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Weah96:
Forget the non existent being, it's called non existent for a reason.

Good humans don't allow a lie to propagate freely without saying something. The more entrenched and institutionalized the lie, the more shyt you have to say or do. You call it fighting God, I call it a mission to force humans to speak the truth. Truth is the key, not the subjective Israeli God, or the Muslim God for that matter.

"Good humans"??
How do you measure this your "Good"?

At first terrorist and misfits use to just "talk" about their fumes and great disgust on isssues but now they have the grenades,nuclear missiles and AK's to prove their displeasure and much their "upgrade" can be accredited to atheist and scientists all on the premise of knowledge, discovery and development.

If you are truly disgusted by the current happenings, then start there, your backyard.

menesheh:
Awesome premises and conclusion. That's the contradictions from every angle you want to access and evaluate the stories and claims of christainity.

They said that our main purpose of coming here is to access freewill and decide whether or not to go to heaven and hell, and this access is once and for all, then one will die and await judgement day. The other way round is that one will still come back here on earth in next life (reincarnate). This is deliberate violation of the principle of non-contradiction.

Christainity indirectly encourage evil deeds by telling believers that their sin will be wide out and it will become as white as snow. By believing in reincarnation, one can take the risk of committing all sorts of vises in this life then await next life to make restitution to evils done in the previous life and jesus will still surely accept him back.

"Christianity indirectly encourage evil deeds"
By saying this it means non believers don' t indulge any social vices.Apart from the fact that you are wrong I would like to emphasis that people who commit vices don't need any eexcuse, premise or religion.

Sweetrolly:
THIS ISSUE OF REINCARNATION HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR A WHILE NOW BECAUSE A LOT OF CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION BUT FROM WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT AFTER DEATH COMES JUDGEMENT AND THAT MEANS THAT WHEN SOMEONE DIES JUDGEMENT FOLLOWS AND IT MEANS THAT YOU WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO YOUR DEEDS ON EARTH AND IT ALSO MEANS THAT AFTER YOU ARE BEING JUDGED TWO THINGS ARE INVOLVED WHICH ARE:

1 IF YOU ARE FOUND GUILTY ACCORDING TO YOUR DEEDS WHILE ON EARTH YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO A PLACE OF SUFFERING WHICH IS HE'LL FIRE

2 IF YOU ARE FOUND INNOCENT BASED ON YOUR GOOD DEEDS WHILE ON EARTH YOU WILL BE REWARDED WITH HEAVENLY CROWN AND A LIFE OF ENJOYMENT IN HEAVEN

SO I NOW WANT TO ASK SINCE AFTER DEATH COMES JUDGMENT WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO MUST HAVE BEEN JUDGED STILL COME BACK TO THE WORLD IN FORM OF REINCARNATION?
WHY DO MANY CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THIS?

GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

From which premises do you base this your reincarnation you think Christians share.
I think you should up what the people who coined the word meant by it.

davien:

Christains are chastised for using their intellect to create "sky daddy stories" , am merely pointing out what the minds of our free thinkers and scientists have used produced.Thus far.

cold:
Your cheap blackmail fails you.Lol @seeking revenge on god. How do you seek revenge against a non-entity? Like i said earlier,keep your skydaddy stories to yourself and your ilk and you won't have to worry about me taking your beliefs to shreds. It's that simple.

"Keep your sky daddy stories to yourself"
Yet here you are seeking for it, reading, enjoying and even commenting.How smart is that?

davien:
I call the flash a hero,therefore I admit the flash exists...

That sums up the type of thinking you have.

Let's use our intellect to make phones, that way we can call the doctor after it gives us cancer....

That sums up the type of thinking you have.

mrnigeria:
It is no news that every article written by the average atheist is designed to attack the judeo-christian God. I read an article earlier today about a transgender who took the word of God out of context and twisted it to suit his end. I'll tell you what I discovered from the twisted article.

DENIAL: For you to call God a monster, it means you admit He exists. For you to say you would rather burn in hell means you have considered the possibility of hell's existence.

ANGER: The subcutaneous anger, a subliminal reason for the transgender to write such a misguided article. Maybe society was harsh to him. It doesn't mean God does not exist.

THE GAMBLE: It is a choice. A life of holiness, or a life of poor self restraint. If hell doesn't exist. Well, you gambled. If it does, you will have a eternal supply of suya from your own body.

Finally, I've seen God. He's everywhere. You have freedom to say He doesn't exist. I have a conviction that He does. I am not going to force you to share my belief, but you also have to respect my belief.

It is a shame that the minority who are asking for respect and equality do not understand what it means at all... You atheists are free to attack me, it just shows your anger and confusion. God is alive. Long after you are dead, He will be. Respect that.

Everyone shares the possibility of the existence of God, we(Christians) know it(certainty), some atheists too realise it(the possiblity), some give it little thought and but are quick to rationalise with what little facts and evidence they are availed to and so dismiss the premise.
In short,no matter how minute,every everyone comes to terms with this fact, this possiblitity, some quicker, others whiles drawing last death.

MizJanet:

simple logic , just that you are so dumb not to see it .


If its only your human flesh that dies , while the real you is imortal , then what u ar saying is that only the flesh of jesus died , while the real jesus himself is imortal !

Thats why your pastor get lost

Answer this : is it Jesus that died or only his flesh ?

I can answer you biblically or logically but my fear is that you won't be able to comprehend.Am also unsure what your motives are.

MizJanet:
Opinion of the MAJORITY rules .

Single interview with one ? Buhahaha , are u denying it that the christian theology belives their real self is the soul and it never dies ?

Vast majority of christians hold to that view .

Pull yourself together and think straight .

Even our atheists are inferior, lame, no reasoning, no logic, just a bunch dumb kids with smartphones. Oh Africa why?.

MizJanet:
, they cant even counter the points raised .

What points.?

cold:
Full frontal,take no prisoners,pull no punches,no holds barred article. It goes right to the heart of the matter and takes the god concept or whatever is left of it to shreds. @Johnydon22, a stellar job you did here.

I agree with you, he shredded the false gospel now we can begin discussing the true unadulterated word.

onetrack:
Nice write-up johnydon22. I think that this (showing the absurdity of such a god) is one of the best ways to reach people who may be wondering about their own beliefs. Hard-core religionists are not going to change their minds with this post and I don't think that this is for them.

Another avenue of attack is continuing to show the errors in the so-called holy scriptures. This is actually where it is easier to attack Islam than Christianity because the Christians recognize that human hands were involved in writing the Bible, and so they can dismiss such errors while concentrating on the message. Muslims have to deal with the fact that the Quran is the direct literal word of Allah, and so any error brings down the whole structure--and there are a lot of them. Not that they don't have their own propaganda machine to counter such criticism.

Ultimately, by referring to the idea that this life is a test which is why bad things happen to good people and why god doesn't reveal himself, religionists fall into their own trap. Maybe this life is a test and god wants us to figure out that religions are man-made, and only those who figure it out get the ultimate reward (though the idea of sending religionists to hell would be a repulsive idea which any self-respecting atheist or agnostic or deist would not wish upon them).

And of course continued use of clever memes are good because there are many people who won't read more than two or three sentences and would skip right over much of what you wrote.

Read my response to his post and address me, I could be lost you know.

johnydon22:
I saw it and is that supposed to be a refutation exactly

Because you just kinda added more

Where and how exactly

johnydon22:
Lol lets hope the Mods will listen. . .

I have commented on your post.

krattoss:
why do u religionists always use the word seek?

Who told u i havnt seeked? Then if why would i be an atheist if my seek had been answered.

Ur god fables captivated the heart of many cos as of then, no one could have explained how they got here, so they heaped it on supernatural being.

Or better still to some selfish reasons which i cant comprehend.

I have read and commented on the Op post.

johnydon22:
[b]Before anybody shouts or plays the victims card here about their own religion, let everybody know that in this post when i say "God" i am not only referring to One deity but to many. Both the Muslim and christian concept will be referred together as God, this is a mind tickling thread and a charge for independent reason.

I have always seen Muslims here threaten a Christian with hell like "Repent and turn to God and his holy prophet Muhammed or burn in hell" Ironically Christians also accord the same favour to them like "You will burn in hell if you don't accept Jesus" and then funny enough both religions too regard atheists to be hell bound and also adherents of other religions.
You see, its not even about being a theist. they all still think you are going to hell either way as long as its not theirs. . Christians still think Muslims are going to hell just like atheist even though Muslims believe in a God and same thing goes the other way round.

Now looking at the idea of HELL, it is ok to point out the heavy influence of greek culture on the new testament. The old testament (Judaic Tenark) knows nothing like a HELL, but the influence of the greek underworld concept TARTARUS gave birth to sickening concept HELL when adopted by the newly emerged religion.

RESPONSE
Our Lord and saviour's words;"repent for the kingdom of God is at hand", peace, love, essentially portraying the end to world suffering and all those would thrive, perpetuate and oversee suffering thereof.

I once told a christian that was preaching to me "The very concept of a HELL, ridicules the idea of a God. It insults it and drags it to a level lower than a human"
One might be thinking my reason for saying this.

I have wooed many girls in my life and if i recall correctly i have never said to any of them "I love you, love me back or i hurt you" any sane mind will see that everything should be wrong in that statement.
The very idea of me hurting her if she doesn't love me back nullifies my confession of love for her.
Take another look at that statement, it is a blackmail and an abusive word. I have threatened her so it is a blackmail, if she doesn't love me back i will hurt her. It is a sheer blackmail giving her two nonsensical choices.

RESPONSE
Little bit of "Akan drama" but if your point is that God employs fear tactics then you wrong."Let he who has ears let him hear", you are free to pursue any belief or disbelief you see fit.

Now this is one of the reasons religious people do not know that they themselves ridicule their God concepts even more than atheists, We have seen everything wrong in the statement i presented above, but then again let us show the very large scaled way this is used.
God says "I love you, if you don't love me back i will burn you in hell forever" Am sure everyone can now see everything wrong in this, it is blackmail, it is blatant abuse and the very sadistic idea of punishing someone because they don't reciprocate your love reveals egoism at a chronic level, it is barbaric as well as it is repulsive and blatantly implausible. Yet they want us to swallow that a perfect being operates within such childish egoism and abusive ways.

RESPONSE
It therefore follows rightly that when the Lord descends In his Glory to establish his kingdom those who prefer violence, adultery, hate and whatnot would be rid off.If you read my previous post it makes this perfectly clear, and puts the decision squarely at your feet.

Come to think of it, God should be perfect right? Yes Yes God is perfect. God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, He is even omniperfect.
This very idea of perfection is a flaw in the character people have heaped on their different God concepts. Let us see how.

God is perfect, perfection needs nothing. A circle needs nothing added to it to make it 360°. At 360° a circle is perfect and it is impossible to add even 1° and if you take away 1° and makes it 359° it ceases to be a circle.

So God is perfect, God needs nothing, you can never add anything to it neither can you take away, perfection is just perfection.
If this is the case and God is perfect, this surely means such being needs nothing like Worship, reverence, acknowledgement, praise and all these because it is just perfect.
If God is perfect it simply means that all the worship and reverence etc are useless because he doesn't need them, unless you assert it is not perfect then i will agree it needs them to feed his ego and so feel important.

RESPONSE
The error lies in what you perceive as worship."though shall not steal",should I refrain and curb my urges to take what's not mine, revering God and doing his bidding, that alone is worship.
When the bible points out that Christians will reign and worship the father in his kingdom to come, it goes to emphasize that the will of God will reign in the hearts of men and peace, love and happiness will reign thereby for there will be no looting, killing whatsoever.

But religions drag their God concept too low to a level that it needs worship and acknowledgement on daily basis, needs it real bad even threatens people with eternal torture if you fail to give it, this very quality betrays the idea of perfection and drags down the God concept to the state of Egoism, Narcissism, sadism and all round imperfect.....

RESPONSE
The purpose of enlightenment is to teach to do and observe, from what I have said thus far, answer yourself.

"Believe i exist and i reward you, disbelieve and i will hurt you so bad forever in an eternal roasting fire" Can abuse and blackmail get any cheaper? You would agree with me an existent powerful and perfect being (if there is even need to) do not need people to be threatening others as to hogwash them into believing it exists, rather it should be able to prove its own existence, isn't it?
This also shows how religions ridicule God and not atheist.

RESPONSE
You are right confused unbelievers and atheists both ridicule God.

Again, a perfect being should be above hate, anger, jealousy, grief and all, these disturbing emotions are all characteristics of mundane beings like us because it stems from our own emotional insecurity but if God is perfect it is impossible for such emotions to hold sway on it, it is impossible for it to operate within the confines of these emotions, But the religions are heaping on us God concepts that operate within the confines of such disturbing emotions as Anger, jealousy, hate and even bear grudges with humans and then wrap it under the guise of perfection and expect any right thinking human not to ask questions or refute such ideas! The very acknowledgment of these emotions in a supposedly perfect being kills the idea of perfection and portrays a very imperfect being or should i say concept.
This yet again is another way religions ridicule and insult their God concepts.

RESPONSE
It's far too vague and my explanation would take more time than I wish to use, help me by siting an example then I will enlighten you.

It is common knowledge for Christians and Muslims, to claim their holy books are all flawless and perfect without blemish and are the words of the supposedly perfect God who created the universe.
But just a look at the books it shows the skills of mundane men in every inch of it, it depicts the knowledge of ordinary men and claiming such to be from a perfect being ridicules and insults the very intellect of such entity because you would be sure a perfect being would do better.

RESPONSE
You fail to see that certain verses can easily seem contradictory if at face value, any human in attempt to confuse, control, scam or use another would be careful, after all you wouldn't want your readers to entertain an shred of doubt.
It suggests deeper prying and kills any human motive.

One cannot help but imagine how the very mythological historical antiquity of a certain set of people (which makes up almost 60% of the bible) is the word of a God, how?
Or the very misogynistic, chauvinistic, barbaric, blood drenched charges as seen in different verses of both the Quran and the Bible connotes a universal deity of a perfect status, That is also an insult to the very being these books claim to belong to.
And this yet again shows how religions insult and ridicule their own God concepts.

RESPONSE
These people were not selected at random or through sexist motives, they performed feats or atrocities and some can even be traced to our current times.Needless to say not every one could be recorded in the bible.

Another idea is the chosen race brouhaha, A perfect universal God would choose one people specially over others and you still tag it a universal concept? That is clearly the worst form of racism and such favouritism ideology betrays the very concept was invented by the very people it favours and loves more than others even to the extent of taking their side in wars against others (which allegedly he supposed to have created)think about it, this betrays a huge character flaw and a ridicule to the idea of a universal God and is sheer implausible.

RESPONSE
Even in bible ages there were unbelievers, how does God govern people who don't believe in him.His affinity to Israel doesn't betray his purpose, he set them aside and governed them so that when the nations saw how distinct they lived and thrives would in awe seek the Lord that was with them.

Most people in religions often think it is blasphemy to think or ask questions, in fact i have once thought like that. They are afraid to question God and the disturbing characters it is portrayed to have. As a matter of fact many times this fear effectively keeps most locked up in their respective religions because no one wants to be punished by a perfect but again JEALOUS God.

RESPONSE
Christianity doesn't lie in absence of questions,Christians don't know it all we just strive to know more.The bible entreats us to seek so that we may find, those who seek often, know more and in awe of the boundless knowledge the Lord has stored up for those who seek him they increase tremendously in faith.

Many would say: Why do atheist discuss God? It is quite simple, differences in ideologies creates room for healthy discussion, scrutiny of the idea. Atheist might lack belief in the God concepts but the stories are there, we have Hindu books to read brahma stories, bible to read yahweh stories, Quran to read Allah stories and many other deities out there just like we also have J.R.R Tolkien Lord of the rings book to read about Gandalf, one necessarily do not need to BELIEVE Gandalf is real before discussing Gandalf, The discussion is always a call to reason and a charge to allow your mind pour out their questions.

RESPONSE
Keep asking, we all were born blank then we learned.

Another would ask: Atheists are afraid of hell!
Lol. . this one is always funny, if an atheist is afraid of hell there is no way he would still be an atheist, not at all....In fact we see hell exactly the way we see children who thinks fairies are real its a very hilarious idea.

Again, this write up is not an attack on any religion either is it meant to insult any, it only remains a stimulus to independent reason, healthy questions unbound by fear. I hope none sees it as an attack to their religion. Man always have been a curious being, Man is not a robot that downloads every data you input into it, man should be able to weigh and compare, scrutinize and even criticize. . so do not be afraid to allow your questions cultivate.

Nothing in life is to be feared only understood, this is the time to understand more so we may fear less... Because a subtle thought in error can give rise to useful enquiry that can establish truth of great value

Buddha once said: Believe nothing, even if you heard it from me. unless it agrees with your own reason.

This shows you are supposed to subject every idea to judgement of your own independent reason. Let go of the fear because there is nothing to fear when using your own brain and judgment.... if i am to go on with ways religions ridicule their own God, i would write on forever but let me stop where i am now.[/b]

I wish I could spit an epistle to roundoff my comment but am tried, regardless am available to provide any more enlightenment.

krattoss:
the faith u were born with or the faith u were made or compelled to believe?

And no sh.t empahasised on believing any poo before u see.


Aint summarising anything. Dont be lazy.

"Seek and you shall find"
Seeking confines believing.
Atheist find it hard to believe why someone can supposedly believe God without asking any questions but I find it harder to believe why they don't ask why "nothing"(God) can captivate the hearts of soo many, as opposed to "science and evidence"(atheism)

Delusiongirl20:
Riddles?

What riddles?

johnydon22:
If i wanted a summary it wouldn't have been that long, if you can't read it then move on

So much for enlightenment.

Delusiongirl20:
You're right.

What was your inquiry.

johnydon22:
You can simply read it again and then think about it

'Again'( I didn't read it before,no offense, it's lengthy)
Try and summarize.

Delusiongirl20:
Why did those discrimination and interpretations exist at the first place?

Jesus preached the kingdom of God, everything else, miracles and whatnot was secondary to support this. Any church that doesn't deviate from this is "good to go" .

Or does it mean that God's hand is not in the inspiration of the bible. A perfect thing especially the issue of god should not have any misinterpretations, god gat to steer the affairs well so that each will understand the other.

God leaves affairs of men to themselves but those who seek the Lord's enlightenment in prayers can always be pointed in the right direction regardless how the systems of this world twist the scriptures.
He has left a check on his word, that it won't pass away not even until the end of time, atheist and unbelievers can be rest assured that should the center message about salvation be lost that would in itself be proof that God doesn't exist.

Delusiongirl20:
I don't know. Am confused.

Still your question gat nothing to do with commenting in a free for all forum

You are more than welcomed to ask, contribute and share opinion, even the bible entreats us to seek for it paves a way for us to find.
Also note that a Christian isn't somebody who doesn't have any questions at all, what matters most is sincere efforts to know.
Fire away am watching.

krattoss:
whatever

Do you have an idea the faith a Christian possess so that he/she can live right, inspite of living in a world, that teaches to see first before believing.

The day you find out is the day you will know why God places so much emphasis on believing before you see.

Am still waiting for a summary and then i will chip in my piece.

Delusiongirl20:
I know but that doesn't make sense, slave in the bible is even worse than the present days slavery which was abolished. Why not god said too, thou shall not enslave your fellow human as he commanded in other aspects of human life and interactions.

You are quoting satan in this issue of slavery. Kinda strawman argument. Open your eyes to reality and stop this complicitous attitude. Mentioning satan means nothing to me since i don't believe in imaginative fallacy. Though i have been saying such thing too when i was still a Christian, until i started reading some comments Nairaland that was directly opposing my believe as a Christian. The like of davien, johnydon22, menesheh, plaeton and so many others.

So tell me, what is your current "beef" with it all.Is it seer disbelieve in the existence of God or the scriptures or both.

krattoss:
aint good at summary.


Its better off if u read and then counter it by urself.


Marvisguy, i dare u

What a dilemma then.

krattoss:
I dare any religionist to counter this thread..



Them never born am.

Am here,I didn't read that so if you can summarize it.

joywendy:
I doubt if you are, 'cause if you did you won't have quoted the whole text to ask a very silly question (no offense). So redirect that question to yourself,are you sure you are using your brain?

You again?

joywendy:
And you just had to quote the whole thing to say that?

Simple: Stop being afraid to use your brain.

I use mine, are you sure you are using yours?

johnydon22:
[b]Before anybody shouts or plays the victims card here about their own religion, let everybody know that in this post when i say "God" i am not only referring to One deity but to many. Both the Muslim and christian concept will be referred together as God, this is a mind tickling thread and a charge for independent reason.

I have always seen Muslims here threaten a Christian with hell like "Repent and turn to God and his holy prophet Muhammed or burn in hell" Ironically Christians also accord the same favour to them like "You will burn in hell if you don't accept Jesus" and then funny enough both religions too regard atheists to be hell bound and also adherents of other religions.
You see, its not even about being a theist. they all still think you are going to hell either way as long as its not theirs. . Christians still think Muslims are going to hell just like atheist even though Muslims believe in a God and same thing goes the other way round.

Now looking at the idea of HELL, it is ok to point out the heavy influence of greek culture on the new testament. The old testament (Judaic Tenark) knows nothing like a HELL, but the influence of the greek underworld concept TARTARUS gave birth to sickening concept HELL when adopted by the newly emerged religion.

I once told a christian that was preaching to me "The very concept of a HELL, ridicules the idea of a God. It insults it and drags it to a level lower than a human"
One might be thinking my reason for saying this.

I have wooed many girls in my life and if i recall correctly i have never said to any of them "I love you, love me back or i hurt you" any sane mind will see that everything should be wrong in that statement.
The very idea of me hurting her if she doesn't love me back nullifies my confession of love for her.
Take another look at that statement, it is a blackmail and an abusive word. I have threatened her so it is a blackmail, if she doesn't love me back i will hurt her. It is a sheer blackmail giving her two nonsensical choices.

Now this is one of the reasons religious people do not know that they themselves ridicule their God concepts even more than atheists, We have seen everything wrong in the statement i presented above, but then again let us show the very large scaled way this is used.
God says "I love you, if you don't love me back i will burn you in hell forever" Am sure everyone can now see everything wrong in this, it is blackmail, it is blatant abuse and the very sadistic idea of punishing someone because they don't reciprocate your love reveals egoism at a chronic level, it is barbaric as well as it is repulsive and blatantly implausible. Yet they want us to swallow that a perfect being operates within such childish egoism and abusive ways.

Come to think of it, God should be perfect right? Yes Yes God is perfect. God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, He is even omniperfect.
This very idea of perfection is a flaw in the character people have heaped on their different God concepts. Let us see how.

God is perfect, perfection needs nothing. A circle needs nothing added to it to make it 360°. At 360° a circle is perfect and it is impossible to add even 1° and if you take away 1° and makes it 359° it ceases to be a circle.

So God is perfect, God needs nothing, you can never add anything to it neither can you take away, perfection is just perfection.
If this is the case and God is perfect, this surely means such being needs nothing like Worship, reverence, acknowledgement, praise and all these because it is just perfect.
If God is perfect it simply means that all the worship and reverence etc are useless because he doesn't need them, unless you assert it is not perfect then i will agree it needs them to feed his ego and so feel important.

But religions drag their God concept too low to a level that it needs worship and acknowledgement on daily basis, needs it real bad even threatens people with eternal torture if you fail to give it, this very quality betrays the idea of perfection and drags down the God concept to the state of Egoism, Narcissism, sadism and all round imperfect.....

"Believe i exist and i reward you, disbelieve and i will hurt you so bad forever in an eternal roasting fire" Can abuse and blackmail get any cheaper? You would agree with me an existent powerful and perfect being (if there is even need to) do not need people to be threatening others as to hogwash them into believing it exists, rather it should be able to prove its own existence, isn't it?
This also shows how religions ridicule God and not atheist.

Again, a perfect being should be above hate, anger, jealousy, grief and all, these disturbing emotions are all characteristics of mundane beings like us because it stems from our own emotional insecurity but if God is perfect it is impossible for such emotions to hold sway on it, it is impossible for it to operate within the confines of these emotions, But the religions are heaping on us God concepts that operate within the confines of such disturbing emotions as Anger, jealousy, hate and even bear grudges with humans and then wrap it under the guise of perfection and expect any right thinking human not to ask questions or refute such ideas! The very acknowledgment of these emotions in a supposedly perfect being kills the idea of perfection and portrays a very imperfect being or should i say concept.
This yet again is another way religions ridicule and insult their God concepts.

It is common knowledge for Christians and Muslims, to claim their holy books are all flawless and perfect without blemish and are the words of the supposedly perfect God who created the universe.
But just a look at the books it shows the skills of mundane men in every inch of it, it depicts the knowledge of ordinary men and claiming such to be from a perfect being ridicules and insults the very intellect of such entity because you would be sure a perfect being would do better.

One cannot help but imagine how the very mythological historical antiquity of a certain set of people (which makes up almost 60% of the bible) is the word of a God, how?
Or the very misogynistic, chauvinistic, barbaric, blood drenched charges as seen in different verses of both the Quran and the Bible connotes a universal deity of a perfect status, That is also an insult to the very being these books claim to belong to.
And this yet again shows how religions insult and ridicule their own God concepts.

Another idea is the chosen race brouhaha, A perfect universal God would choose one people specially over others and you still tag it a universal concept? That is clearly the worst form of racism and such favouritism ideology betrays the very concept was invented by the very people it favours and loves more than others even to the extent of taking their side in wars against others (which allegedly he supposed to have created)think about it, this betrays a huge character flaw and a ridicule to the idea of a universal God and is sheer implausible.

Most people in religions often think it is blasphemy to think or ask questions, in fact i have once thought like that. They are afraid to question God and the disturbing characters it is portrayed to have. As a matter of fact many times this fear effectively keeps most locked up in their respective religions because no one wants to be punished by a perfect but again JEALOUS God.

Many would say: Why do atheist discuss God? It is quite simple, differences in ideologies creates room for healthy discussion, scrutiny of the idea. Atheist might lack belief in the God concepts but the stories are there, we have Hindu books to read brahma stories, bible to read yahweh stories, Quran to read Allah stories and many other deities out there just like we also have J.R.R Tolkien Lord of the rings book to read about Gandalf, one necessarily do not need to BELIEVE Gandalf is real before discussing Gandalf, The discussion is always a call to reason and a charge to allow your mind pour out their questions.

Another would ask: Atheists are afraid of hell!
Lol. . this one is always funny, if an atheist is afraid of hell there is no way he would still be an atheist, not at all....In fact we see hell exactly the way we see children who thinks fairies are real its a very hilarious idea.

Again, this write up is not an attack on any religion either is it meant to insult any, it only remains a stimulus to independent reason, healthy questions unbound by fear. I hope none sees it as an attack to their religion. Man always have been a curious being, Man is not a robot that downloads every data you input into it, man should be able to weigh and compare, scrutinize and even criticize. . so do not be afraid to allow your questions cultivate.

Nothing in life is to be feared only understood, this is the time to understand more so we may fear less... Because a subtle thought in error can give rise to useful enquiry that can establish truth of great value

Buddha once said: Believe nothing, even if you heard it from me. unless it agrees with your own reason.

This shows you are supposed to subject every idea to judgement of your own independent reason. Let go of the fear because there is nothing to fear when using your own brain and judgment.... if i am to go on with ways religions ridicule their own God, i would write on forever but let me stop where i am now.[/b]

And your point being??

ronald4lif:
I don't know what you're on about but perhaps you need to be reminded that religion divisiveness and factions have spawned more war than any other dissension in the history of mankind.

Let's say you are right,
last I checked freethinkers and those you don't engage in "religious futility" were the ones who used their knowledge and time to create these weapons which were employed in these wars.

ronald4lif:
Church and religion are the most massive fraud that has ever befell mankind. For a better and productive society they must be expunge.

Yes expunge church, let's use our knowledge to create guns, nuclear weapons and kill each other instead.Is that about right?