₦airaland Forum

Jakumo:
Nigeria is just about the only country I can think of where your money is NOT safe in the bank. It is fairly routine for banking officials in some Nigerian banks to simply pocket the contents of checking and savings accounts whose owners are out of the country, or in instances where the account owners do not personally keep an up-to-the-second tally on their account balance.

Commonly, banking officials in many Nigerian banks actively seek alliances with financial officers of large corporate account holders, and such partnerships can quickly spell disaster for such corporations when the looting starts with the cover provided by the "inside man" who quietly pockets his cut as the bank account contents magically evaporate into a haze of red ink. This regime of "creative accounting" may occur on very rare occasion in other nations, but with nowhere near the frequency that it takes place in Nigeria. Anyone holding sizeable deposits in a Nigerian bank should either make time to carry out daily and meticulous checks on the balances, or should close those accounts and head for higher ground before the mice get busy.

This is news to me.

TayoD:
Where are the opinions? Beside, this is not about America forming an opinion but about Nairalanders forming one.

Are nairalanders not allowed to form opinions based on whatever they believe?

curiousNja:
^^^^ Doubt that will ever happen.

Very many people thought so too.

It's a time game, wait and see

TayoD:
How many of you have met and lived with or had any form of relationships with Americans to be making all these conclusions? Or are your conclusions just based on Hollywood and CNN reports?

How many Americans have been to places about which they also form opinions?

Have those speakers all over Lagos been removed yet? does anyone here know?

TayoD:
@nilla,

Easyy has shown over and over again that there is absolutely no basis to have Bush tried in a court of law, but you keep spewing out your hatred in uninformed verbiage.

what

You dreaming?

Ndipe:
@Mariory, Nigeria is a muslim nation because IBB inducted it into ioc (islamic Organization council) But as for these attention on scammers, me no know, its is quite vexing that despite the negative publicity surrounding these shameful deceit, people are still falling for it. For once, the media needs to get its focus from Nigeria and also concentrate on American scams like paid online typing, pharmaceutical products that promises to restore your youthful vigor, lotto from fraudulent companies informing you that you have won a million dollars (and in small print, will issue out a warning), etc, etc.

Nigeria is NOT a muslim Nation. Nigeria is still a secular country. Babangida was just a notorious thief who tried to drag us completely in every kind of available mud

lewa:
God knows that some people casting aspersions on yankee slept for days on Walter Carrington
queing for visa-its now they know that its a country of arrogant people

the fact they tried to get there should not stop them from expressing their opinions, or should it?

birdman:
At least we don't have a congressman molesting children

Thank you.

Neither do we have a country where priests molest children

NSNA,

I've been thinking about it and hoping I have a little more money to do something like that. If we can start portraying western countries the same way they like to portray us, more people who have not been outside Nigeria will start to have a re-think.

It may also make the western media think properly about what they do portraying us in such negative image.

jammin, do you realise jamaicans do a very good job of portraying themselves as drug addicts and layabouts who never work and are always looking to sell drugs?

Akolawole:
@Eassy

Was my statement directed to you?
Are you the entity everyone?

The house of God has been completely turned to another thing.

This can't be gospel of the old?

Akolawole,

please check the meaning of everyone.

back to the subject, Akolawole, please read those scriptures in context and come back to tell us the meaning of what you read. Perhaps, you can enlighten us a bit

Mariory:
Stop embarrassing yourself. Abacha was not a kleptomaniac.

Show me where I said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth to support your invalid and irrelevant points.

Indeed it is. Everyone knows, except you apparently, that each day of their lives they make choices. Everyone, except you apparently, knows the importance of having the ability to choose especially when that choice is based on who is going to make laws that decide how you live your life.
You apparently do not believe in having a say in who your leader is. The Europeans and Americans would have loved your type during the slave trade.
Actually slavery is still practised in several places including Africa. Peharps you should look into it. You should fit in well as the slave.

I expected you to engage your brain but once again it has failed you.
Speaking refers to speaking out against oppression. There was a context upon which the word speak was predicated

you have nothing sensible to write in support of your silly beliefs so you just resort to insults and all.

adconline:
May be we do not know that the best country in Africa is not a democracy- Libya http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/819291.stm.
May be we do not know that the two fastest growing economies in the whole world are not democracy- China and Vietnam.

May be we also recognize that Nigeria is not a democracy but a civilian state. May be we have to know that democracy is all about numbers- 11 fools Vs 9 geniuses. May be we do not know that noble laureate Dr Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh has positively touched more lives than most politicians.

I think wealth creation trumps our own kind of democracy because most Nigerians understand poverty more than democracy.

Thanks bro.

These people with 'colo mentality' dont like to hear that. They are only interested in whatever their sponsored weblinks feed them.

Maybe we need to get our media to start labelling these nations as well. I'm a Nigerian and I'm not a scammer. No memmer of my family is a scammer but I get stereotyped by the western media.

Why doesn't our media also run some doumentaries on the lives of westerners? Their immorality and indiscretion etc. Why dont we have programmes to highlight that many westerners are drug users and junkies? why dont we have programmes to show how well our students fair academically when they are abroad?

Perhaps one of the problems is that quite a few of us suffer from "inferiority complex" or "colo mentality" where they are unable to see anything wrong in Nations which are economically better than we are.

Akolawole:
@Everyone

I can't believe why people interpret the Bible to their way of thinking!

You hear such stories like

1) That verse was meant for Israel not us.

2) What the bible was teaching is bla bla bla.

Is Old testament a forgone part of the bible?

Have you tried reading scriptures wholly without taking them out of context?

Dont be mistaken; I believe in both Old and New testament so I am not one to say something is in the OT and not for me now.

Easyy:
The basis for my submission on what I would like to be told by you and a few other BBS who have expressed their 'bushy' opinions is such remarks as you made earlier ;

"Make no mistake I don't think the Bush adminstration is anywhere near competent in its handling of Iraq."

With such a statement, you're either indicating that George Bush is daft in his approach or he deciced to decimate Iraq for some reason.

what does this statement mean?

"Make no mistake I don't think the Bush adminstration is anywhere near competent in its handling of Iraq."

Mariory:
It is a human issue.

Do you even know what a kleptomanic is? Abacha and IBB deffinitely weren't/aren't kleptomaniacs.
With demorcracy you have a choice to vote in leaders that work with your idealogy or leaders that don't. Rather than have whatever leaders forced on you. The point in demorcracy is, you at least have a choice.

You really do not have a clue. you really don't. The information Media in general, in Nigeria, have drastically changed compared to what it was during the dictatorships. You really don't have a clue.

I don't want to keep repeating myself but, you really should pull your head and finger out. Start putting the side of your brain that deals with rational/logical thinking to good use. It isin't there for fun.

You obviously did not see the signs of kleptomania in Abacha. You're either playing dumb or

It does not matter whether the media has changed or not. You stated that it is democracy that has enabled us to speak. Why not either admit that you came up with a wrong statement or try proving your point instead or this resort to senselessness. You really believe you have a clue

It's becoming obvious who is the one with any brain to think, it's obvious who consumes garbage and spews filth here. If you brain (I'm assuming you have one) works, you'll not spew such thoughtlessness

Mariory:
No doubt you understood what you ment there that cause I didn't and could care less.

You obviously have just been replying without reading first. If you had read you would have seen I have already stated Democracy in itself is not perfect. Where did I say all governments should be structured like the American government's? You are putting words in my mouth to support your arguments. The UK government is certainly not structed this way. I have only said democracy is the best form of government.

1. If you don't practice a form of government where people are free to express their basic human rights (democracy) then you will find yourself in trouble.

2.We also had the Abacha and IBB etc regimes. To some people these guys were angels who could/can do no wrong. Does that make such governments ok. Not in my book.

3.Yes indeed look at us. The fact that there is internet in Nigeria today is a consequence of democracy. The fact that you can criticize government is a consequence of democracy. The fact that you can join an opposition movement that has contrary views to that of government is a consequence of democracy. Yes all the freedom you now take for granted is a consequence of democracy. Yes it's cute to live in a free society and criticize democracy. Maybe you should try living in places like North Korea. Then we'll compare notes on which type of government you prefer.

To say that a type of government is not practised anywhere else and so should not be practised is to imply that one must follow what some others have done. Is it a semantic issue?

We had Abacha and Babangida who were nothing but kleptomaniacs. Does that mean every other government will be like them? Do you need me to start naming democratically elected heads of governments who have plunged their nations into the abyss or close to it? Maybe as a result of that, we should also jettison the idea of democracy.

It is arrant NONSENSE, mildly put, to suggest that the presence of the internet in Nigeria is a direct product of democracy. For you to suggest such a thing is beginning to make me have doubts about your ability to rationalise. I criticized a few undemocratic governments in Nigeria so to say that criticism is a result of democracy is nonsensical as well. Gani Fawehinmi has criticised every Government in Nigeria: has Nigeria always been democratic then?

How dare you lecture me about living in North Korea! Have you ever lived there? There are many Nigerian girls in Italy who have stories to tell about Nigeria simply because they believe those stories will help them get what they want; there are quite a few in UK too. Do these people necessarily present a true picture of what's happening in Nigeria?

Stop giving me garbage that you have been fed by your right wing media.

I am declaring myself officially single again,although I guess in the guys mind I have been single all along. I just want to know how an american girl who love the nigerian culture, get a Nigerian to see her as more than just an "acata" or an black american.What are some signs that he may like us for real? What can we do to make Nigerian men look at us as possible wives and not just harlots.

It could be that majority of you entice naija guys with sexiness.

Sexy - means to be attractive for sexual purposes. If all you are is SEXY, what then do you think a guy will take you for? espcially a naija guy.

This is not directed at you personally but I see this trend all too often in recent times. Girls need to know that possible wives are different from those who are just for sex, who always present themselves as objects of sexual pleasures.

4 Play:
@Afam

I have realised the futility of arguing with an ignorant nitwit.I will not advice u to stop posting since with a brain like urs, NAIRALAND represents your best chance of a scholarship.

"U will like to be told".With that attitude u will can never form a balanced opinion of this issue.

The first 6 words of your post summarise what is wrong with your analysis of the situation.You see and hear only what u want to hear.When Nilla linked a You Tube clip,u liked what u saw and that to u was weightier evidence of the topic,much better than the scientific polls I referenced from the Brookings Iraq Index(The Brookings Instituition was against the Iraq war)

No one has met my challenge earlier to show me a poll in 2006 where Iraqis say that the toplling of Saddam was not worth it.

I don't claim that the Iraqi people want the US to stay .

My point is that given,as even Afam was prepared to admit,that the Iraqi people said that the toppling of Saddam is worth it,what is Bush to be tried for?For doing what at the time most Iraqis approved of?For subsequently staying in Iraq when he had obtained unanimous UN approval ?

Beyond that,what is the legal basis for a trial.None

I still maintain that the only reason people are interested in this conflict in the first place is because of their dislike for the US in general and Bush in particular.Where were the calls for a trial of Saddam in the 90s when he committed mass murder against the Shia and the kurds?

The basis for my submission on what I would like to be told by you and a few other BBS who have expressed their 'bushy' opinions is such remarks as you made earlier ;

"Make no mistake I don't think the Bush adminstration is anywhere near competent in its handling of Iraq."

With such a statement, you're either indicating that George Bush is daft in his approach or he deciced to decimate Iraq for some reason.

1 Chorinthians 11:6

"For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered"

That one has been quoted out of context. If you read from the top, you'll see that the head which is to be covered was mentioned. It also tells you further down that chapter the reason for the commandment so I dont believe it refers to the physical head.

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

It rounds it up by saying:

16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Exodus 28:42

"And thou shallt make them linen breeches to cover their unclothedness;from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:


This was a proclamation of God for the cladding of Aaron and his SONS, when they went to minister to God. It was not a directive to the whole of the congregation of Israel (God's chosen at the time)

42. And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their unclothedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

43. And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.
   

I like, as much as possible, to stay on the topic of the thread rather than digress.

Deuteronomy 22: 5

"The woman shall not wear that which pertainet unto man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the lord thy God"

I hope you reaslise that when that scripture was written, there were no trousers in existence. I'd like to avoid contending with you over the word of God BUT; what exactly is THAT WHICH PERTAINETH UNTO MAN in terms of garments? It would be better to under this before we go to decide what is proper for a man to wear and what is proper for a woman to wear.

I met her when I was a member of Love Ward in Unilag and she used to come and mimister to us along with Bros Tee, now Pastor Taiwo Odukoya. She was always refreshing, and her brother was the President of Love Ward Fellowship.

She was also the Head of my Department in Church (before Fountain of Life started) and she was a great blessing to my life. I happened to have been in Lagos when she died and I needed consolation from my family members.

Her life MINISTERED to me in a lot of ways and what I learnt from herself and her husband are not things you learn from any institution in the world.

I look forward to meeting her in Heaven.

nilla,

God bless you for that link.

I like the fact that the interviews were with rwal ordinary Iraqis. Not just some alienated few given biased opinions to favour anyone.

It's suprising that Blind Bush Supporters (BBS) still have a difficulty accepting what is coming straight from real Iraqis. I suppose they'd rather have opinions which some American organisation has sponsored.

I have been away for a few days because I've been quite busy.

Startling to realise that there are Bush apologists; and then there are religious fanatics turned Bush apologists. The question is whether or not George 'war monger' Bush deserves to face trial for what he has, either knowingly or unknowingly, brought upon the ordinary citizens of Iraq.

It appears a few people here seem to believe that the lives of Iraqis are less important than that of Americans simply because majority of Iraqis are non-christians. Some others seem to be blindly willing to follow Bush wherever he goes (probably cos he rescued them from their paths to destruction while they were in Nigeria).

I'd like to be told either that George 'war monger' Bush intentionally decided to obliterate the nation of Iraq or that he is an absolute daftie who thought he knew everything while most reasonable people all over the world were telling him what they thought of his planned attack at the time.

4 Play:
@Easyy
U talked about Bush's massacres of Iraqis.But u now say he merely prepared the grounds for it.Does that mean that Nelson Mandela is responsible for the massacres that happened in the early 90s South Africa because by helping toppling the aparthied regime,he prepared the grounds for it.

There is a difference between claiming that someone did something reprehensible on one hand and claiming on the other that someone did something whcih led to something reprehensible happening.In a court of law the former will be guilty of the act while in the later he will only be guilty if it can be established that he intended that consequence

So the question is whether President Bush intended for Iraq to enter into sectarian conflict.The simple anwer is no. Nobody except those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome(the suspension of logic in pursuance of Bush hatred) will beleive that.

If people were responsible for the bad consequences that they merely prepared the grounds for, that will turn the world upside down.A mother who takes her son to a medical treatment will be responsible if the son dies as a result of the treatment going wrong irrespective of whether she intended it.

The people who are responsible for the violence in Iraq are the militia groups and jihadists who are actually perprating the violence

You mean he did not expect a sectarian conflict?

Oh okay so he thought he'll just go there and he can do as he pleases because he thinks he's God. If he prepared the grounds for massacre, he is responsible for the massacre!!!

It's all too easy to slaughter muslims now if you are not one.

Pray you have some supporters when it's your turn to be persecuted because of your difference, especially when you are picked upon for being different to the white ruling class.

TayoD:
@4Play,

I feel you my brother. The Bush Derangement Syndrome is a chronic disease that has spread like wildfire all over the place. The symptoms include hypocrisy, outright lies, blindness to obvious facts etc. I only hope it is not an incurable disease though every symptom is pointing in that direction.

Bush apologists may be in a worse condition. I hope they have people to defend them when it's their turn to be savaged by the savage.

Those who keep quiet in the face of evil will have no defenders in their time of tribulation.

Seun:
He would only have succeeded in killing all those who dare to oppose him. Progress isn't something you impose.

How do you know that? He may have succeded in cleansing us of the evil of corruption. Or are you one of the beneficiaries of the corruption of that era?