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America actually went to Somalia during the 90s and it ended in a debacle and they as well as the UN troops in general gave up on the place .

I don't know whether u want them to go again,if they did u probably condemn them for not minding their business

It's common knowledge that America was in Somalia in those years.

The number of Americans killed in Somalia then is nowhere near the number killed so far in Iraq but America is still in Iraq with no withdrawal strategy. I would condemn them if they went there with sinister motives. I never condemned any American intervention anywhere till the Iraq invasion and violation.

Seun:
Well, they don't have any oil!

Ha ha ha

Why did America not go to Somalia several years ago to try and impose it's own style of democracy?

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1st Timothy 3: 16

I forgot to add that Nigerians are not particulary great with manners in UK either. I'm not referring to each and every one but there are a lot of people who think of Nigerians as being brash mannered.

Oops, we need to get back to the topic

McKren:
Easyy

What you are getting at looks like the truth but I beg to differ.

Suggesting that Nigerians should confront a few things with themselves before attacking their leaders is not very accurate. Please Nigerians are not inherently corrupt or lawless, people's actions are a product of the society we live in, then the sorry state of our society is as a result of the wickedness of our leaders.
A country where there is no public welfare or social security people will strive to survive by any means. The corrupt people on the streets are doing so because thats their only means of survival, but our corrupt leaders are being greedy and wicked otherwise why will a man amarse as much wealth as his great grand children can not finish.

Talking about turn by turn, when you got to london for the first time I am sure you were amazed at how every other person is trying to hold the door for the other person to pass. Compare that to our culture where you have to push others just to enter moluwe.

Do you think if there were adequate mass transit, big buses, train and people actually have option anybody will be pushing others? Are Nigerians in london not observing queues, why will you struggle when there are options.

Go to Nigeria, our health facilities are in shambles our leaders refuse to put them together when they fall ill they run abroad for treatment. Our schools are in shambles meanwhile all the kids of our leaders are studying in UK and US. How many people can afford to come abroad.

You know what? Easyy. People are wishing our leaders death because they have not realised the injustice being done to them because if they do realise Nigeria is supposed to witness sucide bombing. Especially during the last PDP convention someone should have blown that venue during the convention so that leaders will learn to take the people seriously.

I like your views. They are the views that we have expressed for years with no result. To excuse people's inadequacies is that way is too simplistic.

I am not saying the piloticians dont deserve to be sent to the gallows for acts against humanity, nay Nigerians. My point is that a person who is corrupt can have no moral basis upon which to accuse another of corruption. If most people are corrupt, they have no right to point fingers. Let's all get our acts together for once.

If every Nigerian decided to lead a God-fearing lifestyle, obeying the laws of the land and being incorruptible, it wont be long till everyone says NO to the kleptomaniacs who have stashed away our funds in western banks for western economy to thrive upon.

On the issue of people becoming corrupt and lawless, Nigeria is not the only country which has no welfare system and where there is poverty. It is not a good excuse at all, you dont chose to become an idiot because there are too many idiots around you.

I will conclude by reminding you that we decided not to take the window of opportunity opened to us in 2000 and we decided to vote for the same rogues and their cohorts to rule us. Now, even if people vote against them, they'll rig the elections(so I heard) but we put them there in the first place. We could have made a clear statement by voting someone with no past political record or a clean past (I dont know if any of them has a clean past).


God will not come from heaven to change things for us. He will give us the opportunity to change things and if we chose not to make changes for the better, we will reap what we sow.

Peace bro.

you guys are outside the country and making these comments - what have you as an individual done to improve Nigeria? Apart from deserting her at her hour of need and wishing death to those people who offered themselves to serve the country?

I do not consider myself as one who deserted Nigeria. I have dual nationality and could have left Nigeria several years before I decided to leave out of my frustration; not with the politicians but with the average Nigerian as I saw him/her at the time.

I expected that the advent of 'democracy' in 2000 was a chance for Nigerians to make a bold statement about how they wanted to be governed. I was involved in a lot of things and a few projects which I wont divulge so you don't start taking guesses at my identity. I was disappointed that many Nigerians were so complacent and they were willing to vote for known thieves and treasury looters.

Also, many of us seem to believe that certain misnormers are just meant to be parts of our lifestyles. That's why no one frowns at corruption; everyone is ready to give and take bribes; no one ever obeys traffic regulations, no one ever willing to take their turns etc etc. These are things which we need to check within ourselves and then we can also confront the actions of others.

Needless to say, I did not desert naija but I got frustrated with the attitude of people who were not ready to put a stop to their own misery

Ynot:
Just so we are clear, whats the action plan of Nigerian youths? How are they going to help solve the problem? Going to the moon because it's there material can't work. I've heard people here talk about revolution. What will be the outcome? If taking action means destroying the society and burning down the limited infrastructure we have ONLY, forget it.

As above, Maybe the Nigerian youth has not had enough of suffering and the hardship of survival.

When Nigerians have enough and want to stop it, they will. History is replete with many of such around the world

You should have planned the pregnancy with him. I still find it hard to understand a one-sided pregnancy plan.

The child is not Nigerian unless you raise him/her as a Nigerian. The child is better off being Korean. When the child comes of age, he/she will let you know whether he/she wants to know more about his/her sperm donor.

Seun is right and since you are incapable of raising a child as a Nigerian, the child cant be Nigerian. Let your child grow the way he/she wants to grow up.

Genial:
When we are ready to take our stand and take what is ours. When we are ready to lay down our lives for what we believe is right. When we are ready to take the battle to the gates of our common enemy and defeat him on his own turf.

Nigeria will break free from the stranglehold of this cartel when the people have had enough.

Until this happens, we will continue to post rhetorics on an anonymous webpage.

Maybe the Nigerian youth does not know that Nigeria belongs to him/her. Maybe the Nigeria youth is so consumed by his/her 'today' that he/she has decided to mortgage his/her 'tomorrow' (future), just to have his today. Maybe the Nigerian youth has become so partially sighted and now sees the common enemy as his/her saviour.

Maybe the Nigerian youth has not had enough of suffering and the hardship of survival.

Maybe we will continue to post on websites and no one will actually do something positive about changing the pathetic state of the nation

nilla:
When the youths are ready to fight for their future. . .i think

Maybe Nigerian youth believes his/her future lies in being subservient to some people who think they have divine rights to rule the Nation to a standstill. Maybe the Nigerian youth just believes that he/she is inconsequential in the grand scheme of polical events in the country.

Or, just maybe the Nigerian youth believes in this class of thieving, looting families and their unborn generations.

Who is this Yar Adua guy?

He is the son of the late Musa Yar Adua of politics of money andf thuggery. The fact that IBB considers himself on Yar Adua's side is enough for me to vote a million times against him (I'm not even registered to vote )

When will Nigeria break from the stranglehold of the cartel of thieves, looters and their offspring? When will we decide to make a positive stand by voting for anyone but one known to have any connections with past mismanagement and misappropriation?

English1:
Easyy, I did say

'Still, everyone can worship in their own way.'

so what was your point exactly?

My point is that the Nigerian/African style of worship seems to be one of its own invention and has little to do with most other Christian churches. The extreme noise is the main manifestation of that - I just wanted those in Nigeria who maybe think that all Christians worship in this way to know that actually, no, they don't. It is not a traditional part of Christianity at all.

But, like I said, everyone can worship in their own way. I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to worship. Did I say otherwise? No.

Just don't disturb me while you do it.

I can tell you that Nigerian worship freaks me out because of the noise and the way that everyone gets so excited etc. Generally speaking Africans are just a lot noisier about everything than British people. That's not wrong, just different, but it causes a different reaction in me than it does to you. Any time a British person finds themself in the middle of a crowd of shrieking and shouting people waving their arms about they will run for cover- as it means that there is a terrible accident or a big fight or something awful about to happen. We don't behave like that in 'happy' situations. That is why Nigerian worship freaks me out. If I'm there then my heart starts pounding and I start to feel genuinely panicky - my body's instinct is that I'm in danger, even though my brain knows I'm not. That's because that's my culture's reaction to that sort of environment. Nigerians obviously react to it in a completely different way.

So how does western worship 'freak you out' exactly? Or were you just being silly and chanting my own words back at me like children do in the playground.

Isn't the English way of worship one of it's own inventions? The English way of worship is also different from the Hebrew way of worship and also the Chinese way of worship (so I've been told).

If you always get scared whenever someone raises their voice, it's you own problem and you don't have to be around them. You asked if I'm being silly because I said exactly the same thing you said about Nigeria and I reversed it to suit the English. Maybe if a Nigerian worshipper also finds himself in the midst of seemingly dead(lifeless) people - it means they are in a morgue and he'll run for cover.

Why can't other cultures be acceoted without some patronising remarks? If you know that it about different cultures, you should not have knocked it the way you did. One thing I observed about the original English is the penchant for patronising everyone else but they can't take a little unkind word in the same way they expect others to take their own remarks.

You did say "everyone can worship their own way" after knocking the way Nigerians worship. That's like saying the British act like dogs BUT everyone has a right to act the way they want.

LoverBwoy:
you dream too much

the British monarchy is "just there" they don't make laws _{they just say sign papers and drink tea with biscuit actually- ambassadors}

i think the British foreign policy is far better than the American before George dubbya bush came along

British foreign policy has been much better than American foreign policy since the arrival of George Bush in the white house. That explains why Americans are much more likely to be attacked by foreigners than British citizens despite the fact that British government fully participated in the immoral, illegal and unjustified attack on Iraq.

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This dwarfs Nigerian 419 and it does not mean that everyone in the US is a drug addict but everyone in Nigeria is scammer. Double standard.
Jammin, you pointed to the ills of Nigeria and did not feel comfortable when I highlighted some of the ills in your Island. Let there be a holistic debate on crimes OK.

That is an astonishing piece of news.

I only hope that when they decide to legalise it because too many of thier citizens use it, Nigeria does not stupidly follow suit. I remember some Nigerians losing their lives for drug trafickking and I still believe that No western government will punish it's citizens for engaging in business to the detriment of foreign citizens' well being. Many western foreign businesses actively engage in destructive activities in our society and no one seems to care. What they tell us is that if our governments are not corrupt, such things will not happen.

It's time to tell them that if their citizen are not animals who want to take drugs, no one will sell drugs to them

I've seen some Nigerian style worshiping and I have to say that it freaks me out completely. It is so far from the western experience of worship.

I don't understand all the shouting and screaming and repeating the shouts over and over. They treat God like he is deaf or stupid. Still, everyone can worship in their own way. It's wrong to disturb others though.

English,

I've seen a lot English worshipping and it really freaks me out. It's so far from Nigerian experience of worship. I dont understand how they worship and they all look dead or look like they are mourning a dead god.

I hope it is not expected that Nigerians have to worship God the way westerners worship.

This is one problem I seem to also have with many African churches.

I bet none of their members will be happy to hear some Imam or whatever he is screaming next door to them on a daily basis

Afam,

you're a good bro.

My experience in life has made me realise that those who often resort to insults when confronted with arguments and disagreements are those who like to push their views upon others by force irrespective of the senselessness thereof. When they realise the fact that their positions have become untenable, they turn to insults.

Keep on trucking bro 

Mariory:
Would you please stop typing just for the sake of typing and think. I cannot phantom how anyone with half a brain will actually believe it is better to not have a say in selecting who creates the laws you live your life by. This must be what arguing with a brick wall feels like. Your opinion wrong as it is, is your opinion anyways I guess.

what junk

Is this about people having a say in who leads them or about the type of democracy George Bush is forcing on others and the way he's going about it?

Engage that grey matter pleaseeeeeeeeeee

adcon, thanks

TayoD:
@Easyy,

No one ever implied what you have said above. Rather, I have only pointed out what I believe is a fact: most, if not all those who have expressed opinions, either good or bad, have no experiential knowledge of who an average American is. Most of the submissions I guess, are probably from the news media and Hollywood.

If such criteria is used for generalising Nigerians, then I guess we will all be regarded as 419ers and as fetish people.

You would do well to come out with American impressions of Nigeria and let's see what it is, abd how many Americans who have opinions about Nigerians have ever met as many as 5 Nigerians, let alone lived in Nigeria.

I am not saying the opinions expressed here are correct, neither am I saying they are wrong. I am saying that people have a right to express opinions, right or wrong. Americans are probably the worst at doing this because they form all their opinions based on whatever ABC editors and other media editors decide to feed them.

Afam,

RESPECT bro