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Oninure:
You are taking this topic too far the question is btn Radiography and Nursing....we are not doctor's and we can't do their jobs so also they can't do ours....but ask yourself can doctors do nurse job...I will say perfectly....but not radiographers job.

But all na still hot cakes but the guy sud go and make personal research and again gender, self esteem and ego matter's.

Yes, I had to take it this far so you can understand that nurses are not slaves to doctors but professional allies. You started badly by speaking ill of the highly esteemed and noble profession that had long existed before your medical radiography. Nurses are doctors ( Clinicians) assistant in the hospital settings while Radiographers are doctors' (Radiologists) assistant in the radiology unit.


we are not doctor's and we can't do their jobs so also they can't do ours.
Again, you are wrong. the radiologist were the ones doing all the radiological procedures before now. They brought the radiographers into the hospital to assist them so as to reduce the workload on them. So, the radiologist do you job wella because that's their job before they brought you guys in.

but ask yourself can doctors do nurse job...I will say perfectly....but not radiographers job.
Another error. Doctors cant do some nurses' work because there are some aspect of patient's care taught in nursing school that are not taught in medical school such as Preparing Bed making for various patients, Performing Bed Bath, Performing Back Care, Performing Perineal Care, etc.

Oninure:
You are so daft. Is clinic not still hospital or health settings?
Can they work in industry or manufacturing company use ur brain na....I said Radiography can totally do without clinic or hospital or anything related to health like in military research/manufacturing (nuclear and radiation weaponry), Transportation ( Airports), refineries, oceanography, not even veterinary services etc....nurses must work in health setting otherwise they will do nanny.... Radiographers can chose to leave health line totally and practice industrial Radiography that's what I meant.

Lol... you see that word daft enh. It perfectly describe you and all the unintelligent posts you have been posting. Let me educate you for the last time. Your job as a medical radiographer aka Medical Imaging Technologists is to assist the doctor (radiologist) in hospital settings. So, you are a doctor assistant. Do you copy that?

And then, take note, your your work area is in the hospital setting where you take radiographic images of patients under the supervision of the Radiologist. Outside the hospital setting, like in the military and other industries, radiographic images are taken by specialized Physicists.

See the attachment for guidance.

As for the op, my final submission again is this, let your passion direct your profession.

Decimus:
You are outdated.
Anatomy(gross, histology, embryology)
BCH
Physiology
Pathology (both general and radiographic pathology)
Pharmacology
Microbiology
Are all part of the Radiography curriculum.
You just keep shouting "operator" without having sufficient knowledge on realities, you are just a student, graduate first and come to the hospital settings.

Chai... I'm sorry to burst your bubbles. Pathological basis of disease in human is divided into general pathology and systemic pathology and it's not in your curriculum. Attached herein is a copy of your curriculum.

Just imcase you are not satisfied with your job jurisdictions and you want to venture into radiotherapy, simply go and get your mbbs and specialize in Radiology, period. Please stay away from my mention.

Oninure:
They can even work out of the hospital wall like in Airports for scanning conceived drugs and lugages, oil companies and refinaries, Oceanography even veterinary hospitals(animals) also in military or research institute that deals with nuclear radiation weaponry all these are called (industrial Radiography).....meanwhile the only place nurse is employable is in the hospital unless she go do nanny...lol

This guy you are so so shallow in knowledge. Nurses work in all those establishments you stated and more. Nurses work in the clinic of every establishment. Think about it start from health centres in primary, secondary and tertiary institutions; military, banks, various industries. The list is endless...

Please stop giving misinformation about nurses.

Decimus:
Read the last paragraph, you'll see Advanced practitional Radiographer clearly written there.

As Operators during radiotherapy

Decimus:
What does the word therapeutic means?
What happens to cancerous cells when you bombard them with Radiation?
Do you think "machines" are the only source of ionizing radiation?
In Brachytherapy, a Radiotherapist injects a capsule or seed containing radioactive materials like cesium-131 into the site of the tumor to kill the cancerous cells there.
Again if you call someone a radiotherapist and argue that he doesn't carry out treatment, then what does the therapy in the name stands for?

Note: if you are still a student or you are not in the medical profession, just forget about it.

Guy rest abeg. If you want to treat, then go get your mbbs and specialise in radiology. Simple as ABC.

The advanced Radiographers are Operators that operates under the supervision of radiologists. That's the problem with you guys. You want to do the work of doctors when you don't have an indept knowledge of the physiology of the human body as well as the pathological basis of disease of the various systems. You think the human body is anything you can toil with just like that.

The answer to this your question: Again if you call someone a radiotherapist and argue that he doesn't carry out treatment, then what does the therapy in the name stands for?
... is simply an Operator.

Decimus:
Which hospital(s) pay house officer 280k?

Find out from recent house officers. I know some on 250k

Decimus:
What i shared with you is an excerpt from NHS in UK, did you see anywhere they mentioned Radiologists or that it must be done under their supervision? If you have any, kindly share.
I'm not talking about your average Nigerian health care system here where everyone is involved in a power tussle and everyone want to be on top of another person without respecting one another job's specification or description.
Radiotherapists don't need to wait for dose instructions from anyone, because Dosimetery is a vital part of their curriculum.
Radiography is very vast and technical,
It's easy for a common house officer to look down on a nurse with many years of experience, but the said house officer will be lost in a basic radiography unit.

Sorry, reasonable doctors dont look down on nurses. You see those ones beefing nurses and other health workers... they are weak doctors with nothing on their head other than some bragging rights. We are trained to even learn some procedures from them. I could remember one of the senior doctors telling us students to learn giving IM from the nurses cos he said no body will teach us. So, I respect nurses and other health workers.

Attached herein is a standing order in the UK as regards who is to give Radiotherapy. EoD

emmanuelbrown26:
D way we used to see nurses back then is no longer same sir. I'm not trying to disregard nurses at all. D fact still remains that Nigeria of nowadays is no longer Nigeria of oldies that nurses were hot cake.
Many nurses are collecting below 50k here in Nigeria, registered nurses.

Yes, this 50k is only applicable in private hospitals. And guess what the 50k is for like 6 to 8 hours in 3 or 4 times a week job. A nurse can combine one government job which pays like 110k with two private job of 50k each. In total she goes home with about 200k or more every month.

When they get to abroad, the situation gets more merrier sef because they pay per hour. Then, you'll see nurses doing 2 to 3 jobs in the hospital plus home services join. By the time you add those cash up in a month, you'll understand what a better take-home-package means.

Decimus:
You are right about your second point, that's part of why Radiography is more sophisticated.
However, a Radiologist is not needed to carry out Radiotherapy.
You can't just graduate as a Radiographer though and become that automatically , you have to undergo further studies in Radiotherapy/Nuclear medicine.

Not without the supervision of the consultant (Radiologists) who is actually the one to decide the dose and degree of expose to the radiographers.
In the actual sense, the radiographers are extremely subservient to the radiologists. In fact, the radiographers do the dirty work (radiographic procedures) and face the high risk of exposure to various level of radiation.
And this is the basis for the arguements where that poster said nurses are extremely subservient to doctors while radiographers are not.

Decimus:
He's right
Radiography is divided into
Diagnostic Radiography
Therapeutic Radiography

Therapeutic Radiography carryout radiotherapy under the supervision of the Radiologist. And this is done in larger hospitals like tertiary health facilities.

Here's how it's done. The clinicians (surgeon or physician) suspects a malignancy and then sends samples to the pathologists. The pathologists conduct some tests and confirm if there's a malignancy and sends the report to the clinician. The clinician then stage the tumor and decided to go chemotherapy or radiotherapy or both. He sends consults to the radiology department. Mind you, it is the consultant who is a radiologist that recieves the consult. The radiologist then plan for radiotherapy with his team involving the radiographers.

emmanuelbrown26:
U are 100% at d bolded sir and that's why every Tom and dick is now a registered nurse

Chai... I thought nigerian youths are educated... but with this your statement, I doubt sha.
Pls dont post if you know nothing about this. And never you disrespect the term REGISTERED NURSE.

To become a registered nurse in nigeria, you must be currently enrolled in a recognized nursing school in either a Univeristy (BNSc nurse) or school of nursing (OND nurse); and then you must have sat for and passed the three papers in the nursing and midwifery council's professional examinations.

May what happened to Akpabio in Akwa Ibom not happen to Wike in Rivers.

South-South is for pdp. If he leaves, he may likely leave alone. He should rather stay put and settle for a ministerial slot in pdp.

Oninure:
Lol...I am a 300l Radiography student...I think I am in the best position to give u analysis.First a nurse wud and will always work under the supervision of a doctor i.e extremely subservant to doctors bwhile Radiographers work with mutual respect and in some cases gives directive to doctors who basically know little or nothing about medical imaging
Secondly nurse cannot build or supervise a personal hospital or clinical center without being monitored by doctor while Radiographers can have his/her personal diagnostic as well as therapeutic (treatment) center without doctor
Thirdly
The esteem of Radiographers are uncompairable that they are referred to as Oracle of Modern Medicine and eagle eye of modern MEDICINE while nurses are merely reference as clinical Messengers.

Fourtly evolution of Radiography is not even at it peak yet because it will keep evolving with technology.
Fiftly nurse can only treat menial illnesses like maleria and typhoid and they cant diagnose....while radiographers is involved in tratement of malignant illnesses like cancer, infertility and they can diagnose (i.e they do diagnostic and therapeutic)
The list can go on and on.....u can contact me personally if u feel need more clarification 08081407652
HABRAD

First a nurse wud and will always work under the supervision of a doctor i.e extremely subservant to doctors bwhile Radiographers work with mutual respect and in some cases gives directive to doctors who basically know little or nothing about medical imaging

Secondly nurse cannot build or supervise a personal hospital or clinical center without being monitored by doctor while Radiographers can have his/her personal diagnostic as well as therapeutic (treatment) center without doctor

You are dangerously unformed and ridiculously outdated of the happenings in hospital settings. First, nurses have what they call NURSING CARE PLAN. In the care plan, they outline their diagnosis, analyze the disease conditions and work out their treatment modalities which involve both non pharmacological and pharmacological therapies. And it's based on this reason that nurses have licence to open private hospitals and employ any medical staffs they need. They are not under doctors as slaves but rather as partners with the common goal of duty of care.
This cant be said of radiographers that are trained to work in the hospital under the tight supervision of medical doctors. Your duty as a radiographer is to capture radiographic images and develop them as films. The doctors (Radiologists) interprete the films captured by the radiographers and then formulate the diagnosis based on clinical and radiographic experience. I see a lot of you guys in the hospital in the course of my training so, I'm speaking out of experience.

in some cases gives directive to doctors who basically know little or nothing about medical imaging
Also, you are wrong because, all medical doctors passed through radiology posting in 500 Level during medical program. Or are u refereeing to the radiologist doctors who have had 4 to 5 years residency training and you are telling us that your oga no sabi the subject matter? O boy u suppose recieve better cane if u mention this thing outside here.

Thirdly. The esteem of Radiographers are uncompairable that they are referred to as Oracle of Modern Medicine and eagle eye of modern MEDICINE while nurses are merely reference as clinical Messengers.
Oh sorry guy, I think you meant to say that you guys will be Outcast of Modern Medicine. If you like don't go and learn programming languages and add it to your radiography becauses when advances of technology hit you enh...
By the way, Nurses are not mere messengers. This is the wrong perceptions reflective of many uninformed nigerians. Rather, nurses are key allies to doctors in the administration of care to patients. Some times, they remind doctors of drugs or anything the doctor must have forgotten due to many things on the doctor's mind. During surgical operations, they ensure the operations go smoothly. Infact, nurses are the best friend of the doctors because correct the doctors lapses. And more importantly, nurses are the closest to patients giving them the opportunity to obtain favour outside the hospital after a job well done. Unfortunately, many nurses do not tap into this opportunity here in nigeria because of the stressful work conditions in country.

Fourtly evolution of Radiography is not even at it peak yet because it will keep evolving with technology.

Let me lecture you a bit, you see enh... the services of medical technicians/techologies/scientists is fading gradually with advances in technology. With time, stand alone devices to run most of the lab tests are underway and that will send many of the technicians and scientist off the market except you'll start learning to become a developer. To start with, have you heard of POCT which stands for Point of Care Testing? Please read about it if you care. That's the beginning of your nightmares. With more of such developments in the hospital, there will be lesser demand for the services of medical technologies/technician and medical laboratory scientist. You guys have been giving the pathologists (laboratory doctors) serious headache in the lab. But for the nurses, they are indespensable in the health sector, any day anytime.

Fiftly nurse can only treat menial illnesses like maleria and typhoid and they cant diagnose....while radiographers is involved in tratement of malignant illnesses like cancer, infertility and they can diagnose (i.e they do diagnostic and therapeutic)

Again, another error. Nurses treat through their documented Nursing Care Plan while No Radiographers is permitted to perform radiotherapy. Radiotherapy is in the exlusive jurisdiction of Radiologist (Medical Doctors). The day you try radiotherapy without the supervision of the Radiologist, you will face the council and then you risk losing your liscence.

As for the op, please let your passion direct your choice of profession.

Stanislaus18:
It might be in batches

Ok

The fsb registration portal is not connecting through. Pls what could be the problem?

Stanislaus18:
They just sent terms and conditions to awardees

Is the terms and conditions sent to students at once or in batches.

Is the terms and conditions sent at once or in batches.

Stanislaus18:
Did you submit your documents for verification initially?

Yes I did

Stanislaus18:
Check spam

Nothing in spam yet

I have not received the terms and conditions

Here is what to do. Don't go to her alone. Instead go with some elders she respects such as her pastor or any other respected persons. You all will plead with her and hand over the money 250k back to her. Make sure you lie down flat begging her.

She's a mother so she's likely going to forgive you when she sees the act of remorse and penitent. You might end up being a favorable son-in-law at the end.

Ok

KINGJAJA888:
I swear. The Christian God is as useless as P in psychology

I hope you are referring to the Almighty God, the Great and Mighty King, the I am that I am... It's because of His love and mercy through Christ Jesus that's why you are still alive even after cursing Him.
Be careful with what you say about the Almighty God so you don't incur destruction upon yourself.

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Kaduna1stson:
If you try anything funny, we will dust up your case file and that of mama peace. Nobody is allowed to talk about Nigeria unity except a fulani man. We cannot allow other tribes to be discussing Nigeria unity anyhow.

Be warned before our brothers in DSS remember you

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Arrewa:
these pictures below are your brothers from the east who are busy killing each other over two hectare of land!

Communal clashes is a normal thing in your region!!

Have you forgetten the hundreds of people that were killed during Aguleri and umuleri communal clashes??

Have you forgetten the killings in Anambra between obosi and nkpor??

Have you forgetten the killings that is currently going on in ebonyi??

The media is underreporting killings in the south east. I don't know why!

Killing hundreds over two hectare of land in the East is a normal thing!!

Every region has her own share of insecurity!

In the East even traditional rulers involve in kidnapping and robbery.

https://www.nairaland.com/836412/ebonyi-communal-clash-claims-55#9873630

https://www.nairaland.com/416730/ebonyi-communal-clash-claims-more#5735300

https://www.nairaland.com/5728928/15-persons-killed-ebonyi-state#87335012

https://www.nairaland.com/2378732/bloody-anambra-kogi-clash-displaced#34754293

https://www.nairaland.com/6131679/punch-four-killed-anambra-communal#94122636

Communal clashes is a normal thing in your region... Even this months there was killings killings in Abakiliki.

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Arrewa:
Ndume!!

As weak as Buhari!

As incompetent as Buhari!!

As cluesles as Buhari!!

He is still 1000 times better than Jonathan!

I still have not forgotten how Bokoharam took over the whole of a north East.

Abuja was not safe! Bombing here and there!

Kano was not safe bombast here and there.

Gombe, bauchi, yobe were all not safe under Jonathan.

More than 20 local government were under Bokoharam... Military barracks were not safe back then.

No state in the whole of 19 northern state is safe!!

There's no week that Bokoharam don't bomb and kills people in the north back then!!

Buhari has failed in stopping banditry in Kaduna, kastina and zamfara villages.

Buhari is just a failure just like Jonathan... But comparing them is foolish!!

Buhari is by far better than Jonathan!

The north would never forget!!

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PEguy2020:
dangwarai
uptimum123
SilverNorGld
yarimo
omenka
helinues
myBraine
OZOnNengiTeory
Edusouls
Onlyonebhari
Confirmedombie
georgakins
Arrewa

ILuvdemManna
Gidicars..
Kilonshele
AnanSek
Franzinni
Antoeni

Look at this monikers above , they are people hired to spill hate and spread hatred by their paymasters ...

They use divide and rule tactics to subjugate the south........They have more than 3 different monikers on Nairaland that they use to spread hatred

No more dividing southerners.....
Say no to old POLITICAL hags .......

God bless you brother. Especially that moniker, Arrewa. I've been observing how he goes about spreading various propaganda.

SilverNorGold:
:[s]D lol .. Falz my brother, 99% of the protesters are celebrating, not protesting.. Na party things.. Even my neighbors here dey celebrate

By the way, I know why this protest ain't ending anytime soon...

It's no secret that most Nigerians can hardly afford 1 cup of Garri.. In other words, the poverty level in Nigeria is extremely high, no thanks to our wicked leaders.

Now, there's an extremely rare opportunity for most of them to eat good meals, for free, and you want them not to take a good advantage of it? You want them to leave the streets, where Manna from above is falling on them, and return home to meet hunger?

Not possible! Happiness rarely keeps company with an empty stomach. Even if government like, make them turn Nigeria to Dubai overnight, these guys ain't leaving the streets as long as they keep getting free food..

When I said it before (see post above), people didn't believe, but now it's become so obvious that it's impossible to shy away from the truth. This protest has been reduced to a poverty alleviation program and carnival. In some areas, it has been hijacked by hoodlums and politicians.

The government really needs to be creative to tackle this issue, otherwise, this protest is here to stay for good.

May God help Nigeria.[/s]

Take a look at those protesting and ask yourself if they look like hungry people. The youths are protesting for a better Nigeria free of police brutality while you are here talking trash. Be careful there o make I no vex for you.

naija4life247:
Why didn't Obasanjo and Goatluck Jonaddaft Restructure?

You asked why, right? I will tell you!

Obasanjo practiced true federalism while Goodluck Jonathan practiced it more. So the masses see no reason to cry for restructuring. But under Buhari, what we see is nepotism and complete collapse of true federalism.

emae009:
I know what it meant, I was asking if the tribunal that nullify the election didn't know that before giving its judgement.

It's likely that the tribunal was compromised. I guess that's the reason the chairman dissociated himself from the judgement of the tribunal.