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This is true to a great extent in Hausa culture, especially daughters of powerful women even if the farther is alive. But so long it's the mother whoa seen to make decisions and bring up the girl, many elders would discourage that marriage simply because the would inevitably be arrogant taking cue from her mum's independence.

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facelessangel:
Awo actually masterminded the coup. The plotters wanted to hand over to him.

Really? I can deduce from the letter he was sounding so cocky even when he was practically begging.

santino09:
Actually it was Ojukwu that released Awo not Gowon. Try not to re write history to suit your beliefs next time.

GTFOH he was imprisoned for treason a federal offense, hence only federal government could release him. OK why didn't he address this particular letter if then governor of Eastern region could release him?

Where were all these activists when NEPA and NiTEL were sold? Not that I support the sell.

Madman! go deal with your cuope de 'tat by Albarnawi seems even ISIS doesn't recognize you.

Chai e pain am o!
But the letter sounded like Awo was actually glad Tafawa Balewa and co were murdered he didn't make any attempt to condemn it no toppling of our young democracy. Or does it mean the first coup plotters and Ironsi were in cohorts?
Anyway I'd like to know why despite this romantic letter Ironsi never released him, till Gowon did.

carmag:
your submission is so touching!!!..unlike others that'll be hell bent in fighting a lost battle..I respect your exposure in life

Denying a problem exists only makes it worst.

Kai we don die today! Wel better late than never. *covers face in shame*

annunaki2:
He couldn't order people to stop slave trade over night but he could order people to forcefully change their religion over night Don't you feel stoopid when you come up with all this daft excuses to defend Islam?

Lol again that's your myopic view that even sees western historians as "dodgy Muslim apologists" It's a waste of time debating you because you don't agree with facts. Fact as obvious as verses that discouraged slavery. So I wouldn't delve into the issue of conversions to Islam. I told you times without number that because you hold such horrible Islamophobic view devoid of facts and sincerity doesn't stop other people from the west in particular from discovering the amazing virtues enshrined in Islam, which makes them convert in drove. It's up to you to chose what you do with your life.
This conversation is over.

annunaki2:
Stop talking rubbish, Arab muslims were the last to stop slave trade and so hard core muslims(isis & boko haram) in keeping with the sunnah of your fake prophet still enslave people till this very day. When western Christians championed and saw to the abolishment of slave trade globally your Arab Muslim lords were still enslaving abeeds like you.

It's obvious those Muslims that held on to slavery were doing it out of their selfish reasons not what Islam encouraged, just like the Christian west championed the abolishing for their strategic economic gain not really out of compassion.

annunaki2:
What you gave was the opinions of dodgy Muslim apologists and not a single verse from the quoran asking Muslims to free their slaves. The question remains, why enslave people in the first place? Why did islam's best example capture and trade in slaves? Why did Allah permit islam's best example and his cohorts to rape female slaves?

Dude it was 650AD you can't order people to change over night. It takes time and it's done in stages which was what Islam encouraged as in the verses 2:177, 4:92, 5:89 etc all talked about freeing slaves can you honestly not see that?
Islam is the second best thing to happen towards abolishment of slavery until it finally happened few centuries ago. That's more 1000 years. What Islam could do it has done which was to look at slaves as human beings with basic human rights and encourage they be freed whenever it's feasible.
Am done talking to you, I have made more than enough points and my conscience is clear.
Am outta here.

I wish it were an interview so we'd ask him about Abu Mus'ab Albarnawi as the new leader. heheheehhee I know he'd be infuriated.

annunaki2:
Al taquiya nonsense written by Muslim apologists to window dress the horrible image of Islam. The fact remains that Islam condoned, encouraged and even institutionalised slavery in their so called holy books. Why enslave people in the first instance Why rape slaves like mohamed and his cohorts did

You see your life? You asked for verses that encouraged freeing slaves I gave you almost a dozen and you are here asking nonsense questions.
A renowned historian like Bernard Lewis' opinion is Altaqiyya to your deluded minds. Anyway I will leave to it. Believe what makes you happy, I have done my best in telling the truth.
I rest my case.

It's a shame how many Christians don't even know how there supposed savior was actually addressed. If you don't know the correct pronunciation of his name how then are you sure all those translated passages in the Bible were actually done right?

Experts from Wikipedia

There are many common features between the
institution of slavery in the Quran and that of
neighboring cultures. However, the Quranic
institution had some unique new features. [20]
Bernard Lewis states that the Qur'anic
legislation brought two major changes to
ancient slavery which were to have far-reaching
effects: presumption of freedom, and the ban on
the enslavement of free persons except in
strictly defined circumstances. [33] According to
Brockopp, the idea of using alms for the
manumission of slaves appears to be unique to
the Quran, assuming the traditional
interpretation of verses [ Quran 2:177 ] and
[ Quran 9:60 ] . Similarly, the practice of freeing
slaves in atonement for certain sins appears to
be introduced by the Quran (but compare Exod
21:26-7). [20] The forced prostitution of female
slaves, a Near Eastern custom of great
antiquity, is condemned in the Quran. [22][41]
Murray Gordon notes that this ban is "of no
small significance." [42] Brockopp writes: "Other
cultures limit a master's right to harm a slave
but few exhort masters to treat their slaves
kindly, and the placement of slaves in the same
category as other weak members of society
who deserve protection is unknown outside the
Qur'an. The unique contribution of the Qur'an,
then, is to be found in its emphasis on the
place of slaves in society and society's
responsibility toward the slave, perhaps the
most progressive legislation on slavery in its
time." [20]

Bernard Lewis, FBA (born 31 May 1916) is a
British American historian specializing in
oriental studies . He is also known as a public
intellectual and political commentator . Lewis is
the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of
Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.
Lewis' expertise is in the history of Islam and
the interaction between Islam and the West. He
is also noted in academic circles for his works
on the history of the Ottoman Empire . These are commentaries on Slavery in Islam by renowned historians FROM NON-MUSLIM perspective who are diligent and unbiased to digest this particular. Then who are you two unknown who don't know anything to paint a gory image in your imaginations and arrogantly dish it out shamelessly. A word of advice, research on topics well before you make up an opinion, or worst post it on public domain.
cc true2god annunaki2

annunaki2:
I challenge you to quote one single verse in the quoran that discouraged slavery or encouraged emancipation of slaves. Also explain to us why mohammed encouraged his companions to rape their slaves?

true2god:
Sunnah ibn majjah vol. 3, book 12, is all about business transactions in Islam. And among the business transactions Mohammed engaged was the buying of slaves, among which is safiya, whom Mohammed bought from Dhiya in exchange for seven slaves (in hadith number 2272).
The main reason he bought safiya was to take her as a sex slave. No sane woman will marry a man who killed her husband, father and brothers. Mohammed killed safiya's entire family and later 'married' her.
If you take this evil character as a prophet or a perfect man, you better change that perception. Mohammed was evil to the core.

Further reading https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Did we not show him the two paths? He should
choose the difficult path. Which one is the
difficult path? The freeing of slaves. Feeding,
during the time of hardship... [90:10-14]
Righteousness is not turning your faces
towards the east or the west. Righteous are
those who believe in God, the Last Day, the
angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and
they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives,
the orphans, the needy, the traveller, the
beggars, and to free the slaves... [2:177]
The Quran lists the penalty for various
misdemeanours as freeing of slaves, see 4:92,
5:89, 58:3. It also implies distribution of
community/collective charities would
contribute towards freeing of slaves:
The charities are to go to the poor, and the
needy, and those who work to collect them, and
those whose hearts have been united, and to
free the slaves, and those in debt, and in the
cause of God, and the traveller. A duty from
God, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise. [9:60]
The only method mentioned in The Quran for
gaining captives (more correctly termed
'prisoners of war', not slaves) is during warfare,
after which they must be released or ransomed.
Keeping them is not an option:
Therefore, if you encounter those who deny the
truth (in warfare), then bring about the captives
until when you have subdued/overcome them,
then strengthen the bind. Then after either
grace/favour or ransom, until the war lays
down its burdens. That, and had God willed,
surely He would have gained victory Himself
from them, but He tests some of you with
others. And those who get killed in the cause of
God, He will never let their deeds be put to
waste. [47:4]
Interestingly, in the above verse, it implies a
preference for taking captives rather than killing
the enemy in warfare.
As can clearly be seen, taking all of the above
verses of The Quran into account, it would lead
to a gradual reduction in slave numbers and
eventually abolish slavery.

It's astonishing the level of your hypocrisy that you scout the Qur'an for verses to quote to serve your purpose but couldn't do same to be sure that there aren't verses that encourage freeing slaves even for the sake of the debate. You go about quoting historical events that happen as a result of chain of events. Anyway you are free to think and believe what you like, that won't change the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and especially in the west. Against all odds.

true2god:
Your lies are getting too embarrassing. Mohammed, your perfect man, bought and sell slaves and he did not abolish slavery.

Mohammed bought safiya, who he killed her husband, kihnana (ibn ishaq pages 414 to 418) from Dhiya in exchange of seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol 3, hadith number 2272). He also slept with safiya after killing her parents in the battle of khaibar.

Mohammed also encouraged taking woman as war booty and sex slaves. Nothing ISIS is currently doing that Mohammed did not do. Nothing! It takes an irrational mind to defend the criminal acts of Mohammed. All his evil acts and instructions are written in black and white, both in the Qur'an and the hadith.

Can you please bullet out my lies?

E be like say Bubu no dey understand this our sir at home. Na to storm street sure pass!

Dutchboy:
Buhari is also complicit,they want to sell National Assets to their cronies and international fronts and proxies.They are all in this together to shares the assets between themselves.

Do you really wanna go that lane? GEJ sold NEPA to his campaign financiers and if that sale is to be revisited non of them could escape.

Lol I remember when I pronounced "term" my class my students tried to correct me it's pronounced "tame" instead of "tam"
Another thing is the "the" aspect of English in Nigeria, even professionals now don't care about it it's now just "de" as in dere, broda, fada, Moda. If you try to pronounce it correct they laugh at you as a Hausa man.

annunaki2:
Your answer was actually very nauseating and your statement that Islam did a lot to minimize slavery made me puke and rile with anger. For God's sake Islam institutionalised and encouraged slavery and till this day slavery is still being practised in some Islamic countries and territories and justified with your sharia laws.

Well you can choose whatever you want to believe. But you know slavery predated Islam, so it was already an institution on its own before Islam. If anything Islam discouraged slavery and encouraged emancipation of slaves. That fact you can't deny.
Any individual, group or country that still practices slavery have no Islamic justification in doing so. And am not aware of any.

annunaki2:
So how does all the rubbish and irrelevant lies you wrote here justify the raping of female slaves by mohammed and his cohorts

OK I get it you are just a bitter Islamophobe, you can't even see the answer I gave, all you could see was LIES. If you don't believe in any point I raised, you can ask me and I'd give you evidence. BTW my I know whether you're an Atheist or a Christian?

annunaki2:
So how will you classify mohammed's act and that of his companions of sleeping(raping) female slaves? Is that fornication as well or just casual sex What punishment would you recommend for mohammed and his boys for raping female slaves?

You shall first of all know the tremendous effort Islam made to minimize slavery. It's the only religion that has freeing of a slave as atornment of sin. Freeing slave was encouraged and admonished as one of the greatest righteous acts. Sometimes the prophet use to gift out slaves to his companions and then tell them to free them so they could get the reward.
At that time in history the best thing that could happen to you as a slave is belong to a Muslim! So to do justice to your question you have to look at life from that point in history. A time when slaves in the Christian world were used as entertainment in arenas where they fight to the dead, a freed Muslim slave was becoming a governor of a large Islamic empire.
To answer your questions, even at that time the Muslims couldn't have random sex with the slaves, they have to be rightly owned either by purchase or gift. Kind of like a contract in marriage. So its not casual sex it's recognized institution up until it's abolished.

annunaki2:
Then you must be sick, deluded and thoroughly brainwashed.

OK between me and you I the sick, deluded and brainwashed one be cured enlightened and emancipated.

JackBizzle:
There is nothing like fornication. It is just sex.

Make sure you tell that all your children, and see how their lives will turn out.

JackBizzle:
Lashes as punishment for fornication??

And you think you follow a sensible doctrine?

Yeah, unlike those people who don't even know what's it's punishment, they just know it's a sin and then do it anyway... everyday.

annunaki2:
You were just being sarcastic, right?

Nope!

annunaki2:

Say what's on your mind now.

Suspectzero:
Because the new generation is too smart to fall for bullshit miracles. social media and technology would totally catch them out. Fake religions always roll with the times. Except babaric islam that's stuck in the 3rd century or whatever bumfawk century it came from.

Lol! Doesn't that tells you may be Islam is the. real deal?

following...

Allah ya raya! Am happy for them.