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On the case of how Obito got so strong...ladies and gentle men I present to you Uzumaki Naruto and Uchiha Sasuke.
On motive, he was brutally injured in a war, and left disillusioned after Kakashi broke his promise to protect Rin. Probably inculcated into the cult of Madara by Zetsu. My only hope is that he does not convert to the church of Naruto and has his final fight against Kakashi, while Naruto battles Sasuke. Ironically, whoever proposed the Uchiha massacre was right. They are devils, all of them.

The title is Obito Uchiha. The end has a note saying it is Obito. what we do know is...Tobi is someone pessimistic, someone who believes he~ failed~ badly in the past and let it destroy his self-image: he's nobody. Here are two possibilities. One: he lost someone and still got credited for the mission. Two: someone important to him was lost on a mission but that person's comrade received credit. There must have been a victory element somewhere that rang hollow to him, because of a sense of loss he couldn't cope with. That's why he rages about heroes.

Does that sound like Obito so far?

The idea of a hero seems to provoke him, especially Kakashi who he knows lost two friends. Tobi doesn't accept there are any heroes in the ninja world. To him, any positive outlook on grim reality is a spin, a "world of lies." So I don't take his contempt towards Kakashi as an intimately personal beef. I think he'd be just as negative towards anyone considered a hero, enough to dig into their pasts to find fault with them and reinforce his hatred, especially someone who lost comrades. And yes, this profile of person would attack their character with it.

We can even entertain the whole "Obito lost Rin" thing and read Tobi's comments to Naruto as an allusion to it, where he asks Naruto what would he do if he ended up neglecting what was entrusted to him. We can assume Obito's apparent determination to rescue one's friends was just an immature unwillingness to lose Rin.

He even praised Kisame for putting his mission over his comrades' lives, and he took pleasure in seeing Sasuke shoot Danzo through Karin. I can see a disillusioned person finding satisfaction in seeing others disillusioned or betraying the idea of a hero too.

And just to wrap it up, he could've had Zetsu healing done to him out of necessity of being injured from the rock accident.

texazzpete: Doesn't make any sense.

When Nagato was a kid he got the rinnegan from Tobi/Madara. By then, Obito and Kakashi were not even born.

Perhaps it's someone in Obito's body.

Obviously it was Obito that fought the 4th Hokage. No one else in the series has been shown to use the kamui space-time technique apart from kakashi...and it's only enabled by Obito's eye.

The someone in Obito's body makes no sense as he attacked Kaskashi and Guy personally. How would a random someone knoww personal details?

there is no conversation. Just on the last page where kakashi says 'You're Obito'
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/599/15

Tobi is Uchiha Obito. Chapter 599

Spoilers confirmed.. Flashback about Kakashi and Gai.
End of chapter Kakashi asks: Are you...Obito?

CeaserB: Na Baba God (Jehovah, Allah, Eledumare, Chukwu) Sign, Seal And Deliver The Authority To Us (Men).
So We (Men) Suggest You (Women) Send Your Appeal To The Supreme Creator If You Have Any Case Against (Men) Being "Special". Until Then You (Women) Can Keep Ranting. That Does Not Remove An Inch Of The Authority From Us (Men)


"And God said, Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over EVERY creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Genesis. 1:26).

"To the woman God said, I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall RULE over you.” (Genesis 3:16)

"But I permit NOT a Woman to teach, NOR to have dominion over a Man, but to be in quietness." (1 Timothy 2:12) To the example in Timothy...I had no Idea Paul was a god,
BtW myths have no bearing in reality.



[size=21pt]...AND GOD SAID, "CASE DISMISSED!" [/size]

To the example in Timothy...I had no Idea Paul was a god,
BtW myths have no bearing in reality.

Good news guys, Tobi took a rasengan to the face.

Yeah...I only gotCs and B's. Rubbish results. I wanna appeal

claremont: As far as I know, this Illuminati issue is an overblown conspiracy theory.

Thank you for your common sense.

Fake as he'll results. 6cs and 2 distinctions. Useless exam.

But 99.9% is a pretty high number eh
ednut

Results are not out. Neither does the article imply that but for a little add on at the bottom which is certainly not right.

@goshen I am sure you saw the post where I said that batman/Superman would hsv. Saved them. Despite not being all good. Think about that.


@buzugee Avoid corrupt cops and people who look like thugs.

@enroute. Cool story bro

-_____- @hisblud

buzugee: ea7 i need information on the ground level in naija. i seem to be getting contradicting information. i go on lindaikejiblogspot and the pictures i get of nigeria is so much wealth and glamour and beautiful people. yet in this section and the politics section i hear people lamenting about the hellish state of nigeria. what gives ?

It's a mixture of both. Both good and bad but with70:30 bad:good
As someone in the thirty part I can't say how bad it is. In London at the moment.

Since no religionists are venturing an answer, I propose that God didn't do anything for the same reason Batman /Spiderman /Superman /Naruto did nothing. Nonexistence.


It is quite funny how any of those latter fictional characters would have intervened while Yahweh would have asked for sacrifices.

CGDidymus
The only reasonable explanation is that those that died are home with Jesus. They died to make us realize how fragile life is, that we should repent and believe so when we die we will go to heaven also. Oh no wait, some I'm sure were not believers. Okay, I can still make this work. They were never going to believe. So an all-knowing, all-loving God predestined them to be created, then shot, and then sent to hell to suffer forever. So there, God does care.

No wait, let me think about this. Isn't God the one that ordered fire on Sodom and Gomorrah? Didn't he flood the world and kill every living thing accept Noah's family? Didn't he have men, women and children killed in Jericho? Am I following a mass-murderer? I'll get back to you. I've got some serious praying to do.

Almost everything we know about God can be seen in what he did not do to avert this massacre. God's inaction here is indistinguishable from him not caring at all, or being to weak to do anything all, or not being present at all, or not knowing anything at all. In fact, his inaction leads us to think he doesn't exist at all. David Hume suggested a line of argument that works very well here. If an Omni-God exists then he could have caused James Holmes to have a heart attack before leaving his apartment that day. He could have caused all of his guns to jam. He could have caused Holmes to suffer severe nausea at the very thought of doing this terrible deed, every time he thought of it. He could have had an accident on the way caused by a brake line leak. For believers to argue God remains hidden so as not to force obedience upon us, there is nothing about any of these suggested actions that would alert us to his presence. For believers to rhetorically ask how we know God doesn't intervene in other cases, the fact that he didn't intervene here, there, and so many many times elsewhere is strong evidence he doesn't act at all.

Innumerable things could have been done by this God to stop Holmes. But God was silent just exactly as if he doesn't exist at all. There is no noticeable difference in this present world where God is believed to exist from one where he doesn't exist at all. The notion of free will does not get believers off the hook either, unless they want to admit that this same God does not answer prayers. For surely there are believers across America and in every city and family praying every day for the safe protection of their loved ones and for people in general. So I put it to you. Either God's activity in our world is indistinguishable from his non-existence or he does not answer prayers. That's merely one of the many problems of belief in the light of this human tragedy.

F*ucking retards

What will he predict next...water is wet? And. The TB wankers will still kiss his arse

Mr_Anony: Dude, I simply can't take an English literature test that expects me to give mathematical answers. A test that limits itself to physicality cannot possibly test the supernatural.



I can also tell you i know God exists because I pray everyday and He inspires me everyday but you will reject that. You do not know your senses are working properly (even if there were 20 of them). You just trust them without question, you will never know if you really exist and you are are not a figment of someone's imagination somewhere. You just take these things for granted.
But yet you feel authorized to judge all existence based on a tool you can't truly account for.

How strange, when mormons have visions christians label it wishful thinking.

I often see people attacking whites for slavery, which is why i have to ask, were the situation reversed would we have done better?

Delafruita: as in seriously,God's modus operandi was to send the white man to gag people in chains,enslave them,kill millions of them and by that the good news will be spread.think again.this doesnt make sense neither does it support the notion of a wise God.its only natural that these people will not accept such teachings from the white man when their brothers are been enslaved.besides the slave traders had no interest in spreading Gospel.the viral spread of the gospel was as a result of the abolition of the gospel and slaves returning with education and christianity.

the 'white men' are individuals, not monolithic entities.

@mranony sorry for calling u annoying, some insect on this thread was bugging me.

The test requires us to be objective and assume a few things, some of which is that we exist and reality works as advertised. Have you even taken it, this is the problem with you guys. All bluster, no matter how much fanfiction there is to explain the workings of harry potter and make it consistent with our world, it's still fiction.

davidylan-ouch

Try and divorce yourself from the situation, approach your faith as a disinterested individual with no vested interest in its falsity or truth.

davidylan: and this conclusion was reached based on what premise?

How can someone so objectively cute be so objectively dense (no homo)
Everyone reading this thread seem to have gotten the idea

ajufinz: Noted! Sir!
Thinking mode...
Activating....

Well?

The basis for the outsider test has been stated adequately by liberal Christian philosopher John Hick: “It is evident that in some ninety-nine percent of the cases the religion which an individual professes and to which he or she adheres depends upon the accidents of birth.” That is to say, if we were born in Saudi Arabia, we would be Sunni Muslims right now. If we were born in Iran, we’d be Shi’a Muslims. If we were born in India, we’d be a Hindus. If we were born in Japan, we’d be Shintoists. If we were born in Mongolia, we’d be Buddhists. If we were born in the first century BCE in Israel, we’d adhere to the Jewish faith at that time, and if we were born in Europe in 1000 CE, we’d be Roman Catholics. For the first nine hundred years we would’ve believed in the ransom theory of Jesus’ atonement. As Christians during the later Middle Ages, we wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with killing witches, torturing heretics, and conquering Jerusalem from the “infidels” in the Crusades. These things are as close to being undeniable facts as we can get in the sociological world.

Since one’s faith is almost completely an accident of birth, then, one should be highly skeptical about whether one’s faith is correct. The considerations above, and others, led Loftus to the OTF, which he describes as follows:

The outsider test is simply a challenge to test one’s own religious faith with the presumption of skepticism, as an outsider. It calls upon believers to “Test or examine your religious beliefs as if you were outsiders with the same presumption of skepticism you use to test or examine other religious beliefs.” Its presumption is that when examining any set of religious beliefs skepticism is warranted, since the odds are good that the particular set of religious beliefs you have adopted is wrong.

Various people have tried to find fault with this principle, a principle I find eminently sensible, but they’ve all failed. If you want to see a real exercise in sophistry along these lines, read Alvin Plantinga’s “Pluralism: a defense of religious exclusivism.” And be prepared to get angry.