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4 Play:
Back to the issue we were talking about ,there were training camps run by Al Qaeda linked Ansar Al Islam before the war in Northern Iraq near the Iran border.

The spin given today is that Iraq was a bed of roses before the Americans came and spoilt everything

Nobody mentions that at the time Saddam came to power iraq had living standards the same as that of Portugal,by the time he left living standards where down to below levels in Nigeria

Meanwhile he continued to kill Iraqis ,especially Shias and Kurds,

Only the Iraqis who were the victims of Saddam are in the best position to decide his fate and I think they were generally in support of hanging Saddam.My misgivings about the hanging pertain to the speedy and shoddy way it was done.Not even the signature of the 2 vice-presidents required before a hanging were obtained and only the Dujail massacre was considered in court

Funny enough in Dujail,the attempt on Saddam's life was conducted by Maliki's Dawa party.

Who has given the impression that Iraq was a bed of roses? Are just twisting things to make them sound more amenable?

I also have problems accepting the shoddy way Saddam's trial was conducted. Besides, if he was convicted for a crime which seems to have now been committed by the guy who signed his death warrant.

I hoped he would have been tried for gassing the Kurds becuase the hypocrisy of America would have been exposed. They were Saddam's pals even after he gassed the Kurds.

4 Play, If I read the article well, it states very clearly that the group you mentioned were located in a part of Iraq that was outwith the control of Saddam. It was in Kurdish controlled territory; the brutality of Saddam against the Kurds is one of the latter excuses or justification for attacking Iraq.

So how do these align with the invasion and decimation of the people of Iraq?

Ndipe:
Wonder if he is still alive, and if he is, if he is regretting that he has lost such an opportunity to reconnect with his flesh and blood.

Dont be so sure.

NINETOFIVE:
Any woman who adopts the western style of life would eventually end up a single mum, that is a must.

This may appear so statistically but I dont think it's an absolute.

Westernisation does not necessarily have to lead to single parenthood if a girl has the proper background and prental upbringing, and if she apllies some wisdom as well.

4 Play:
Iraq was not a terrorist haven before the war?Which begs the question how Ansar Al Islam(a terrorist organisation) managed to gain territorial control over large swathes of Northern Iraq before the war and operate with total impunity
How come Al Zarqawi managed to operate from Iraq before the war

U resort to the usual argument of the anti-war brigade-we want Saddam out but not in the manner it was done-Problem is no one has suggested how this outcome would have been acheived

If the Shia and Kurdish insurrections of the 80s and 90s succeded,won't that have brought about sectarian conflict as we are witnessing

Most Iraqis today die through sectarian conflict,if the likes of Saddam had ruled Iraq in an equitable manner by allowing the Shias and Kurds a fair crack at governance,we won't have a sectarian conflict today.Full blame for the present predicament lies with past Iraqi leaders and the British colonial authority.

What is happening now was bound to happen,if u have a minority rule of Sunni Arabs and their Christian cronies-a quasi-apartheid system-at some point the majority peoples(Kurds and Shias) are going to start reacting violently when given the opportunity

The removal of Saddam has created a situation whereby the majority of the Iraqi populace have a stake in governance but apparently some Sunnis find this intolerable.

If the idea is that Saddam should remain in power so that Sunnis can continue their domination of Iraq,most Iraqis still think that the present level of violence is worth the overthrow of a Govt that made them second class citizens in their own country,killing them in huge numbers simply for being in the wrong sectarian group

If you come up with genuine instances of terrorism in Iraq before George Bush's terrorist activities there, you would have a better point.

I'm sure if there was terrorist activity by a certain George Bush during the Abacha era in nigeria, our country will also be burning now and people with your kind of slant would say that it had to be done to save us from the tyranny of the killer dictator.

Just like you, I could never imagine myself with a woman who has had a child for another man.

davidylan:
My dear, when i heard the story of my friends too my first instinct was "what on earth were you thinking"? After a while i could not help but feel sorry for young women whose innocence was abused and ground into the dust by idiots who happen to share the same appelation "male" with me.

I see 2 young children, smart, intelligent but who will never understand why their fathers left their mother. I am glad they are single mothers now, at least they are spared having to spend the rest of their lives with smooth talking irresponsible boys, errorneously refered to as men.

At least barring the kids, they would make excellent wives!

Sensible piece.

However, going around and bashing the men without sending out the proper message to other young girls will result in this the same thing ocurring again and again.

I honestly dislike it when hard truth is spoken in order for people to understand reality and some liberalist people, especially over-westernised ones, come out to try and make out that what the girls are doing is fine and all the blame should go to the boys. Girls will never learn with that kind of attitude and that's why there are quite a few on here with the same kind of problem.

That's actually been corrected, and it was done before your post

Eurphoria:
this truly disgust me and please don't go into details, because it just tells me immature boys do this not MEN. anyway thanks for your post you have verified what David was saying, and yes it is very callous to do what you say. well congrats you have sucessfully labeled many Nigerian men as spineless twats

Spineless twats

What do you label the women who are all too willing to sleep with men whom they don't know?

If those women are daft enough to sleep with some idiot who just spins them a yarn, they all get what they deserve. Whatsoever a man sows, the same shall he also reap.

Any man who's first instinct not one of survival is not a man. Maybe I need not go into details with you about that. It's the natural constitution of most Nigerian, and probably African men

Every man's first instinct is that of survival so if the guy thinks that the presence of a little baby in his life will ruin the progress he wants to make, he'll bolt. It's bitter but it's the truth and girls had better know it.

4 Play:
@Easyy
Are u saying that no one on nairaland has suggested that Iraqis or Iraq would have been better of with Saddam still in power?

That Iraqis did not want Saddam hung?

Iraq was without question better off under Saddam than it is at present. People were not being bombed daily during Saddam's era. The country was not a haven for terrorists during Saddam's era and they had basic infrastructure and much more working people during Saddam's era.

George Bush's hunger for war and thirst for non-western blood has turned the place into a nightmare.

Iraqis and almost everyone in the world wanted Saddam out so there' sno question about not wanting Saddam out. You seem to be confusing that with what people are saying with regards to the state of Iraq at present compared to what it was.

If Nigeria had been blown to bits during the Abacha era, where would we all be now and where what would have become of all that we currently see in Nigeria?

The guy probably knows that he can run away should the girl get pregnant and so has less to worry about. the girl should also plan carefully about the possibility of this UNKNOWN guy running away should she fall pregnant.

it behoves both of them to think carefully before doing it

Both parties should have thought out the consequences of their actions and taken precaution. It is usually the party who has less to lose that takes less precaution so if a girl thinks she has more to lose should a guy run away when she gets pregnant, she should be more sensible and plan careful rather than getting carried away by sex.

Some people either dont read what's being written properly or they just play dumb in order to put their point across , phew,

gbengaijot:
You sure didnt read my first post, did u?,

I made a statement that "the infrastructures are just not there",

I assume the fact that you know that the government and the Police committee are jointly responsibel for that.

Look, my frist post was about National re-orientation. If Nigerians can jump queues at the embassy, they need re oreintation, , if they can drive on the wrong motor way, they need re orientation, e.t.c

Thanks for clarifying that.

We need not just a new Police, but a New Nigeria of re-riented people.

A lot of people think the problem lies with a restructure of the police set up. They dont seem to realise that it's 'garbabe in, garbabe out'- the police is made up of people from amongst us and if we are good, the police will be good. If we are bad, the police will be bad.

Eurphoria:
You wont hear of such abandonments in Nigeria but trust me the Nigerian men do abandon children all about. I have close friend of the family whose dad left him here with his mother and went on to start a new life in Nigeria.

This just tells me that women in Nigeria must be smarter than women in the west who always try to teach Africans the way to do things

why did the women involved not consider discussing the issue of pregnancy before embarking upon a journey that would culminate in child bearing?

I have seen a few people also who said their dads abandoned them and went to africa. It's not all about men. Why should women be so keen to embark upon child-bearing journeys with men who are not married to them?

is the issue of bringing a child to this world supposed to be such a casual thing?

Afam, happy new year bro.

Sometimes its best to respond so that some people who might not know about this don't read and assume too much based on the wrong and sometimes bigoted views of some people on certain discussion forums.

I do realise that it hurts some people, naturally so too, whenever anything is stated that seems to potray the country which rescued them from poverty in bad light.

Mariory:
Totally besides the point. You are the people bringing in the US invasion with almost every post. A topic that has been beaten to death and is now way past it's sell by date of 5+ years. What's so special about Saddam that you jump to the defense of his life? He's dead get over it. He's been on trial, he's been sentenced, he's had his appeal, he's been executed.

Thousands of his victims didn't get to have appeals or spend their last days in American hospitality, dying looking better than they did when they went into prison.

If you give me a ststement where I have jumped to the defense of saddam, you will make more sense to me

Mariory:
Wow the noise about Saddam continues? His victims now some sense of justice. The same law he used to execute many, is the same law that was used to execute him. How many of you were here defending civilian contractors, journalists etc when they were being executed on video by Al-quadia in Iraq? The answer is zero.

What's Saddam Hussein's death got to do with the beheading of innocent people carried out by Al Quaida?
There's no point in bringing unrelated events together in order to cause distractions. saddam was never a member of Al Quaida and was never part of those who beheaded those journalists. Besides, if George Bush never went there in the first place, the journalists and very many other innocent people would never have had to die.

Go to the Nigerian High Commission in London and you see Nigerians never wanting to join a queue; always looking to speak with a known person within the High commission to have their ways before others who got there before them, you will also see the officials calling in their friends to be attended to before those who are on the queue.

Tell me if it's the president who instructed them to let their pals join the queues!!!

Tell me if the politicians instructed them to be rude to you as soon as they discover you're JUST a Nigerian whereas they are extremely courteous when dealing with white people!!!

MAMAJAMA:
gbengaijot Thank you the issue with the police in Nigeria resides in the presidency, we have law makers and president who failed to fund the police with adequate equipments and ammunition to perform their duties.
go to the police station and see how disoriented the place is. No computers, they are still using files to record criminal cases.
police salary is a joke, how can you pay someone 9000 Naira a month and you expect them to perform?
No housing, and more over, the issue with the police force is also visible in all the security agents in Nigeria, Immigration customs are all collecting bribes left and right.

When we get tired, as a people, of what the politicians are dishing out to us, we will do something about it. The problem is not just with the presidency, the problem is with MOST NIGERIANS having no regards for the society at large; being greedy and wanting fast money, always seeking the easy way out, always wanting to reap where we did not sow, always ready to jump a queue, always ready to bribe our ways through any situation.

when we collectively examine ourselves and make changes, we'll have institutions that befit us.

Gbengaijot, I'm glad you stated all those things that are NOT available to the police and will therefore hinder them from carrying out their duries effectively (even if they wanted to). Do you then blame the police for the country's lack of proper checkable datebase? do you blame the police solely for lack of infrastructure?

The problem is a problem with the whole country and you cannot single out the police for harsh criticism. I'm not saying that they dont deserve criticism but they cannot be singled out of the multifaceted mess that the Nigerian society has become over the years.