtues and values, you can make heaven? A married man who showed the same selfless love Jesus showed to the church will make heaven faster. What is important is living every aspect of your life with the principles of a good Christian life.

Two, God's love for Isreal was shown in the birth, miracles, teachings, and death of Christ. It did not end in the exile and punishment of Isreal of the old testament. If God was done with them till his second coming, then Jesus, the savior would not have been prohesised by Jereimiah, Isiah and the other prophets. God's love does not end or stop, that's what Jesus came to teach. That's the love you are forgetting to see. The old testament in Hosea and songs of solomon calls God the Husband and Isreal the unfaithful wife. Angry as the husband was, he went on the say that although he was going to abandon and purnish his unfaithful wife, he will not live her alone for ever, he will send someone to save her and show her his unending love. And John goes on to tell us, that God so loved Isreal and more than Isreal, the whole world itself, that he gave his only son to atone for their unfaithfulness. No man and wife can mirror the extent of the love God has shown to Isreal and the world, but that yardstick is what we are all called to live by here on earth.

Ask yourself if marriage meant nothing as much as you say it does, then why was Adultry even added in the ten commandments? Why did adultery make it to the 10 do's and don'ts of God if marriage wasn't spiritual and important. Actully looking at how Thou shall not commit adulty and thou shall not convert their neighbours wife were both included in the 10 commandments, the rule book of what you must do to get on God's good side and receive his blessing, the Certified law of Moses, written and given to us directly from God himself. If he cared so much about cheating on your spouce and taking another mans spouse then surely marriage is spiritual. It's got to be to get God's attention.

Kobojunkie:
"Ancient vows" or not though , marriage in and of itself is not selfless. We are talking of a contract that is entered into for th benefit of the one entering into it. Saying marriage is selfless is sort of like saying business is selfless.

Marriage has never been spiritual though. Your religious leaders tell this lie in order that their gullible followers may submit even their marriages to their control.

Where scripture says something about a man and woman joining to become one, Scripture says that in reference to both living in agreement with each other....not the hogwash peddled by pastors and mogs suggesting that somehow spirits are united,bodies, etc. That nonsense has no place in Scripture which makes clear that man and woman were not created with spirits of their own in the first place.

Marriage has always been spiritual, it existed before the pastors of today and the priests of Jesus's time. It has always existed. If the Bible, and even Jesus made so much mention of the bridegroom and the bride. If marriage and the analogies of marriage were so inturned to his teachings, then certainly it is a spiritual thing. Everything Jesus said and did was spiritual. If he called God the Bridegroom, then somewhere in the entire plan of heaven, there was talk about the importance of marriage. I could list at least five places where Jesus said, I am the bride and you (us) the bride-groom. Marriage is important. With or without it, heaven is attainable. But never doubt that marriage is important. To crown it all, he went to a wedding and performed his first messianic miracle at the wedding of Cana. The Bible skipped out on so many parts of ancient Isreal, but it was that important to mention that Christ was at a wedding. Isn't that enough acknowledgement on the approval and acceptance of weddings. And again, marriage in it's truth isn't a business. It's not a contract, its a union of two people becoming one. You can't become one if you don't walk the same steps and tow the same path. I still use the words of Paul, Love your wife as christ as loved the church, that was a flag to tell you how far marriage and love is expected to be. If the original yardstick of Christian marriage is the love of Jesus to the church, then certainly, certainly, marriage should be selfless, because Jesus, was, is, and will always be a selfless bridegroom.

I still go back to what I said, because marriage in the modern world has been so tainted by selfish desires, and personal greed does not mean that was the initial plan for Christian marriage. You know what I think the right thing for me to say here is, Christian marriage is selfless and spiritual. The marriage of the world, well you can see where that is today.

Kobojunkie:
The marriage agreement itself requires one to ensure that one's needs are catered to in the marriage contract so how can it be construed as a selfless act on the part of any of those involved?

The original, ancient vows of marriage,

I take this ... to love and to hold... in sickness and in health... till death do us part was selfless. Today well, Sure marriage has gone from being a religious and spiritual activity to a social business. It's sad but that is the handwork of modern day life not the original intention.

Kobojunkie:
Let me put it this way: in the same way having a car will not necessarily help anyone make it to heaven, so also being married will not help anyone get into heaven.

Marriage in itself is not a key to heaven, but it's also not a key away from heaven. If anything, The love that comes from marriage is important to Jesus. If not, the entire christiandom will not be referred to as the bride of Christ. The books of Hosea, Lamentation, and Songs of Solomon, all talk about the love of God as a husband who loves his wife Israel. The use of marriage as a comparison and an analogy for God's love is too much for marriage not to be a significant part of God's plan.

However, I agree that with or without marriage, anyone can make it to heaven. But disagree that marriage is a reason to not enter heaven. The problem is people marry for material reasons. But the Bible said, love your wife as christ has loved the church, and wives submit to your husband. Jesus loved the church with everything, and we Christians are called to love him back with everything. That should be the yardstick: selfless commitment to one another. Not what we see today. Marriage should be beautiful, not transactional. It should be a desire to serve each other and not for personal pleasure, gratification, or so that it will not be that I did not marry.

Much like everything else in this world, human beings have found a way to taint the beauty of marriage and love.

Kobojunkie:
Marriage is far from selfless!

Marriage should be selfless in all things, but that's not the order of marriage today.

Kobojunkie:
Selfless indeed!

Are you disagreeing?

Kobojunkie:
Union of marriage is not a biblical tradition. There is no such thing as a biblical tradition. There is instead God's Law and then those who subscribe to and obey God's Law. Simple! Of course, there are equally those who claim they subscribe to God's Law but instead reject it by their refusal to obey.

2. To enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, one is expected to live his life in continuous submission and obedience to God's Law. And God's Law does not include any provisions for those who are married. For example, you may end up having to abandon your marriage altogether in other to fulfill the requirements for Heaven - Newsflash!

I'm sorry I am not sure I got you right. Are you saying married people can't make heaven?

chariisGRACE:
I love your takes but, you still didn't make any of my points invalid.

You disagreed when I said that marriage is between the two families only, and that a priest has no business in it.

You countered me on that without giving reference to any marriage in the Bible that was officiated by a priest.

Concerning the ceremonial aspect of it, we are on the same page.

Concerning the involvement of priests in marriages, you didn't show me any where it was stated that a priest officiated a marriage.

Talking about, white wedding, it is the European alternative for our "traditional wedding".Otherwise, show me anywhere it was stated that, weddings were held in the church

Let's answer you in parts

There was no place in the Bible where a Church wedding was spoken about because, as I said, up until the end of the bible, Christianity was still young. The Bible shows us only the early days of Christianity, so the physical church you are looking for you will not see in the Bible. Again, I mention that a White wedding is not a European thing but a desire for Christians to get the blessing of God just like you get the blessing of your family in a traditional wedding. Initially, it was called Christian Wedding; the change to white was the work of non-Christians who wanted to experience the same thing. The initial development of Christian weddings, based on Christian history, was so that people could seek the blessing of Jesus before witnesses. It was a testament to their faith in Jesus and their desire to have Him bless their wedding. You realise that Christianity extends beyond the Bible, and Christian history is a massive part of Christianity today. So, not everything has to be in the Bible; many things were included to improve Christian faith, and they are not false because Jesus gave us the power to accept and reject things if we do so in unity.

Next, I never said marriage was not between families. I said that ancient Jews were also very religious and sort the opinion of priests to seek God's will on their behalf. I also said although there is no Bible reference to anyone seeking a priest's opinion for a wedding, Jewish people were extremely religious and sought God's will about almost everything, not just wars. Biblical history goes as far as saying that many rich men had resident priests within their homes whose jobs were simply to seek God's will for the family and their activities. Again, you will find sparing information about it, though I remember a passage in the book of Judges that speaks of a man who took in a Levite who became a resident priest. However, as I keep saying, just because the Bible didn't carry it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just means it wasn't important enough to make it to the Bible. Jewish religious traditions and histories are available for everyone, giving you deeper insights into what people did. Just the same Christian Religious history and traditions give you insights into the choices and decisions that were made, and one of them was Christian wedding where, mind you, A priest is needed solely as a witness, almost identical to ancient Jewish traditions where the banquet or feast was a sort of witness to the marriage. And if people had resident priests, then yes, priests were a part of Jewish marriages in whatever way was popular then.

All I'm saying is that because it was not written word for word in the Bible does not mean something is false. There is much more to Christianity that comes from tradition and post-Biblical revelation. The Bible is the first reference, but there are so many other aspects that help you understand Christianity. So, because Christian wedding was not mentioned doesn't mean it's a false teaching. Or because you didn't see priests officiating a Jewish wedding doesn't mean historically they didn't. This is why religious historians and theologies always read history to learn more. The Bible only complied what was important for your salvation, not people's everyday lives or cultures.

Carcholce:
Please pardon my ignorance! You will agree with me that even an acclaimed man of God standing on the alter do also desecrate the holy bible talk more of a bloody pagan like myself. I needed help to understand what the chapter is saying. “To marry or not to marry”

Thank you for your input!

Marry, by all means, Marry. If you can't stay single, then marry. It is better to marry than fornicate. But when you marry as Paul instructed, do so out of love and a determination to surrender yourself to the other party and vice versa. Do not marry just for sex or cause she looks fine; marry because you re ready to work and live as one. Thinking of each other and not yourself. Marriage is a selfless act and that's a fact most people do not wish to accept.

blowjohn:
What is really ur problem.
You don't even know ur talking to someone that is a professional in health related issues.
Like I said ur just ranting.

No where did I mention she needs to be slim.
I already said she looks like the type that can get fat easily.

Ur talking off point. Who is talking about sexual interest here? Advising a woman to stay sexy means one one is taking the person as a sexual object?

Have u seen imade? The other baby mama of davido?
Don't u see that imade is physiologicaly built in a different way and has been able to maintain her shape?

And to ur point again.... China is not a new mother. She's had a child before and afterwards she gained weight.


U seem to fail to understand that one's genetic makeup plays a bigger role than hormones.

Why doesnt the hormones in many slim mothers make them blow up after birth?

Ur just talking and making false premises a d points

The hormones in genetically slim people aren't affecting them because their genetics play a part. I am not going to claim I know anything medical, but since I am female and I know the female body, I can tell you for a fact that bodies differ. Because Mama Imade did it doesn't mean Chioma can. And Again, I go back to the point: you are talking about watching weight to a woman who just gave birth. Even if she gave birth before and didn't lose weight, the point today is that this woman just gave birth; talk about weight loss or weight watching should not even come up yet.

And yes, the fact that your approach to losing weight included the word sexy means you are thinking about something other than her health. If you indeed are in the healthcare industry, and you have any inclination about the female body, especially after birth, you will not, for any reason at all, mention weight-watching to a new mother. If you had said this seven months after birth, I would just walk by. My problem is that you are refusing to understand that your statement was unnecessary. You do not mention things like weight, a sensitive topic for most women weeks after giving birth. Most women know they should lose weight after birth but can't for many reasons. It is insensitive, and usually only men who would do this, to speak about a woman's weight right after birth. It is wrong. If no one has told you, let me tell you now: there are certain things you do not say about or to a woman at certain points in her life. Every woman is aware of her weight gain, but you do not even think about it, much less speak about it when the situation is not right.

I am not disputing your claim of the need for healthy weight, but you are mentioning it at the wrong time. This is not the time to mention weight. I am saying this because if you ever have contact with a new mother, do not mention her weight. It is rude, it is insensitive, and it is uncalled for. Aunty will watch her weight when she is ready to because she knows. You think people who are naturally predisposed to add weight are not aware; they know.

And again, even with my little medical knowledge, me sef know that genetics is a powerful play in the human body, and genetics also determines how your hormones will play. Women who give birth and are slim are so because that's their genes. Just like some women lose weight while pregnant, that's them. Don't compare women, don't compare anyone. As a health care professional, did you even consider that maybe she had or still has post-natal complications that require her to take things easy. Or is that not a medical things, at least I have seen it play in two women, post pregnancy they have random complications that they manage and work on for years.

And the fact that you call my opinion ranting, is a whole new level of uncivilization. Even if you have to oppose my point, do so with some respect and decency. That's how people reason, learn, and grow, not by abuses and a desire to prove that na me know all.

Woo, good night. I have work today.

The same situation that makes a sinner, makes a saint. Those that will find God will find God no matter the situation.

But you are right, was it not the churchy generation that raised us? The problem I have come to realise is three things

First, the previous generation used fear and shaming as a way to set people straight. Unfortunately, the internet has shown people that you can still live well (on earth) even if you don't serve God. The internet brought with in so many cultures and opinions and children who were once holding themselves back not because of the Love of God but fear of hell and punishment are seeing otherwise. We need to start teaching people to serve God because of Love and not fear of punishment. It's not working anymore.

Second, the internet brought with it a quest for fame and power. Something that people had to work hard to achieve, people can now do it quickly, legally and illegally, well, most people today, now lack patience, humility, and trust in the time of God. It's now for everyone. I want it now, I want to be recognised now, I want to buy the latest everything now. In my opinion, we've all lost the beauty of humility and patience.

Finally, The world, in general, has become less kind. NEpotism, pride, greed for money, demand for money, poor policies, harsh economies, modern-day slavery. All of these have made the simplicity of life and the kindness that emanated thereof obstinate. In the past, people showed hospitality, support, communal living and support. Today, it's every man for himself. For fear of being hurt, being limited, and the wickedness of now surpassing me. The world itself has lost the kindness and goodness it once had. Everyone is selfish. We are in the era of self centeredness. It's all about me and my own.

It's not just this generation, we all have to change. It starts from all of us. If we just tried to be a little more kind and more selfless. If all of us just showed a little more love and kindness, then well we could curb a lot of what we see today.

I think most people here replying that the church failed them, or it's a scam or fake pastors. The problem lies in the fact that your eyes where not on God but on the pastor. Una forget say pastors can lie, pastors can sin, pastor is also running this race me and you are running and we can all fall. That's why your yardstick should be on the person you are serving and not on the pastor. The truth is, there are many reasons to stop serving God, especially when we see Nigerians take Christianity as a reason to be stupid. But The Christianity I know empowers us with wisdom and reason and not stupidity.

The problem also lies in the fact that people worship pastors and not God, so if the pastor says jump, they don't even ask how high. They just break the roof. Christianity it's is beautiful, in truth, serving God is beautiful, He's there, He listens, He knows, He is working for you. I believe that if a church or pastor has failed you, stop, reevaluate what your relationship with God is and then search for the place that can help you grow in service to God.

Remember always that when practicing any religion, your eyes should only remain on the person you are serving and not on the servant who is leading you.

Carcholce:
1st Cor 7

“It is good for a man not to marry”


Was the person that wrote that verse high on something?

What is good about not getting married? To think no bible scholar/teachers have touched on that verse is fishy!

Is that verse a mistake?
Kobojunkie, have you seen this bible chapter before?

First of all, Paul said that, and he did as part of a long teaching on being good Christians. It was not as though this is law from God; this was simply his advice to Christians as a father and apostle. If you check and I'm using Good News as a yardstick, the translation for that verse is two. Good News places a reference for that verse. At the bottom, the optional translation is

'You say that a man does well not to marry'

The optional translation is more of him restating a point someone has said to him.

Anyway, Any sensible person who reads the entire chapter 7 knows what Paul was trying to do. That being said, Abeg, when you are reading the Bible, remember that it is a translation of a translation of the original copy, so there are translation flaws, also remember that there was a culture, understanding, and pattern then, also remember that to read between the lines, a lot of texts have a deeper meaning than what it looks, and by God, stop picking a verse and concluding. What led to the verse, what led away from the verse, what was the entire topic about, what was the culture at the time, who is speaking, who is being spoken to, what are the related verse. All of these are important. Stop picking one line and concluding that the Bible said this. If that is so, then the Bible also said kill. so...

blowjohn:
Ur just ranting nonsense. Do u know her mind of lifestyle opens her up to adding weight?
U not dey see how hausa women maintain their body even after 5 children?

How old is she? So until after one year before she starts taking care of her weight

Uncle, stop comparing people. Just because a woman has the gene for better body weight doesn't mean she will. Besides, no matter what lifestyle you want to have, expecting a new mother to lose or watch her weight is plain wicked and partly ignorant. Women's body does not work the way you think in your head; hormones play several parts and child birth is the king of hormonal imbalance. Leave a new mother alone with her weight. Don't come an put your toxicity to a woman who is still breastfeeding. If Hausa women maintain their bodies after five, then go and look for them, live the aunty and her body alone. If only slim women with the gene of slimness gets your attention, go for them, but don't sit where you are and put a yardstick on every woman.

And do you know her kind of lifestyle also opens her to having a trainer to help her watch her weight when she is ready and fully recovered? All you see is your sexual interest, not the fact that she is a NEW MOTHER AND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO STILL BE BIG. Even until those children reach one and no one, absolutely no one has a right to speak to her.

How old is she really? Did they tell you that young women must be slim? Where is it written that because you are young, you must be slim? People like you still don't understand that body type differs, and being a woman does not change that. Yes, Let her reach one and stop breastfeeding first, then we can talk about weight. But as long as she is feeding for three people, no body has a right to talk to her.

I think at the end of the day, it all boils down to what is important to you. I know some people have taken this seeking pastor's opinion to be greater than common sense and even the teaching of God that they serve, but in all honest, with the way human beings ar being crazy, it is important to seek God's face before making a decision as serious as marriage. Even if not a pastor, make a serious prayer to be sure you are not going into hell. I am still of a strong belief that many people will have a better life if they just ask God. I mean, even the Bible says to have child-like confidence and trust in God. Children ask parents about everything. Even Daddy, should I go and poo now or later. Children ask everything. Why would you now not ask about something as deep as marriage?

The problem is asking the wrong pastor, or waiting till the dying moment after promising someone for six-plus years of marriage and then disappointing them one week to the marriage. From the beginning, ask questions. And I don't understand why you will just ask one pastor. See with marriage, ask five to six prophets, then pray yourself and then do checks and balances. No, how, you will get a close enough answer. But she if you think, you fit do things on your own, be prepared for whatever consequence will arise. At least if you Asked God first and things start to get K leg you can go back to God and ask why.

And finally all you people saying pastor was not mentioned in the Bible, you forget that priest was the order of the day then and people consulted the priests for various things, no doubt marriage was part.

chariisGRACE:
No.

Even God, Himself does not connect potential spouses to each other. The Bible clearly stated it that, "He that finds a wife...".

According to the Bible, marriage should be done between the two families. Your pastor doesn't have anything to do with your marriage.

That means, the White Wedding is just a ceremony. It is not biblical. It is unnecessary.

The only marriage that is biblical is the marriage that involves the bride and groom's family, that one we call "parlour marriage". That is the real thing. The extravagant traditional marriage is just a ceremony, just like the white wedding.

I laugh when I hear people say this. Now, let's turn to the Bible and show you how erroneous your two points are.

First, marriage in the bible was nowhere near parlour marriage. The ancient Jews had a huge ceremony for marriage. First, the betrothal ceremony, which was mostly indoor. Then the wedding ceremony itself was supposed to last seven days with a banquet for each day. Done compulsorily in the bride's house. Then, on the seventh day, the father of the bride gives you his daughter. Modern Jews, that is in Jesus' time, had a little less stressful tradition, and the bridegroom would simply come to pick up his wife at night after the initial 7-day banquet o. That is why at the wedding of Cana they said to the groom, the good wine was usually served first and at the end of the seventh day the anyhow came in. You can see all of the extravagant wedding practices of ancient jews over the course of the old testament with various modifications. Even when Rebecca was coming to marry Isaaic, she came with a whole congregation. That was their culture, weddings were a big deal, it was loud, it was grand, it was a testament to the wealth of both families. There was nothing quiet about Jewish wedding so don't come and say Traditional ceremony is not biblical. It's clearly in the Bible. The wedding Jesus attended clearly said he went to a wedding feast, feast means big event uncle not sitting room business.

Next in the time of Jesus, historically, people consulted the temple priests a lot for so many things. And although there is no concrete evidence, if marriage was such a big deal, then certainly families consulted the priest to use the Urim to seek God's will.

Finally, What kind of Christian says white wedding is ceremonial? It just means you still don't understand the concept of a white wedding. If you believe in Jesus and his blessing, the white wedding is your chance to seek that blessing. Yes, people have gone crazy, but hey, if you want to come to your father's house and be nuts, who has the right to judge you? The Christian wedding was simply a way for Christians to meet and tell Jesus, see o, this is the person I want to marry, come and bless us. The same way you did for the traditional weddings, receiving your family's blessing, Christian wedding was to receive Christ's blessing.

And why is it not in the bible, Well because Christianity was new, all the books of the bible only tell the stories of the early Christendom, So many things happened and were added to help improve Christian life after the bible, it doesn't make them fake, it was simply a part of the growth of Christianity. Marriage is important to God and Christians wanted to be sure that God gave His blessing so the Christian marriage things originated. And why do we believe it's authentic, because the Bible says, what you accept on earth is accepted in heaven and what you reject on earth is rejected in heaven. He gave us the authority to unanimously create and reject. And Christians since the beginning accepted Christian wedding. So abeg stop saying its just a ceremony, it's an important part of having a chirstian marriage.

blowjohn:
Yeah. But she shud work on her weight

Let the woman finish nursing her twins first before you talk of weight. Don't you know her body is still acting for two... in this case, three. Talk about weight when her kids turn one. Until then don't live yourself monitoring other people's weight. If you have nothing else to say after looking at a person other than their weight, simply keep quiet. Aunty no even fat for a woman who just had twins. Men sha. Like you people are always that fine.

CoronaVirusPro:
You are right at some point, but how many African women think about that?

Buy them the whole gym facility and they will grow bigger! Very few married ones keep to shape!

They don’t care! The moment they can get a legal marriage, they start becoming a blue whale.

Not sayin all though, but majority.

You people are funny sha, A woman wey give birth less than five months ago you are complaining about her weight. Let the pregnancy and nursing leave her body first then we can talk. What most men and generally most people forget is that women, after childbirth, have to battle with several hormonal imbalances and until they quit breastfeeding their body is never the same. So when you are screaming lose weight to a new mother, remember that her body is still acting for two and not one, that goes for her hunger, her energy and more.

Besides, why do you think most women end up big after marriage? Time. Yes, get her the gym in the house, yes, pay for the best gym, but what time does she have? Will you the husband, be willing to watch the children for an hour every few days so she can go to the gym, or do you guys go to the gym with children? If she brings a maid you complain, so what time does she have between caring for toddlers, doing her work, and caring for you and the home? It's easy to say she has time, she has time, but the time you think she has when she is scrolling through her phone or watching movies equals the time you spend with the guys hanging out. Hangout and resting time cannot be used for gyming, you as a guy won't use the time you use to unwind at the gym. The question I ask men who claim their wives are lazy to gym is this, when was the last time you stayed home and allowed your wife to hangout with the girls? Till today women with young children still take them to the saloon because there is no one to watch them, women still back their children to the market because their husband is out with the guys, women still drag their children everywhere because there is no one to fully entrust their children with and their husbands are 'busy'.

When you judge women who don't have time for themselves, ask yourself if she has any time at all fully for herself. Women who truly take care of themselves, gym, look the sexy who are looking for and sorts, Check well they have grown up maids living with them doing most of the work, or they have their mother or sisters fully living and helping them. OR they have some support. Because in the end if aunty goes to the gym and anything happens to her children, una will be the first to say she is worldly and she doesn't know her priorities.

I am not saying there are no truly lazy people and me sef fall in the lazy category, but most women just don't have the time. Their lives revolve around children so much that they lose time and add a problematic husband or problematic marriage and the challenges of life mixed with a lot of depression and frustration, the only thing she turns to for some form of pleasure is food. So when you criticise anyone about their weight, look first before you call them whale. You just might find out that your being a rude, uncultured, and insensitive person.

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Hey Nairalanders,

Is there anyone currently studying at Esut part time program? I have a few questions and would like a direct source to help. Kindly reach out. Just a few questions from my list:

Is the part time program the same as the mature people program? Some sites say they are different others say they are the same. Just wondering because the MSP program is for 30 year Olds and a over (at least the is what I have read).

Also how is the class schedule? Evenings or weekends? How many hours daily? Is the teaching system good? Housing and accommodation, is there any for part timers? Fees?

Please only those with first hand knowledge. I've read a lot of conflicting information so them say isn't what I need now.