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menesheh:
Curiosity may have killed a cat or two, but intellectual complacency is killing the intellectual potential of our species.


You are dancing to the tune and pretty glad that you are holding a delusion and illusion of our stone age ancestors that know nothing about our environment, earth and universe. Obeying the dictates of ancient people less than one quarter of chromosome below present contemporary human.


Am certain you are not more religious than any atheist you see here. We are atheist because we care pretty much about whether or not what we believe is true or not.


Enjoy your delusion bro.

The enormous use of intellect and time by freethinkers has really helped, create a mobile phone today cure a cancer tomorrow.

finofaya:
The idea is that religious ideas are not more special than others, such as political or social or economic ideas. If you don't like a political idea like democracy, nobody accuses you of blasphemy. It should be no different with a religious idea.

Welcome to Nairaland's religion section. Hopefully, before long, there will be a change in what you find sacred.

You took the words right outta my mouth, very soon the Op will realise atheist is just another name for unbeliever.

dalaman:
Sure, because he exist in your imaginations. What better way to know something.

Your saying this changes nothing at all, but am sure you already knew that.

gabazin080:
den if he knows and I later realise dat tin is wrong and i don't do it den it means av gone against his will and view of tins. den it means he doesn't c all

Let me play along( note I share a different view altogether, I need time before I can share)

Counterfeit logic.
You are saying what happens if you realise you are wrong and then do right, does that mean God doesn't see? Of course not, you fail to see that the he knew you would change your mind about doing the wrong and then do right.

gabazin080:
i used to hear people say dis always. when something happened you see people say its GOD, that God knows about it. they say he already knows and has programmed everything that will happen to humans. if this is true then it means if I sin now he already knows I will. it means he already knows I will create this topic today. it also means am not @ fault for any sin I commit because he has already programmed my activities and know I will sin.
I asked my boss who happens to be a pastor dis question and his reply didn't answer my question. so nairalanders I want your views on this. is it true GOD has known everything that will happen to us

All through your post you refer to comments made by some individuals, why don't read and find out what the scriptures say about predestination.

dalaman:
Which truths are you talking about? Jesus himself was a false prophet according to somebody. Muslims belief his sonship was false, the Jews see him as a liar and a false prophet. You were indoctrinated to believe that he was the son of God, so which truth are you talking about? Your truth is subjective because it is a lie to another person.

Before, I only believed but now I know him for myself and that is why I can testify inspite of reproach.

Weah96:
This is not how things were done in the bible. The apostles were accompanied by wonders and signs in their time.

Lip service was not entertained.

Jesus walked and performed miracles in full glare in his generation, he was doubted, treated with disdain and hunged on the cross,funny enough centuries later some are still awaiting the saviour.

I don't doubt the heavy prevalence of false miracles but if you let that wear you out or inform your decision then your quest for the truth will be a short and fruitless endeavour.

plaetton:
Bullshyte.

Magnificent Bullshytes are being paraded I this generation by the present generation of evangelical fraudsters.

I hope you are not aiding and abbeting fraud on your fellow churchtians.

So you noticed? Then you might want to know the bible warned us beforehand,"watch out for false prophets.They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves",it wears out the likes of you lest you find the truth but strengthens the faith of those who see scripture been fulfilled.

Nonetheless if you pursue the truth 1/10 diligently as you pursue falsehood you shall find.

johnydon22:
Am not sure you can read at all, please read the post again and show me how this question in the least sense relates to the post or makes any sense to you!

I can't read, that make you ..... For typing to me to pass your message right?

johnydon22:
Belief in reincarnation has nothing to do with belief in a God. . .Buddhism believe in reincarnation but not a God. . . I think the reincarnation is just a ridiculously selfish idea just like afterlife, fabricated by men who in their greediness do not want to think or imagine that DEATH is absolute

So how does thinking that there is afterlife make death absolute?

Dapo777:
So eddlad over to you, if God in the bible could be performing suçh magnificent miracles, why is restoring amputees limbs such a difficult task for God, or why is God turning his back on amputees? Why does he seem to hate amputees?

Perhaps he doesn't exist.

Such magnificent miracles are being performed in this generation too, the spirit, heart, and mindset of those who saw and recorded it in that generation is in those who are seeing it today, very simple.

Weah96:
I read the bible and saw how faith in Yahweh was acquired. Dead bodies were waking up left and right. Pure water turned into Orijin. The ocean was once commanded to split open for an entire country to walk across.

Those people would have slapped you for merely using your tongue and fingers to talk about Yahweh. Show me. Do you remember Peter the fisherman from the stories? He didn't just leave his food to walk behind Jesus. Something extraordinary was shown to him and he decided to take his chances. In order words, there's always a demonstration.

There were still doubters and unbelievers prying helplessly, striving with all their might not to see what was happening right before their eyes, they are no different than this generation.

Your questions are predictable but commendable nonetheless, I can only hope you sincerely find God for yourself if your quest is true and sincere.

Weah96:
You turn to the scriptures. That's where the line is. The point we're making is that those same scriptures have given you the power to move Mount Everest from Nepal to Lagos, using the power of your tongue. How come nothing unusual ever happens?

In your scripture of reference Jesus was admonishing his followers for their lack of faith and teaching them to observe how limitless their faith can grow.

There's only one way you can truly know God without doubt and that is to know him for yourself.I can paste some links to some thought defying miracles but you and I know that you are past that.

Seek Him genuinely not as a challenge, if he finds you it will be testimony to you and those that knew you and he doesn't...I doubt.

Sarassin:
@OP

If I were you, I would tone down the rhetoric, your ultra conservative stance makes a mockery of the fact that you, a middle-aged gentleman of colour living in suburbia are a net beneficiary of liberal thinkers, perhaps you are merely blind to the fact that your monotheistic cult is far more insidious, dangerous and has been more of a menace to society than any person of dubious sexuality.

You practise a religion that preaches spiritual but not earthly equality, and the negroid must be the daftest man on the face of the planet to call himself a Christian, a religion that all but despises the very core of your being.

What is your opinion on church sanctioned slavery, human trafficking, expansionism and colonialism all in the name of the one true jealous God? Let us not forget, Christianity has never repudiated slavery nor racism, these twin evils were brought to an end by liberal minds and bright thinkers, the church itself were slave masters, one of the first slaver ships that set sail from England was named "Jesus", St. Augustine termed slavery "the curse of Ham" and wrote that "slavery leads to social order". John Chrystosom advised "slaves should accept the reality of their condition as against the uncertainties of freedom" (the cheek of the man).

Pope Gregory, no less visited the slave market in Rome to run the rule over choice slaves. In France, slavery was considered harmonious with the laws of God, to speak out against slavery was to speak out against the "Holy Ghost", afterall the Apostle Paul instructed that slaves should accept their status. Monasteries were major slave dealers. The church decreed that slavery was in accordance with catholic theology. Many churches made so much money baptising slaves that when slavery was finally abolished many of them hit financial crisis point.

Without a doubt, your monotheistic cult has been directly responsible for a lot of the ills it claims to stand against, it has been the foremost against any progressive social policies conceived for the progress of man and concerned only with the propagating of its feeble myths and collective self-aggrandizement at any costs.

Were it not for liberal thinkers who gave up limb, liberty and life in pursuit of a greater freedom, you would likely be spouting your ill-digested fundamentalist dogma in the comfort of velvet ankle, wrist and collar chains, consider that the next time you feel like demonising people on the basis of their sexuality, religious belief or social order.

Were there liberal individual during the slavery era? Did they commit any crimes?If they did then I will chalk it up to human predispositions and inclinations.These people never really did need a religion to perpetuate their crimes, but am sure you knew that already.

The bible was not written to incense violence or crime, in no way does Jesus advocate or support those who perpetuate them and it's on him Christianity is built.

MarieSucre:
Hehehehe. You say you have a female relatives yet you call it "my agenda". woooow, just wooow. And "I" should not push the agenda, "We" as a society should. Stop getting defensive. Nigerians and their "it doesn't affect me so its not my business attitude".

Take care.

okay, "our agenda infact am the originator of the proposed idea,".
Can I go now?

johnydon22:
Jesus Christ Malvisguy which day will you stop this nonsensical copy and paste in your life...Now you have shifted from acknowledging the younger fables copied from the older fables and moved on to the Comparatives of the God claims, i would only leave you to take on that claims with your fellow theists because as far as am concern all your claims are all born out of myths

All the claims of these God concepts are exactly the same as the claim of yours....
(Biblical claims One man, other cultures claims group of persons) Hereditary and Genetics has shown the group of persons is more plausible. . .
And which scientific theory says life began from a single celled organism?
(Again this shows you need to read malvisguy, bible says one man and you want to reconcile it with a unicellular organism?

For crying out loud Man is Multi Cellular organism not single

If God wanted anyone to see him, I think he would have done better, I personally don't subscribe to these neither do I doubt them they simply don't have any bearing on my faith.We must strive to build our faith on things that can't perish and the only I know of is the word.

@quoted individual
Clarify your point and not just this post, I mean your very presence on this thread.

MarieSucre:
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not say you "support" male rape but you "exclude" male rape. Grammar, Sir. Its all in my post.

There is nothing wrong with being cautious but when caution is advised as the only reply every time ANY atrocity is committed, it shifts responsibility from the culprit to the victim and makes the victim the only one culpable for the crimes. It leads to an air of normalization of said crime. And taking such a stance also leads to a lackadaisical attitude with dealing with it.

If the only reply given by the society with each Book Haram attack was for the victims or indigenes of affected zones to run and take cover and not enough condemnation of the dastardly act, there would be more bombs everywhere else but the north. Just like rape... because they(Boko Haram) would be emboldened knowing that people would be too busy playing the blame game to mount any form of defense.

WHERE EXACTLY DO WE DRAW THE LINE IN WHAT IS JUSTIFIED TO BE STOLEN AND WHAT IS NOT.
1, The gullible white man who meets a yahoo boy.
2, The woman who leaves her bag open in a bus
3,The elderly man who goes to buy a phone at computer village(he should have been cautious enough to take a younger man/woman who is knowledgeable about gadgets... so then, let's cheat him!
4, The woman who wears a jean trouser and shirt in the north(why didn't she wear a hijab too? Lets rape her!)
Come on. Just come on dude.

Shame. Public Shaming, criticism and disassociation is a powerful tool. Communist China used it through the 60's, 70's and 80's to keep public officials in line. Shame has been used against the victims for centuries to shield the act from it's due criticism. Its time we turn the tables and publicly shame, criticize and "not justify" rape of any form.

I'll be watching for your next posts on any topic concerning rape and I'm sure you will do the right thing.

Thanks. How is your August going so far?

How old are you? I think you should push your agenda through public gatherings, schools ,markets and whatnot, your ideas are not anything different but your enthusiasm will be acknowledged.
Please don't quote me again.

MarieSucre:
I understand your position. Moreover rape does not happen to only females so saying you have female relatives is isolating the numerous male cases.

In the same vein let us not encourage or justify it because that gives it validity. Let us shame the rapists and the crime being committed. We do that to politicians. why exclude rapists. So pls I beseech thee, the next time a post like this is brought up shame the rapist and not make excuses for rape.

Thank you and Happy new month.

And you inferred from my post that I support male rape because I didn't mention it and being cautious is a form of justification?
I give up.

MarieSucre:
Your analogy is wrong. Very wrong. You're more likely to be raped if you lie on the floor without undies and spread your legs.
Here is why it is wrong:

The analogy is built on the basis of appearance. You appear to be rich so a strongman's sense to possess what you have us aroused.
You appear to have more skin exposed so a wild animal's libido is aroused. It is the same thing.

What is wrong with human rights and women rights?
Are you saying they are wrong?

Are you trying to justify rape?
Even if somebody leaves that car door open should that justify theft.
What if a homosexual man sees you dressed in those your fresh clothes looking fleek with that body hug shirt that shows your six packs and that tight jean that shows the bulge of your *clears throat*. Should he then push you into an uncompleted building and buttfucck you after you aroused his libido?

What of the money in our treasuries that our politicians loot? Should we not complain because it is our fault for not putting pin on our "public fund" and making it look so juicy in the account for them?

STOP SUPPORTING BAD THING. RAPE IS WRONG NO MATTER WHAT.

People don't care in this world as far as it does not personally affect them so I don't blame you.

We keep complaining that the world is a bad place but we fail to condemn what makes it bad.

Am a very understanding individual you didn't need all that to make me understand you.
I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE, AND YES IT AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY AND EVEN IF IT DIDN'T I CAN STILL SYMPATHIZE
Because I have female relations on all levels.
All am saying is, you can depend on the goodwill of people or you can take precautions afterall, humans are not the most honest and pleasant species from the little I know.

MarieSucre:
You're also "more likely" to be robbed if your attire/car looks expensive. Does it make the robbery right?

Your analogy is wrong, more rightly put would be
You are more "more likely" to be robbed if you leave your car doors opened and leave the key in the ignition.

I would comment but regardless what I type, wear provocative dress, one irresponsible man would rape you, you will be pursing human right and gender equality and whatever you posted up there,after you have contracted any of the contractables, life would still go on.

plaetton:
What is this bloke talking about?

Which 12 people propagated which gospel?

If you don't know then it's probably a que that it's not meant for you.

plaetton:
LOL.
Another " God works in mysterious ways" nonsense.

God is a mystery, who works mysterious ways.
Then I wonder what exactly is the purpose of religion? The worship of mystery?

You work hard to sound immature among all the atheist(no need to me attack, I could probably clarify myself but if feel you know what I would say then why comment?No offense intended)

I added my reason for the said point as per the topic at hand,why not question on that.

Dapo777:
Good, so hold Ur peace

always have.

Dapo777:
Yes I will, now show me one will you?

How can I show you after all I said to you.

onetrack:
More likely they researched using science to create the advanced technology they have today.

I doubt because the pain and suffering this advanced technology has brought, it's hard to believe that this gun called advancement is being load by innocent scientists.

Weah96:
Yes, it failed to prove itself. That's what I've been getting at. Do you understand now?

The Abrahamic books have failed to prove anything by a similar measure.

Abrahamic books?What happened to your hypothetical book? Is your hypothetical book the bible?

Weah96:
OK, in the book, the salt should form within 5 seconds. The book also says that seconds are seconds. There are no trick definitions. It makes this point very clear.

Would you go to Chapter 2?

It gave a stipulated timeline and failed to proof itself? I know would like to find out why that happened.

I really like hypocritical books but can I know what you are gunning at?

Weah96:
You're in the process of losing your train of thought, a behavior typical of humans who are hypnotized from birth.

We're still talking about my hypothetical book, right?

Did you talk about a different book I didn't read you write?

onetrack:
All witchcraft is fake. I have never seen a single legetimate demonstration of it. Otherwise Africa would be the most powerful continent because of juju.

Maybe the others have their own too, more orderly and powerful.

@Op am a Christian I don't subscribe to witchcraft or least how it's portrayed.The scripture you quoted depicts the hierarchy in the forces of the those opposed to the kingdom of God.
The whole witchcraft scheme is aimed at instilling fear in the minds of unbelievers, sadly it has worked to a large extent.

Weah96:
Yes, it does. The book gives the time along with some other signs which indicate that the reaction is underway. It expects us to see a pink smoke, along with a hissing noise, before the salt forms. Hypothetically.

Now, neither you or anyone on the planet can provide a demonstration, after following the directions. There's no pink smoke, or hissing noise. No salt forms.

Would you continue to Chapter 2?

And what was the timeline,by all means tell me.

Weah96:
Fact, judging by the words that the books contain.

For example, a book tells you to mix a certain part acid and a certain part base, forming a salt. You collect the appropriate materials, mix them, and nothing happens. You repeat the incident over and over, double checking the materials and quantity each time. Still nothing. You ask others to show you how it's done. They can't. You contact practicing chemists, and they are unable to perform a demonstration.

What conclusion do you draw from the book? Would you bother going to Chapter 2?

Did this book tell you the exact time the reaction would precipitate the salt?What if you are to let the solution sit for say a year,after all it gave no timeline.

Weah96:
The bible and other holy books are not unlike Aesop's Fables.

is that an opinion,a suggestion or a fact?